
During the just-completed presidential campaign, no media personalities were harsher on Donald Trump than the Morning Joe crew, with frequent references to the similarities between Trump and Hitler, not to mention plenty of talk of Nazis. But what a...
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Jimmy Dore
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Colin Rug
Establishment media, sex August light and so good luck. Bullshit.
Joe Scarborough
We can't afford.
Colin Rug
Off the medium Speeds and jumps the medium and hit some head on. It's the Chim show. So Colin Rug dropped a little video. Morning Joe then Donald Trump is comparable to Adolf Hitler. Morning Joe. Now we met with Trump at Mar a Lago to settle our differences. So let's take a look at that. Video.
Mika Brzezinski
Says that the news network that, that is most critical of him should be taken off the air. This is not a reach. I could go back and talk about Nazi Germany and I do it. I do it without any concerns whatsoever. And if people can't start drawing the parallels, well, you're just stupid or you have your head in the sand or you're one of them.
Joe Biden
Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from so many people.
Joe Scarborough
Okay, so that was as the video says.
Colin Rug
Yes. And I just want to point out this is the same gu who told you the Joe Biden of today is the best Biden. And if you don't accept that, f.
Joe Scarborough
You'Re stupid or you're one of them.
Colin Rug
Stupid or you're one of them. This, this is what's so maddening, I think to so many people because you know, they get paid millions of dollars to be professionally wrong about everything.
Joe Scarborough
Yeah.
Colin Rug
In any other field, if every, if you were a doctor, every time you did open heart surgery, they died on the table, they wouldn't keep putting you out there to keep operating on people's hearts. These guys, you know. Yeah, this is the best. Biden still got a job that should be career ending. If there were any accountability in media, if they were there to inform and not to propagandize, not to peddle a narrative, they wouldn't have this job. They wouldn't have this job. I mean, by the standards of being right, they're just completely incompetent.
Joe Scarborough
Yeah. They should call themselves stupid. And one of them. That should be the name of that as a couple. One of them should have a T shirt that says I'm with stupid. And then the other one should have a T shirt. One of them with the arrow pointing to the other one.
Colin Rug
Yeah, yeah. Or, you know, have a picture from Todd Browning's Freaks. One of us.
Joe Scarborough
Exactly. All right, so that was then, but then this is now. Apparently, they're patching things up.
Mika Brzezinski
One of them.
Joe Biden
Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from so many people, from political leaders to regular citizens, deeply dismayed by several of President Elect Trump's cabinet selections. And they are scared. Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns on this broadcast and even said we would appreciate the opportunity to speak with the President Elect himself. On Friday, we were given the opportunity to do just that. Joe and I went to Mar a Lago to meet personally with President Elect Trump. It was the first time we have seen him in seven years.
Mika Brzezinski
Now, we talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation, threats of political retribution against political.
Colin Rug
Last time we saw him, Mika was bleeding from her face, from her eyes, from her wherever. So we made sure to schedule at a very specific time of the month.
Joe Scarborough
I called him a Nazi.
Colin Rug
And I called him a Nazi. Good times.
Mika Brzezinski
Media outlets. We talked about that a good bit. And it's going to come as no surprise to anybody who watches this show, has watched it over the past year or over the past decade, that we didn't see eye to eye on a lot of issues. And we told him so.
Joe Biden
What we did agree on was to restart communications. My father often spoke with world leaders with whom he and the United States profoundly disagreed. That's a task shared by reporters and commentators alike. We have not Hitler spoken to President Trump Since March of 2020, other than a personal call Joe made to Trump on the morning after the attempt on his life in Butler, Pennsylvania. In this meeting, President Trump was tearful. He was upbeat. He seemed interested in finding common ground with Democrats on some of the most divisive issues. And for those asking why we would go speak to the President Elect during such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back, why wouldn't we? Five years of political warfare has deeply divided Washington and the country.
Colin Rug
A lot of you might Not. But we remember Robert Downey Jr. Ending his career in irrelevance, literally as a circus act, appearing in big tents across the country. And we don't want that to be us.
