Marjorie Taylor Greene EXPOSES AOC's REFUSAL To Work Together Against Israel! w/ Max Blumenthal

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Episode: Marjorie Taylor Greene EXPOSES AOC's REFUSAL To Work Together Against Israel! w/ Max Blumenthal
Date: May 13, 2026
Guests: Max Blumenthal

Overview

This episode centers on the fractious politics around US support for Israel in the wake of the Gaza conflict, highlighting the refusal of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) to work with Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG) on anti-Israel military funding measures. Through a fiery exchange between Jimmy Dore and guest Max Blumenthal, the show interrogates the limits of progressive politics, critiques the Democratic establishment, and contrasts AOC’s positioning with the willingness of figures like MTG and Ro Khanna to cross party lines for causes like ending foreign arms sales and unsealing the Epstein files. The hosts also discuss broader themes of imperialism, political branding, and the consequences for those who challenge (or uphold) party orthodoxy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AOC’s Refusal to Collaborate with MTG on Israel Aid ([02:14–07:46])

• Jimmy Dore introduces Frederick Douglass’ quote: “I will unite with anyone to do good, but with no one to do harm," and frames AOC’s reluctance to work with MTG as an abandonment of this principle.
• AOC's Statement (Clip): AOC, at a University of Chicago Institute of Politics event, says she refuses to work with MTG because she considers her “a proven bigot and anti-Semite" and doesn’t “trust someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene...on the issues of what is good for Gazans and Israelis." ([05:24])
  • Quote, AOC (05:24): "I personally do not trust someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene, a proven bigot and anti-Semite, on the issues of what is good for Gazans and Israelis."
• AOC further argues that “it does not benefit our movement...to align the left with white nationalists." ([06:28])
• Jimmy Dore slams AOC for using “white nationalist” as a propagandistic label and accuses her of posturing instead of seizing real opportunities to end the Gaza genocide.

2. Critique of AOC’s Political Positions and Identity Politics ([08:12–16:46])

• Max Blumenthal points out the inconsistency: AOC refuses to partner with MTG on sanctions against Israel but teamed up with Republicans like Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton on anti-China sanctions.
  • Quote, Blumenthal (08:36): "Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton are blood-soaked neoconservative maniacs who seek a hot war with China. And AOC joined them...It exposes the logic of who is unacceptable and who is deplorable."
• Blumenthal criticizes AOC’s discomfort with calling Israel’s actions “genocide,” attributing it to political ambition and fear of Democratic Party leadership rather than conviction. He recalls activists needing to “pull teeth” to extract a “genocide” statement from her ([10:30–11:42]).
• Blumenthal draws a stark contrast:
  • Quote, Blumenthal (15:00): “Marjorie Taylor Greene went against Donald Trump and gave up her career as a star of MAGA. For real principles: the Epstein files, Palestine, Ukraine...AOC, meanwhile, was on stage at the Democratic National Committee claiming Kamala Harris was working tirelessly for a ceasefire. She never went against her party.”

3. Comparisons: Political Bravery and Careerism ([17:03–19:10])

• MTG & Ro Khanna Example: MTG appears on CNN with Ro Khanna, discussing their ability to work across the aisle on issues like Epstein files and US foreign wars ([17:03]).
  • Quote, MTG (17:03): “Ro Khanna and I...are willing to say that the current center of right and left...have failed Americans...We recognize how for the left and the right to come together and find issues that we can work together on.”
• Dore and Blumenthal highlight Ro Khanna’s willingness, contrasted with AOC’s refusal, to collaborate outside ideological lines for meaningful policy changes.
• MTG on AOC’s vote against her amendment: “AOC refused to vote for my amendment to strip funding for Israel. She can run her mouth all she wants, but votes are the only thing that matter, not a bunch of words and nasty name calling.” ([18:56])

4. Notable Journalist Critiques ([19:10–21:59])

• Ryan Grim (friend of the show): Praises MTG’s sacrifice and willingness to take on the powerful for causes like Palestinian rights and the Epstein files.
• Glenn Greenwald: Detailed thread breaking down AOC’s hypocrisy and political posturing:
  • AOC rails against GOP policies but is deferential when Democrats do the same.
  • MTG “criticizes policies with equal fervor, regardless of which party does them...AOC is the embodiment of privilege, having no real urgency about stopping things that don’t personally affect her.”
  • Quote, Greenwald (paraphrased by Dore, 21:20): “Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced a bill to cut all US financing of Israel’s military. AOC voted no, arguing Americans should pay for Israel’s defensive weapons. Big substantive difference there.”

5. Max Blumenthal on the Future of Democratic Branding ([21:59–28:27])

• Blumenthal analyzes AOC’s calculated positioning, arguing she is a brand and “an empty vessel for calculating political strategists.”
  • Her recent moves (e.g., signing a letter on Israel’s nuclear program secrets) are “calculated” not principled, aimed at supplanting Pelosi’s old establishment with a new, more progressive—but still imperial—facade ([22:30–24:00]).
• AOC’s actions at foreign policy summits (e.g., Munich Security Conference) reveal her inability or unwillingness to take strong stances against US militarism, especially toward China and Russia.
  • Quote, Blumenthal (25:33): “That’s a pretty easy question to ask: ‘Do you want a direct military confrontation with China?’ And she didn’t know what to say. She’s going to ultimately take the position that the US needs to continue the status quo of Cold War with China.”

6. The Role of Political Strategists & Establishment Capture ([26:07–28:27])

• Matt Duss and Mike Casca: Blumenthal describes AOC’s chief strategists—figures like Matt Duss and Mike Casca—who keep her careerist ambitions aligned with establishment foreign policy consensus, predicting that AOC will either “become a source of embarrassment and discredit the progressive left” or “sheepdog angry youth back into the Democratic party.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• AOC on partnering with MTG:

  "I care about results. Now there are certain places where...I personally do not trust someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene, a proven bigot and anti-Semite, on the issues of what is good for Gazans and Israelis."
  —AOC, (05:24)

• Jimmy Dore on AOC's rhetoric:

  "Anybody who uses the term white nationalists is a psyop trying to propagandize. Just stop with that bullshit."
  —Jimmy Dore, (06:40)

• Max Blumenthal on coalition-building hypocrisy:

  "She did team up with Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton to call for more sanctions on China...it exposes the logic of who is unacceptable."
  —Max Blumenthal, (08:36)

• MTG on bipartisan action:

  "Ro Khanna and I...recognize how for the left and the right to come together and find issues that we can work together on...foreign governments, Epstein files."
  —Marjorie Taylor Greene, (17:03)