Joe Biden
We have been as clear as we know how in expressing our deep concerns about President Trump's actions and words in the coarsening of public debate. But for nearly 80 million Americans, election denialism, public trials, and January 6th were not as important as the issues that moved them to send Donald Trump back to the White House with their vote. Joe and I realize it's time to do something different. And that starts with not only talking about Donald Trump, but also talking with him.
Colin Rug
Okay, all right. So, you know, people took that surprisingly well. They took that very well. So let's, let's see what the reaction they got for that was friend of show, Jimmy Dore. Remember how we said Trump was literal Hitler and he would end democracy and be a fascist dictator? Well, psych. Yes, indeed. They seem to be whistling a different tune now. Rafiq. She literally just said he was fascist and that women were going to die if he was elected president. That is what I think our British friends call a sticky wicket that they're in. Ryan Stelter. Loyal Morning Joe viewers are furious about the Trump meeting. Jeff Jarvis called it a betrayal of their colleagues, democracy and us all. It is a disgusting show of obeisance in advance. Some fans are vowing not to watch the show anymore.
Joe Scarborough
Now, I know, you know, as someone who kind of does this for a living now, I should probably be less ignorant, but, but who the fuck is Jeff Jarvis? I never heard of Jeff Jarvis. Is he an MSNBC guy?
Colin Rug
Is he like, no, no, that's Vision. That's Vision and the Avengers.
Joe Scarborough
Who's Jeff? Jeff Jarvis called it a betrayal of their colleagues. Who is that?
Colin Rug
I, I, I, I really don't know.
Joe Scarborough
It must be somebody who works at msnbc. I never heard of him. Is that a host or is that an executive?
Colin Rug
Well, you know, Brian Stelter is the king of relevance, so people are clamoring to find out. I, you know, it's just very interesting. He's talking about the threat of fans vowing not to watch the show anymore. Both CNN and MSNBC completely tanked right after the election. P A lot of the viewers that remained, and they've been on a downward trajectory for several years. There was a big drop off after the Mueller report because you're starting to get down to the dumbest people who still watch this stuff, and it's becoming too much for them. So you're Getting, you're getting another layer of dummies who are just going away from these shows now. You're down to, I don't know, man. I mean, you got people on IVs at the nursing home left at this point, like who's, who's watching and, and they're not even choosing to watch it. The nurses aides are putting it on.
Joe Scarborough
Yeah, right.
Colin Rug
Yeah. In the room. Like who. Who at six in the morning, who's. Yeah. Who's left to complain? Who's really left to complain? And of course, I mean, my, in my opinion, I think it's kind of obvious that's what this is about. These shows are terrified of sliding into irrelevance. You know, it's, it's funny because if you handed me, you, the average person, Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski, money, That's, fuck you, money. Who cares if your show goes off the air, right? But for these people, man, once you're at that level, you think differently. Like that money is just a baseline thing that you assume being rich, that's not good enough anymore. You have to be rich and powerful. You have to be rich, powerful, famous. You have to be relevant. That's why they would fight. That's why they would sacrifice their dignity to try to keep this piece of garbage show going when they don't need the money. There's way they need to keep this going. We're going to be collecting bottles and cans if Morning Joe goes off the air. So what are they, what do they need to sacrifice their dignity for? That's how narcissistic and egocentric people like this are.