• Glenn Greenwald (as read by Dore) on AOC’s partisanship:

  “AOC condemns policies only when Trump and the GOP do them, gets muted and deferential when Democrats do it...AOC only cares about posturing and her political branding, not outcomes.”
  (19:30–21:30 paraphrased)

• Max Blumenthal on AOC’s careerism:

  “AOC is not...an authentic person. She is a better vessel for the agenda of someone like Matt Duss who wants to keep guardrails around issues like Russia, China, making sure the U.S. is confronting all of these so-called authoritarian states while being more supportive of ending the occupation of Palestine.”
  —Max Blumenthal, (26:07)

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Important Timestamps

• AOC at Univ. of Chicago event and response: [05:24–07:46]
• Dore/Blumenthal breakdown of identity politics and coalitions: [08:12–16:46]
• MTG and Ro Khanna bipartisan clip: [17:03–18:31]
• Marjorie Taylor Greene and Glenn Greenwald analysis: [18:56–21:59]
• Blumenthal’s analysis of AOC’s branding and foreign policy: [21:59–28:27]

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Podcast Tone & Dynamics

• Tone: Outrage-driven, irreverent, confrontational; blends hard-hitting political critique with comedic flourishes and sharp sarcasm.
• Dore’s Style: Profane, passionate, abrasive towards political hypocrisy, especially among progressive Democrats.
• Blumenthal: Analytical, deeply critical of establishment consensus, sharp on policy inconsistencies.

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Conclusion

The episode is a scathing critique of the “progressive” Democratic strategy on Israel, foreign policy, and coalitional politics. Dore and Blumenthal argue that AOC has become more concerned with political branding and establishment advancement than principle or solidarity on anti-imperialist issues, especially in contrast with MTG’s willingness to buck her own party for controversial causes. Throughout, the show underlines the dangers of identity politics being used as a shield for imperial consensus and party orthodoxy, warning that such careerist maneuvering may ultimately betray grassroots movements.

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Transcript

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[Max Blumenthal]

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[Show Host]

our guest that was Max Blumenthal. Max Blumenthal is an award winning journalist as well as the editor in chief and founder of the independent investigative news website the Great Zone. He's also the best selling author of several books including Goliath, the 50 Day War, 51 Day War and the Management of Savagery. Max Blumenthal, thank you for accommodating my schedule as always. You're always so kind and we always appreciate your insight and expertise. Thanks for joining us once again, my good friend Max Blumenthal.

[Max Blumenthal]

Thank you judge. And you got to work on the Jersey accent a little. Got the gravelly voice down though.

[Jimmy Dore]

And tell my friend Aaron Matt I said hello.

[Max Blumenthal]

I will.

[Jimmy Dore]

I miss him. He he, he. We don't talk anymore, but I miss him. I wanted show you this. This is, this is the my favorite quote. I have a T shirt with this quote on it that that is available for sale it says, I will unite with anyone to do good, but with no one to do harm. Frederick Douglass said that. Why do I show you that? Because AOC did this. AOC will not join with someone to do good. You want to hear what she said? Doesn't sound like the ruckus. Here we go. By the way, do you know where she is, Max, saying this? No. She's at some kind of David Axelrod. It's in Chicago.

[Max Blumenthal]

Oh, yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

Some Challenges and opportunities conference. Yes. So it's a. It's her trying to shore up her base so she could run for president. She wants all the Democrats to love her, so she's an establishment as it comes. Just so you know, she never challenged power, ever. And now the people who do challenge power, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, she tries to take a dump on and. Because I want to. I'll show you this. During a May 8 talk, Ocasio Court said she dismissed partnering with Marjorie Taylor Greene, who in 2025 proposed stripping $500 million from Israel's Iron Dome. Marjorie Taylor Greene did not that aoc. A measure that failed, with Ocasio Cortez voting against that. She voted against taking the $500 million away from Israel's Iron Dome. She argued on. So. So she. She argued on Twitter that it ignored offensive weapons amid her calls for an arms embargo. While Greene countered that votes revealed true stances. The exchange fueled left wing divides and some praising Greene's resignation over Israel aid and Epstein files. Others defending Ocasio Cortez against claims of inconsistency, highlighting tensions and efforts to curb over $18 billion in US aid to Israel since October 2023. Okay, so of course AOC refuses to do anything that would actually be good for humanity. And she stands firmly on the principle that she has no principles. And here she is at a. Here she is at an establishment Democrat. I don't know.

[Max Blumenthal]

Okay. The Institute of Politics is the sponsor. That's like. I think that's Harvard.

[Jimmy Dore]

No kidding. No. This is in Chicago, maybe. Who knows? Yeah.

[Max Blumenthal]

No, it's the University of Chicago Institute of Politics.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, there you go.

[Max Blumenthal]

Yeah, it is very establishment. They're at Rockefeller Memorial Chapel.

[Jimmy Dore]

I mean, so let's listen to her, Max, and then. And then we'll get you what you want to say something.

[Max Blumenthal]

You know, it's Obama. It's. It's. It's. It's very much catering to Obama here.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's what this is. Let's watch.

[AOC Clip / Narrator]

You know, and I don't. I care about results. I care about results. Now there are certain places where, certain areas where I don't think that we should ignore some folks record on some of these issues. Right. It's about where we trust intent, where we trust where those outcomes are going. I personally do not trust someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene, a proven bigot and anti Semite, on the issues of what is good for Gazans and Israelis.

[Jimmy Dore]

By the way, first there she is completely parroting Benjamin Netanyahu's talking points, AIPAC's talking points, calling people bigots and anti Semites. And they're not Gazans, they're called Palestinians and they're from Palestine, which is where the Israelis stole the land from the Palestinians, not the Gazans. Okay, a little bit more.

[AOC Clip / Narrator]

I don't, I don't, I don't think that it benefits our movement in that instance to align the left with white nationalists. I don't think it serves us.

[Jimmy Dore]

Anybody who uses the term white nationalists is a psyop trying to propagandize. You just, just, just stop with that bullshit and that. But she can't.

[AOC Clip / Narrator]

So I think it's about looking at the context, the place, the results, the outcomes, intentions, and where we think that train would go. But as far as what someone says about me, I could care less.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh really? Because you accused me when I held you feet to the fire to do what you campaigned on. You said I was committing violence against you with my words. So you care.

[AOC Clip / Narrator]

You know, I think it's really about what our outcomes are. And to be honest, there are some areas where things will not get done if they're partisan because they are anti establishment. There is bipartisan consensus on keeping and protecting stock trading in Congress. And so it's going to require a massive bipartisan consensus of people willing to come together across those differences to get it done.

[Jimmy Dore]

So she's willing to work with white nationalists, bigots and anti Semites to stop stock trade insider training in Congo, but not to stop the genocide of Gazans in Palestine. Isn't that kind of funny? By the way, you know, AOC is not a bigot. She doesn't hate the Palestinians any more than she cares about them. She can't afford to have an opinion on her climb to the middle of politics. Go ahead, Max, say what you want to say about that.

[Max Blumenthal]

Well, I pointed out that, you know, she talks about, it's about the result

[Jimmy Dore]

and well, here, you know, I think I have it. I think I have, do I have. Here it is. You say AOC will not team up with Marjorie Taylor Greene to sanction Israel because of identity politics. But she did team up with Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton to call for more sanctions on China.

[Max Blumenthal]

Yeah, so I mean the, she obviously would agree with the end result that Marjorie Taylor Greene wants on Palestine. Like, I don't think that, that AOC is necessarily anti Palestinian. But then here you have the result of a coalition with other Republicans who I would argue are far more harmful than Marjorie Taylor Greene at her worst. When Marjorie Taylor Green first entered Congress as ultra maga and was harassing supporters of Palestine in the halls and, you know, called anti Zionist Jews who staged a protest against the Gaza genocide, she called them insurrectionists. She took some positions I thought were horrible, but on a purely objective basis, Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton are blood soaked neoconservative maniacs who are seeking to ramp up not just a new cold war with China, but they seek a hot war with China. And, and AOC joined them in a coalition with pro war Democrats. After she came into Congress. She would today probably say, oh, that was a mistake. I wouldn't do that again. I don't actually know what she thinks about that, but it really explodes the lie or it exposes the logic of who is unacceptable and who is deplorable. And she takes the establishment view of who's deplorable and who's acceptable. And to her, it, it was, you know, it wasn't even controversial to team up with Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton, the aoc, As I said, I don't think she's anti Palestinian. However, she made some comments there where she spoke about our movement. Okay, what? I don't know what movement she's speaking about, but she's actually not part of any movement. She is part of the Democratic Party. And ever since she embraced Nancy Pelosi as mama bear. As Pelosi stroked her vanity, AOC became separate from any grassroots movement. And after the Gaza genocide unfolded in the most ghastly ways possible. And we were watching videos of children being buried in funeral shrouds in groups of 10, 20 parents trying to grip, trying to shovel their children out of rubble with their bare hands from homes. The most horrific footage we'd ever seen. And Israeli leadership declared their absolute intention to commit genocide against the human animals and to cause a famine which eventually came to pass. AOC refused to call it a genocide. It was like pulling teeth to get her to call it a genocide. And she was actually, she actually had to be confronted by activists from our movement, from the actual movement, in public, along with her boyfriend. And she started screaming at them initially and Was completely offended because she does care what people say about her, especially if they come at her from the left. And then she finally sort of called it genocide in a throwaway remark. And so. And then. And was attacked.

[Tony Heller]

It was.

[Max Blumenthal]

Why wasn't she calling it a genocide? Was it because she actually didn't believe it was a genocide? Well, we don't really know what she believes. I think it's pretty obvious. She didn't call it a genocide because she was concerned about what Democratic Party leadership would call it because she ultimately wanted to run for higher office. Senate, governor, president. Looks like she has her eyes on the presidency. I'll talk about that in a second. But here's just one other point I wanted to make, which is about Marjorie Taylor Greene vs AOC. Marjorie Taylor Greene has taken positions in the past that were offensive to many progressive Democrats. We have to just objectively acknowledge that there was like, some tussle she had with Cori Bush. I don't know who was right or wrong, although it seems like actually it was Cori Bush's people telling her to take to, like, wear a mask in the halls of Congress. But. And she was, you know, calling to censor Rashida Tlaib early on in the genocide and joining in the pylon on the only Palestinian member of Congress. These are like allies of AOC in the squad. So obviously AOC has this problem with Marjorie Taylor Greene going back to that. But I think Marjorie Taylor Greene would be willing to say she was wrong on those things, whereas AOC wouldn't. She's taken such a maximalist and insulting, personally insulting position against Marjorie Taylor Greene. She could. She can never walk that. Back then, Marjorie Taylor Greene had the courage to go against her own party and against the most powerful figure in the Republican Party of our lifetime, someone who completely controls the entire Republican Party. No matter how unpopular the House Republicans get, they do whatever Donald Trump wants. And Marjorie Taylor Greene went against Donald Trump and gave up her career as a star of maga. Four Real Principles, the Epstein Files. Palestine, Ukraine, something which AOC supported. She deserves respect for that. Where was AOC when the Democrats Biden and Kamala Harris were carrying out the holocaust of our time in the Gaza Strip? Where was she? She was on stage at the Democratic National Committee claiming that Kamala Harris was working tirelessly for a ceasefire. That was the line that AOC kept repeating. And by the way, she always referred to Palestinians as Gazans in those speeches because she had those consultants behind her who don't want to acknowledge the existence in Palestine. Kamala Harris was not working tirelessly for a ceasefire. Anyone who was involved in the negotiations in Doha could tell you Kamala Harris wasn't even involved and there was no movement at all for a ceasefire. In fact, Tony Blinken, who was running the show for Biden, as he was deep in the throes of dementia, was lying and claiming that Hamas was the problem. And then Netanyahu had agreed to a ceasefire, when in fact Hamas had agreed to a ceasefire proposal in early May of 2024, which was completely written by the Israelis, shocking everyone. And then the Israelis backed away and committed a series of massacres and Blinken blamed Hamas. So the entire Biden administration was working tirelessly against a ceasefire and AOC was working to guard their left flank against the movement that was protesting outside the Democratic Convention and preventing even a single Palestinian from speaking on stage lying about that. She never went against her party, nor did any of the big, I don't remember any of the big, like Democrat oriented, like progressive DSA podcasters going against the Democratic Party at that time on the genocide, the way Tucker Carlson has. Tucker Carlson has completely destroyed all of his. He, he cut off his line to the White House where he could just walk right in and talk to Trump. That's all over because of his principled stand on Palestine and the Iran war. And where has AOC been on the Iran war? Very quiet. Very quiet. So I think whether, what, whatever your politics are, let's just take identity politics out of it for a second. Like, I probably would line up more with AOC on issues of like civil rights or immigration or something, but let's take it out that out of it and talk about like the most substantial issue today, which is imperialism. Marjorie Taylor Greene has taken a much more principled stance and she has given up everything, her congressional career and any chance of higher office. She could have run for Senate in Georgia with Trump's blessing for that. And what has AOC done? She's demonstrated very little principle on this issue. Protected the actual architects of genocide from her own party in order for herself to reach the pinnacle of her career, which is actually a fantasy, by maybe winning a few Democratic primaries.

[Jimmy Dore]

So here is Marjorie Taylor Greene showing you that she is willing to work across the aisle with a very lefty congressman. As far as congressmen go, he's not a real lefty. But here she is on CNN just the other day talking with Ro Khanna.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

You know, here I want to talk tonight about the reason why we're having this discussion. Is Ro Khanna And I both are willing to say that the current center of right and left that have been coming together for decades have failed Americans. And Roe and I, just, like he said, we're completely different. I'm unapologetically pro life. I'm against the trans agenda on children. I'm against the Green New Deal. I'm for very secure borders and a strong economy and a smaller government. But the current center, right and left, that coalition in America, have got us in $40 trillion in death and debt, have funded foreign war after foreign war, after foreign war, and now funding another one. And they will be. And how. We don't know how long this will go. And it's gotten to a point where Americans can't afford life. Caitlin. And so Roe and I, we exchanged comments on social media saying that we recognize how for the left and the right to come together and find issues that we can work together on. But Roe and I did that on the Epstein files, and it was incredibly important. And there's also issues such as funding foreign governments that we share that in common and we know this is that Americans are going in. So I think this is an important conversation worth having.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there's Marjorie Taylor Greene and Ro Khanna. Ro Khanna is willing to work with Marjorie Taylor Greene. I thought she's a white nationalist. I thought it doesn't help our cause. Here's what Marjorie Taylor Greene said. AOC refused to vote for my amendment to strip funding for Israel. She can run her mouth all she wants, but votes are the only thing that matter, not a bunch of words and nasty name calling.

[Max Blumenthal]

And, and, and before that, AOC voted present on another vote to send weapons to Israel framed as defensive weapons, which they're not. So it wasn't the first time she did that.

[Jimmy Dore]

And here's a friend of the show, Ryan Grimm. He says Marjorie Taylor Greene sacrificed her political career to stand against genocide, against Trump, against the Epstein class, and to defend the survival of Epstein's trafficking and defend the survivors of Epstein's trafficking. If that doesn't earn credibility, I don't know what possibly could. And here's Glenn Greenwald breaks it down. What's wrong with AOC in this moment? He says AOC is right that there are important differences between her and Marjorie Taylor Greene. AOC emphatically condemns policies only when Trump and the GOP do them, gets muted and deferential when Democrats do it, because, by contrast, Marjorie Taylor Greene criticizes policies with equal fervor, regardless of which party does them. Marjorie Taylor Greene condemns Gop leaders when they betray their purported values, even risking her political career to do so. By contrast, AOC lies to protect Democrats who betray their supposed values. Kamala is working tirelessly for a ceasefire in Gaza that has supreme devotion to partisan advancement and self interest above all. Number three. Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced a bill to cut all US financing of Israel's military. AOC voted no, arguing Americans should pay for Israel's defensive weapons. Big substantive difference there. Number four. Marjorie Taylor Greene scorns the AIPAC ADL tactic of accusing Israel critics of being racist and anti Semitic. AOC embraces and fortifies that accusatory smear campaign to justify why only liberal critics like her are compassionate and legitimate and everyone else is just racist. Number five. Marjorie Taylor Greene cares about results and outcomes and will thus work with anyone, left or right, to stop a policy she considers evil and wrong. AOC only cares about posturing and her political branding, not outcomes, and will thus reject the opportunity to form majorities to stop some policy evil, even if it means admitting that not only Dems have good ideas and and can be good people. AOC is the embodiment of privilege, having no real urgency about stopping things that don't personally affect her, like Israel wars or US financing them. That's why she has harsher words for GOP critics of Israel than she does for Democratic supporters of Israel. This and more is why Marjorie Taylor Greene was pushed out of her own party, while AOC has fully morphed into Nancy Pelosi Jr. And is one of the Democratic Party's most valuable partisan tools and, and why she's beloved by Democrats as such. That's. Any, Any comment on that, Max?

[Max Blumenthal]

Yeah, I think that's like 98, 99% of what I. I like how I see it. I would say she. AOC has not fully morphed into Nancy Pelosi. She recently signed the letter with 39 House Democrats calling for transparency on Israel's nuclear secret nuclear program. That's a calculated position she's taking. AOC's rise, to the extent that she's rising represents a recognition that Nancy Pelosi represents the politics of yesterday, which is also the politics of AIPAC. I mean, AOC's former chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabati, who's running for Congress out of San Francisco. You know, I was just out there and there were flyers all over the place, and he's campaigning as someone who doesn't take any money from aipac, by the way, she's refused to endorse him for some reason. That I don't know. But it's like you're going to start seeing all these Democrats campaigning against aipac. But don't totally. We shouldn't believe the hype. Palestine isn't the is. Is. Is not an issue about human rights alone. It's an issue about imperialism. And as Glenn Greenwald said, the most important issue that challenges your principles is imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism, which is affecting Americans so negatively through the Iran war that we are losing hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth among the American public while crony oligarchs are earning billions through insider trading and all sorts of other schemes. AOC is not calling this out. She's not prioritizing it. She's running a calculated ploy. She is herself a brand. She is an empty vessel for calculating political strategists who, who actually want to supplant Nancy Pelosi with something else. And they're actually going to exploit Palestine to win over younger people while preserving imperialism in order to preserve imperialism. And that means preserving the proxy wars, the ability for the US to attack what James Mattis called in his defense strategy revisionist powers, Russia and China. Another figure who represents this very cynical ploy is Kat Abu Ghuzala from Chicago, who you, I'm sure, critiqued on this show. And she's in favor of sending weapons to Taiwan. She's a big cheerleader for the Ukraine proxy war, and she's also for boycotting Israel. And, you know, she speaks, She's. She's. She poses as this radical podcaster with anti. With like, you know, Cuffia behind her, but she's also a cheerleader for the war machine. As a progressive Democrat, this is what I think. This is the model of the future. And remember, before AOC went to the Institute of Politics to appeal to the Obamacrats in Hyde park, where Obama came from, where he's just erected this giant Sauron, like tribute to himself, destroying a forest. The Obama Presidential Library. Before she did that, she went to the Munich Security Conference. Remember that?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yep.

[Max Blumenthal]

And she was asked about Taiwan. They, they said, do you favor sending weapons to Taiwan? Should U. S. No U.S. troops to Taiwan? Should the U.S. put boots on the ground and fight China directly if China attempts to take Taiwan? And she couldn't answer the question.

[Jimmy Dore]

Couldn't answer it.

[Max Blumenthal]

That's a pretty easy question to ask. It's like, do you want a direct military confrontation with China or not? And she didn't know what to say because she's going to ultimately take the position that the US Needs to continue the status quo of Cold War with China and a proxy war with Russia, which could very well soon expand. Trust me, if she runs for president, that's going to be her platform. And the man behind that all is Matt Duss. Matt Duss came from Bernie, but Bernie was sort of his own man.

[Jimmy Dore]

He came from the center for American

[Max Blumenthal]

Progress, which is American center for American Progress. Yeah, a, you know, podesta think tank backed by industry was getting pro Israel. I mean, all the dissenters on the Iran war who were writing for Think Progress, their blog, were all ejected under pressure from the Israel lobby. All fired. Except Matt D. And Matt Dust goes on, goes to Bernie's campaign, ensures that, you know, it's anti Russian and anti Chinese, while, you know, mildly supportive of Palestinian liberation or at least like a Palestinian state. But again, Bernie kind of is his own guy. He's. Whatever you want to say about him, he's hugely disappointing, but he's an authentic person. AOC is not. So she's a better vessel for the agenda of someone like Matt Duss who really wants to keep guardrails around issues like Russia, China, making sure the US is confronting all of these so called authoritarian states while being more supportive of ending the occupation of Palestine. And then her chief of staff is named Mike Casca. And I've heard this from people I talked to on the Hill, he, he really believes that he can be the chief of staff in a White House under AOC in the near future. And they are fueling her ambitions. And she's in this constant defensive mode where, you know, she's, she's, she's young, she doesn't have that much experience in politics. Kind of came out of nowhere. And she's being pushed to actually run for president. There isn't a whole lot of time for her to pause and think about what she actually believes in. And they're taking advantage of that with aspirations of their own. And I think a real train wreck is coming one way or another. She talked about the train, I'm talking about the train wreck. And it's either her being becoming a source of embarrassment and discrediting the progressive left on the campaign trail if she runs, or her sheepdogging all of these well meaning, young and very angry and betrayed people back into the Democratic Party if she succeeds. Either way, it's a mess.

[Show Host]

Max, I appreciate you accommodating our schedule and I appreciate all the time you spent your great insight. As always, Max, you're spot on as, as usual. You're a great man and a great friend to this show and I really appreciate you keeping us on your schedule.

[Max Blumenthal]

Thank you Judge. And you're so much warmer than Jimmy Dore when you greet me inside you.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to jimmy dork.com clicking on join premium. It's the most affordable premium program in the business and it's a great way to help put your thumb back in the eye of the bastards. Thanks for everybody who was already a premium member and if you haven't, you're missing out. We give you lots of bonus content. Thanks for your support. We've got one of our favorite guests, Tony Heller, environmentalist, geologist with a BS in geology from Arizona State University. He's an electrical engineer teacher. He testified at his first congressional hearing in support of wilderness in 1972 and has had a broad and successful career in science, education, environment and engineering. He analyzes climate science claims and is the founder of RealClimateScience.com welcome back to the show, Mr. Tony Heller. Hey, Tony.

[Tony Heller]

Hey Jimmy. Good to be here.

[Jimmy Dore]

Now, the reason why I had you on is because I came across this story and let me it's this is from the International Panel on Climate Change. According to Toby Young, they have essentially just admitted that all the climate scare stories of the past 20 years are junk. Turns out the alarmist forecasts that led to mass climate psychosis are implausible. Let's listen.

[Toby Young]

The IPCC has turned around and said basically everything written in the last 20 years is junk. This is like a sort of bunker bomb trail. This is huge because it's difficult to underestimate what's happened here. It's rendered most mainstream media stories and headlines on catastrophic climate change junk, fake over the last 20 years. And that has driven, of course, children are going to bed crying. It's driven King Charles to make all sorts of ridiculous announcements. David Attenborough as well. It's induced mass climate psychosis from all of the headlines that you see in mainstream media, all junk.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there's a whole podcast on it over at the Daily at over at the Skeptic. But I asked Grok if this was true, if what that guy is saying about the IPCC is true. And this is what Grok said. The tweet refers to a real development, the IPCC link scenario. Developers have officially labeled the Most extreme high end ambitious pathway as implausible for the 21st century. What actually happened? A paper in Geoscientific Model Development for the next round of IPC modeling states on the high end of the range. The CMIP6 high emission levels quantified by SSP5.8.5 have become implausible based on trends in the costs of renewables, the emergence of climate policy and recent emissions trends. This is a notable admission. RCP85, SSP5.5.5 assumed massive continued coal expansion and was often presented or implied in media studies and policy as business as usual or likely outcome. It produced the most apocalyptic projections of 4 degrees Celsius warming by 2100. Extreme impacts that fueled many scare stories over the past 15 years. Critics like Roger Pelke Jr. Have long called this out. Many climate impact papers and headlines relied on this unrealistic scenario, dropping it as implausible in a correction, not a full IPC admission that climate change is fake. The IPP has used a range of scenarios. Extreme ones were overused, but not the only ones. Mainstream climate science still expects. Humans cause the bottom line. Toby Young, the Daily Skeptic are right that many extreme media panic stories from the last 20 years were based on unrealistic assumptions and now officially undermined. So what they're saying, way I read this, Tony, you tell me how you read it, is that the Al Gores of the world, every newspaper, every establishment newspaper or news outlet has been hyping a fake scare scenario. How do you read it?

[Tony Heller]

Well, yeah, absolutely. And the whole climate thing since James Hansen started for Congress in 1988 has been driven by that same thing, wildly exaggerated scenarios. There's lots of money, lots of people interested in obtaining power from this. So they create these completely fictional or just wildly exaggerated stories and propagate them over and over again. James Hansen was NASA's leading expert in 1988. He predicted that lower Manhattan would be underwater in 30 years, which would have been 2018. I don't think that happened. But these sort of scare stories have driven the whole thing since day one.

[Jimmy Dore]

Since day one?

[Tony Heller]

Yeah, actually before. Really? Stephen Schneider was one of the guys who started this back in the 1970s. He actually wrote, he was published in a prominent article that they should exaggerate, they should say things which they don't really know for sure because they need to get the public's attention about this. So that's been the attitude all along. We know we're going to be right. Things are going to get really bad. So we need to tell These wild scare stories to get people afraid and do something about them.

[Jimmy Dore]

So what, what do you, so what do you think the impact of all this will be? This, I, this is a, this is like a groundbreaking, earth shattering of the narrative that we've heard. Now, recently, Bill Gates came out and he told people, yeah, don't worry so much about climate change, that there will be some effects of climate change, but it's not gonna be what people have been saying. So he's kind of, actually, in a weird way, Bill Gates has been kind of out in front on this because I think he has nefarious reasons for pooh, poohing climate change. But anyway, that one of the biggest scaremongers around was Bill Gates. And now he's flipped and now the IPC is admitting that it's not as scary as everybody met. What does this mean for this climate change movement, do you think?

[Tony Heller]

Well, the climate change movement has definitely been dying since President Trump took office. He's defunded everything. So there hasn't been, there isn't much money in it anymore. But the danger we've got right now is with this terrible drought and water shortage we're having in the western US Is that it's going to come back again in a few months. They're going to start pointing the finger. They're going to say Trump cut all of our programs, all of our, and now we're having this horrible drought and heat wave as a result of direct results of his actions. So I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole thing come back again in a few months.

[Jimmy Dore]

So when you say you're talking about the movement, you're talking about the climate change scaremongering, you think it's going to come back in just a few months?

[Tony Heller]

Oh, yeah, probably. I mean, Trump took a lot of actions, like shutting down the national center for Atmospheric research, eliminating the CO2 endangerment finding, and then we're having a really bad climate event right now in the western US with this heat wave and drought. They're going to blame it on Trump. They're going to say he caused this by shutting down ncar. He caused this by eliminating, by cutting back funding for climate research. And I fully expect that to happen in the next few months.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so, and so what is the real reason for this drought that's happening right now? There's been a very low snowpack in Colorado, which, as everybody should know, that the snowpack is responsible for the Colorado river, which brings water to everybody in the west and places like Las Vegas and beyond what, what is, what is that? What's the real cause of that?

[Tony Heller]

You know, I wish I knew, Jimmy. I've heard a number of different theories related to El Nino and so, but I haven't heard anything convincing. I don't know anyone who predicted this heat wave and drought we had in the west this year. And so I'm not inclined to believe anyone's theories about what caused it or when it's going to go away. But hopefully the big El Nino that's developing this for the next winter will improve the situation. But we've got a very serious problem right now and I'm certain that climate alarmists are going to attempt to take advantage of it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Now, I live in Los Angeles where two out of the last four winters we've had record rains.

[Tony Heller]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

Are you aware of that?

[Tony Heller]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

And in 2016, the voters in California approved a proposition that would give 6 to $8 billion for the state of California to build more reservoirs to capture that water when it falls. Because we're, you know, Los Angeles in the desert, but we're getting all these. And then, so then they didn't build them that not even one brick has been laid. Nothing has happened even though now it's been 10 years since the people of California voted for bill 8 billion, 6 to 8 billion dollars to be used to create reservoirs. And we don't. So when it rained the last time was last year it was raining record ranks. And then the year, two years, two years before that record rains, they had to open up the reservoirs and, and let that water go into the ocean so they're not even capturing. So when something like this happens, we could have reservoirs of water. But now we don't have those reservoirs because of, is it, do you think it's planned that they don't want to have reservoirs so they could continue this climate change scary mongering narratives.

[Tony Heller]

Well, you know, California was lucky this year. You know, they had a lot of precipitation which they didn't get east of the Sierra Nevada. But it wouldn't, wouldn't do the Colorado river community any good anyway because all of the drainage from the Sierra Nevada goes west to the Pacific Ocean. So like in the Imperial Valley where they grow like 90% of the United States winter vegetable crop, they depend completely on Colorado river water because they don't currently isn't any mechanism to move water from, you know, the western side over to the Imperial Valley or to Yuma, Arizona where the lettuce is grown. So yeah, California, the California situation is, is another really Interesting story, but it's actually kind of unrelated to what's going on along the Colorado River.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do, do you have any. Do you. Do you think that the governments, the state governments, the federal governments will actually have a plan for this, or is it just going to become some kind of waterless hellscape?

[Tony Heller]

Well, the problem they've got is that the amount of water that's being used on the Colorado river, which is mostly by agriculture, has far exceeded what falls every year for a long time. Lake Powell was very wet during the 1980s, and Lake Powell filled up. And so the western growth in the western US has been based on taking water out of Lake Powell, which was stored 40 years ago. But now that that's pretty much gone, we're not able to do that anymore. And now they're going to have to come up with a way to reduce water consumption in the west to a maintainable level. And we're likely to see wars between the cities and the farmers as a result of this.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. Yeah. Who do you think will win those wars?

[Tony Heller]

Well, I would assume that the cities will win because they can't. They can't relocate, you know, all of the 8 million people who live in Phoenix and Las Vegas. But what. They can. But it might be possible to obtain food, winter vegetables from another location, like from Central or South America. But the people. You can't move Phoenix, you can't move Las Vegas. So it seems inevitable that the cities are going to win.

[Jimmy Dore]

So tell me about this El Nino. Do you think this. Tell me about what. What is an El Nino? How is it forming? And what do you. What would be the best case scenario for it?

[Tony Heller]

Well, El Nino is a thing which happens every few years, get very warm water in the central Pacific Ocean around the equator. And what it tends to do is it creates terrible droughts in Asia, but in the United States, it makes the Southwest wet and the Southeast wet. And I mean, often we had a very big. We had a big el Nino in 2023, and Lake Powell recovered quite a bit. In 1983, there was a huge El Nino and Lake Powell filled up. So the hope is that the El Nino building El Nino will do something similar and, and we'll see a restoration of the lakes on the Colorado River. And, you know, there's no way to know that'll happen for sure, but a lot of people think that it will.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there, there might be some kind of silver lining to this story, that there might be some kind of relief coming in shape in the form of an El Nino?

[Tony Heller]

Yeah, absolutely. The 2023 El Nino improved things for a few years, but now we're back in the same mess we were three years ago. So the best El Nino could do would be provide some temporary respite. Respite for the government to figure out how to deal with the longer term problem. But we've been consistently using more water than is available in the Colorado river for like 100 years now. So something needs to change.

[Jimmy Dore]

So why do you, have you looked into why governments don't create more reservoirs so when there are El Nino that they can capture more water? Because they're not doing that.

[Tony Heller]

Yeah, that would probably be a good idea. But the downside of having big reservoirs on the Colorado river is that they lose water, evaporate water. When Lake Powell. Lake Powell loses a huge amount of water from evaporation every year. So if you had like 10 Lake Powells on the Colorado river, you would lose almost all that water by evaporation. So it wouldn't be any good. This is very hot and dry in the desert and having a large area like Lake Powell exposed to the sun and the dry air is just going to evaporate the water away. So it's kind of a two edged sword those, those lakes.

[Jimmy Dore]

So at first I thought this was AI. I swear to God, I thought this was AI because I know I didn't think anybody would say something. This not only out of touch with the common man or the common worker in the United States, but it goes past out of touch. It's almost evil that someone would say this with a smile on their face. So what am I talking about? This is Kevin Hassett. He is a conservative economist and the current director of the National Economic Council in the second Trump administration, having previously served as a Chairman of the Council on economic advisors from 2017 to 2019, Trump's first term. So this is real. His name is Kevin Hassett. And listen to how he's going to tell you that. You can tell the economy's doing well. You ready for this, Kurt? Ready for this.

[Kevin Hassett]

And so the consumer is really, really firing on all cylinders. Just like the corporate sector you're seeing in the earnings reports. And they're doing that because they have so much more money in their pockets. In fact, I had the head of one of the big five banks in my office yesterday going through the credit card data. And just as Secretary Bessant said, credit card spending is through the roof. They're spending more on gasoline, but they're spending More on everything else too.

[Co-host or Guest]

Interest on gasoline.

[Jimmy Dore]

So the fact that people are maxing out their credit cards right now, as this asshole says with a smile on his face, is a sign that. So that people are using their credit so Is a sign that the economy is strong. But so as our, as our friends on Twitter say, so he thinks consumers maxing out credit cards is a good thing? Yes, that's what he's saying with a smile on his face. Well, so I just want to let you know, credit card delinquency rates have risen to their highest level since 2011.

[Co-host or Guest]

Ooh. On all cylinders.

[Jimmy Dore]

Firing at all cylinders.

[Co-host or Guest]

The debt's firing debt.

[Jimmy Dore]

12% of all credit card debt as 90% 90 days past due. So while 90 days past due, credit card defaults are going through the roof, farmers are going broke at levels not seen before in his. 70% of farmers say they can't afford to make food because they can't afford the. They can't afford the fertilizer because of the war.

[Co-host or Guest]

Bill Gates said that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Is that funny? This guy should be stripped of his economic credentials. You're right, because they're running out of cash, you magnificent, magnificent effing moron. That's why there's Credit card spending's at an all time high. Kidder says, hey, they're spending more because everything costs more too.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yeah, well, this isn't for you, this show. It's so when they jump.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. So when they go to a gas station and they buy gas, it's now costing them double and they're putting it on their credit card. So that's why credit card spending is going to be because stuff costs more.

[Co-host or Guest]

Well, Trump doesn't. He's not going to put that together.

[Jimmy Dore]

And you know, so. And he thinks because people are spending more money on their credit cards, could it be that Americans are throwing one big party before they get locked down again from the hantavirus? Could that be it? So anyway, maxing out your credit cards is great for elites, especially if they need a plot of land where you live to build another data center. How about that?

[Co-host or Guest]

Well, I'm worried about these mom and pops, you know, sure. They're eighth home. Okay. They're not underwater on. But what about their 9th and 10th home?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Oh, that. Remember that? Yeah. Scott Besant saying, you know the mom and pop who got bought, bought eight. No, that was stacked. Scott Besant said that. Yeah. You know the mom and pop who bought eight or nine houses so they could retire. He literally said that. That came out of his mouth.

[Co-host or Guest]

Well, lizards all look alike to me.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it just. So here it is again. Credit card delinquencies at an all time high. So it's almost seems like the ones encouraging this credit card spending are actually. And secretly setting us up to be forced into using digital currency. Almost seems like that. Whoops. All the real money's gone. We don't know where it went or where it is. If you want to feed your family now, just let us install these tiny chips into your eyeballs so we can monitor your entire existence. Yeah, so pretty soon with the digital currency we're going to be living, it'll be like China, but with a lot more street crime and slow trains.

[Co-host or Guest]

Yes, that is. Well, they don't got to put a chip in your eye, by the way, they trained you to snitch on yourself all day via social media. You self report all day. That's what these are for. This is what I ate. What do you think that's for?

[Jimmy Dore]

That's exactly so the Facebook, Kurt, correct me if I'm wrong, was originally invented by the deep state of my darpa. And then it was. And then they, they somehow Zuckerberg got a hold of it. That's kind of.

[Co-host or Guest]

He's a figurehead, right? We think these people are in charge. We have state capitalism that they pretend with these made up stories of. Then Steve Jobs worked his way. He was the hippie and Bill Gates was the middle class kid that. Remember how they pushed these stories of billionaires, Foreign History Channel, the men who basically built them. You're better off watching Ancient Aliens than watching the Men who Built America for an accurate picture of oligarchs.

[Jimmy Dore]

If you, if you think that Mark Zuckerberg is not in charge. Okay, people, okay.

[Co-host or Guest]

I've seen that kid at an orgy. He wasn't in charge.

[Jimmy Dore]

He wasn't in charge. Okay? You got a better chance of some guy being in charge.

[Co-host or Guest]

Okay, people, young people, what are you even doing there?

[Jimmy Dore]

I really should put that on a loop of Joe Rogan and some guy. I said, oh, you know what, Kurt? I was kicking myself because when I said on the Bill Maher segment that Bill, Joe Rogan says that, oh, Bill Maher doesn't even know what the WEF is. And I said, he doesn't even know what MK Ultra is. And the reason I knew he didn't know that, that was because Roseanne Barr was on his podcast and she had to tell him. He was like, what's that? What's MK Ultra?

[Co-host or Guest]

She told him what the WEF is also on there.

[Jimmy Dore]

And she had to tell him. She had to tell him what the WEF is and what MK Ultra was, because he didn't know what it was. Because they don't tell you that in the paper. I read the newspapers. I read the papers. I read it in the news. It's in the newspapers.

[Co-host or Guest]

Well, it wasn't all the papers in the 90s, and guess what? I ignored it because I was young, though. And now you're not allowed to put it in a newspaper no more. It's dangerous. But in the 90s, MK Monarch was all over TV. It was on Current Affair, Hard Copy, the Bill O'Reilly. They were all talking about it.

[FBI Director Patel]

That's.

[Jimmy Dore]

And I. And I so kicked myself after I did that segment and dropped it because I didn't put in that clip of Roseanne Barr having to explain Roseanne Barr having to explain to Bill Maher what exactly the WEF and MKUltra was. So that would have been the. So he's pretending like he did know and that Joe Rogan was somehow the idiot.

[Co-host or Guest]

Because I know what Davos. I. It's actually, I believe him that they. Everybody I know that is like Davos kind of people. They call it Davos. They don't say wef, right? They call it Davos because they're not there for Carl, you know, that guy they fired, they're there for because it's in a ski chateau or whatever the hell they stay.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, this is Jimmy.

[FBI Director Patel]

Who's this that did Cash Patel again?

[Jimmy Dore]

FBI Director Patel. What? What's the. What do I owe this pleasure to hear from you? What's on your mind?

[FBI Director Patel]

I'll tell you what's on my mind, dude. Space.

[Jimmy Dore]

What?

[FBI Director Patel]

Final frontier. Meaning what's up there? Are those little efforts coming here to Earth, and if so, what do they want? Also, are any of them hot?

[Jimmy Dore]

What?

[FBI Director Patel]

I'm sorry, UFOs, dude, that's my new shiz. That's the new tip I'm on right now. UFOs. Or as they have been rebranded, UAPs. You down with UAPS yet? You know me. What?

[Jimmy Dore]

What? Why UFOs?

[FBI Director Patel]

Well, as I announced on the Sean Hannity podcast recently, I guess you didn't hear, the FBI will be releasing a large dump or tranche of UFO slash UAP documents to the public, previously unknown to and unseen by the public. Like tossing raw meat to wild dogs.

[Jimmy Dore]

Dude, why now? Why. Why this sudden change in FBI focus?

[FBI Director Patel]

Well, it's straight out of the operating manual of the Trump administration, isn't it? Epstein files not satisfactory or incomplete. Guess what? We're invading Iran now, bitches. Iran War turns out to be a disaster. Well, we're going to drop the ET files on you jabronius. Now, when the public gets bored with aliens, it's your ass. Cuba. Cyclical, controlled. Always a step ahead. Calculations. Having sex with many bitches narratives.

[Jimmy Dore]

I see. Well, this is truly fascinating. Can you give us a hint on what may be contained in these alien files?

[FBI Director Patel]

Ah, you know me, Jimmy. I hate to give away spoilers. I'm afraid you and the rest of the media are just gonna have to wait and find out what kind of tight as shit space shit is gonna be in there. Just like everybody else.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, come on. Director Patel, there's gotta be something you could tell us.

[FBI Director Patel]

All right, fine. Okay. Check this out. Probably the most shocking revelation included in these files is that Robin Leach, the host of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, once strangled a girl to death at a high profile orgy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, but we already know this from the Epstein files.

[FBI Director Patel]

Amazingly, these appear to be two separate, With this one having a UFO tangent or a component.

[Jimmy Dore]

I see. That's fascinating.

[FBI Director Patel]

For real? For real.

[Kevin Hassett]

Who knew?

[FBI Director Patel]

I could also say with confidence that the United States government was once in fact in possession of the bodies of deceased alien beings. Clutch

[Jimmy Dore]

was. Well, where are the bodies now?

[FBI Director Patel]

Well, that's the problem. Their locations are not currently known. With confidence. The location of said Clutch alien bodies.

[Jimmy Dore]

We lost aliens.

[FBI Director Patel]

That's not what I said, dude. We didn't lose. Older agents within various bureaus have told younger agents with confidence that they themselves have seen the bodies. That it was widely known that these bodies were being preserved. But when an effort was made to locate the bodies, no one could find them.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it was a hoax?

[FBI Director Patel]

Not necessarily, dude. Not necessarily, dude. Bro, do you realize how much shit is in the US Government's possession? Like the sheer size of our files and archives, it makes the Smithsonian holdings look like a junk drawer. Just because you misplaced something, that doesn't mean it never existed. At least you know, usually. They'll turn up eventually. I'm sure of it. Maybe. And who knows? Maybe the public knows something about.

[Jimmy Dore]

About where top secret government aliens are.

[FBI Director Patel]

You never know, dude. You never know. Maybe someone out there has ESPN2 or whatever. This is alien shit, dude. We're in a whole new territory. Maybe that lady can help us, whatever her name is. Clairvoyant.

[Jimmy Dore]

No. Clairvoyant is a word. It's. It's. It's pronounced clairvoyant. It's a word meaning. Hey, what are you, Bill Mar over here? You don't know what stuff is? Clairvoyant is a word meaning psychic. There. There's not. There's not a person named Claire Voyant.

[FBI Director Patel]

No. You're on, dude. She's in the files. Clairvoyant.

[Jimmy Dore]

No, she's not.

[FBI Director Patel]

Well, she is now. Which brings us to the UAPs themselves. These fucked up hypersonic zip zappers fucking super flying all throughout our airspace. I say fuck that. Top pilots and generals and shit have seen them and they cannot explain it. They're not of this earth, dude. I swear to fucking God.

[Jimmy Dore]

Have commercial pilots and passengers seen similar things? How come you never hear from them on this matter?

[FBI Director Patel]

I don't know. I don't fucking know, dude. Get Southwest Airlines to release their UFO files. Okay? That shit's none of my business, son. I'm focused on big daddy over here. Point is, these brave pilots and generals and colonels and risk their lives to come forward and speak their truth. And now the world will know. Which is tight as fuck.

[Jimmy Dore]

Wait, their lives were at risk? From whom?

[FBI Director Patel]

I don't know. The government?

[Jimmy Dore]

The government was going to kill US Military personnel for reporting atmospheric phenomena to the US Military?

[FBI Director Patel]

Well, I don't know. The aliens. The deep state. Deep state aliens? Dude, fuck you. The point is, we need this to be a giant distraction. And the more we can whip up the public imagination based on the X Files and other media, the better. There's that Steven Spielberg movie coming out. Like, that's literally exactly about this shit. That can only help us, dog.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, I see.

[FBI Director Patel]

Yeah. So if we roll this out properly, the entire population will forget all about the fact that we bombed Iran and accomplished nothing other than ceding large chunk of a sovereign nation to Israel.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, well. Well, in case that I. I hope it fails. And I hope. I look forward. I look forward to debunking all of it.

[FBI Director Patel]

Oh, yeah? Well, maybe you'll get abducted if you try that. I do not recommend that. We may have to send Randy and them over there at night with a paralysis agent and an anal probe. Then you'll be ready to believe then, won't you? I'm just with you, dude. We wouldn't do that. We can't. We can't even not lose aliens. You know what I mean? Plus, I can't really spare Randy right now. I'm leaning on him a lot. All right, I gotta go, dude. We still have to redact some shit from the 50s to make a small plane crash look like a UFO landed in the desert. I love the creative part of this job. Sick.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, become a premium member. Go to jimmy dorecomedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be, and I'll keep being me. Don't freak out, don't freak out? Don't freak out? Don't freak out? Don't freak out, don't freak out? Do not freak out,

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[Jimmy Dore]

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