Joe Scarborough
Well, I would also say, too, that I think there is a lesson to be learned and a lesson that should have been Learned back in 2016, which is that the absolute worst way to attack Donald Trump is to make him into this foreign thing, this just intrinsically out of bounds, disqualified thing. Um, the most effective tact against Trump was always just to normalize him. And that's something that they refused to do. They refused to do in 2016. And then when they lost in 2016, they thought it was a weird fluke because she won the popular vote and they were chirping about the Russians and blah, blah, blah. You know, with, with a verdict like this, with a popular vote win and a win in every swing state. I think it's, it's becoming obvious to people that, you know, they are. Their sort of otherizing of Trump as someone. Just like I said, intrinsically out of bounds did not work because that's the exact campaign they ran. They ran a campaign of. Their message in the campaign was not. They didn't run on left wing economics. They didn't even run on wokeness. They ran on Liz Cheney likes Kamala because January 6th was a really scary day. That was their message. And that's what Morning Joe insisted that she run on. Because Morning Joe, I mean, look, Joe Scarborough is a Republican. He was a Republican. He exited because of Trump and God forbid, right. But I mean, he's a conservative who doesn't like the woke identity politics and he doesn't like workers to have decent wages. So what does he want the Democrats to do? He wants them to run as basically Republicans who don't do January 6th. That's basically what he wants the Democrats to do. And I think they realize that that is a dead end. And so now I think a lot of people are realizing that they have to engage in a policy discussion because this just blanket stigmatization of Trump and the Trump movement has been a total failure. It has been a total failure. They got lucky in 2020 when Trump basically disqualified himself by saying one day don't worry about COVID the next day pushing Operation Warp Speed. Then he gets Covid, he says he's fine, then he goes to Walter Reed Hospital. Like he just, he disqualified himself. But there was never a successful effort to make any of this other stuff, the law fair, the January 6, the Russia gate, there was never a successful effort to make any of that stick. That has failed every time they've tried. And now it's failed to such an extent that he's back after all of this, after eight years, he's back for another four. So they have no choice but to change tactics. And don't forget one final thing. Joe and Mika liked Donald Trump until 2016. They had him on their show pretty regularly like they were chummy. They were not enemies.
Colin Rug
Right. Well, this is why I say I think you're giving them more credit than they deserve. I, I think it's a business move. I think all of these people are, are deeply narcissistic and don't really have any principles. They can see which way the wind is blowing and they're trying to find a way to maintain relevance and more importantly for journalists to maintain access. Well, I think clearly these people are, these people are going to be in power for the foreseeable future. And this is why I keep comparing this cultural moment to the Reagan revolution where going to what you're saying, where they kind of gave up their resistance and they Wound up. Yeah, it started as we're going to listen, we're going to talk, we're going to engage. And it ended up with, we're going to be them. Right. By the time you get to Bill Clinton, we're going to be them. This is why a lot of, A lot of libs would, would protest when you say this. You know, eventually you guys are going to be supporting somebody like Donald Trump and saying people have to vote for them because they're better than, you know, whatever, you know, Genghis Khan, whatever, whatever. The Republicans are running. And this is how you get there. This is how you get there. Now that, yes, they realize what they did didn't work. So what's the next step? Okay, well, so what ideas do they have that we can co opt and present ourselves as them because they won? That. That. That was what happened after Reagan. It was this purging of the, of the New Deal Democrats out of the party, the silence of labor, the silence of the economic left, and the elevation of identity politics and neoliberalism.
Joe Scarborough
Yes, of course, of course. We got some more reactions here.
Colin Rug
Okay. All right. So Glenn Greenwald, I know there are many contenders, but Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski are the two most pathetic worms in corporate media. They will do and say anything to feel close to power. They both worshiped Trump in 2015 and only turned against him when he wouldn't pick Joe as vp. All right, I know you're not enough of a dork for this, but, you know, Marvel Comics had a series. What if that was like, well, what if Mary Jane became Spider man instead of Peter Parker? That would be a great novel. What if Trump had picked Joe Scarborough to be his vp? What alternate reality would that would we be living in? Keith Olbermann. Look, this isn't complex. Joe Scarborough has always been a political whore. You know, it takes one to know one. Keith.
Joe Scarborough
Yes.
Colin Rug
You know, stop clock right time. You're not wrong about this, but you might not be the best messenger. So, of course, the View, which I gotta say, they joke about a lot of different shows, that their audience is mostly hate watchers. I think the View, It's. At least 50% of their audiences is hate watching this show. I mean, even Candace Owens the day after the election tweeted out, what time is the View on? Like, everyone wanted to watch the View Meltdown, myself included, actually. Okay, so the View weighed in on Joe and Mika, and as you can imagine, Sunny was not thrilled.
Sunny Hostin
Look, the bottom line is that America needs a free press that is willing to speak truth to power right now more than ever. And I think that we have to be very clear eyed when we think about the President elect and cover the President elect. And I don't think you need to sit down for 90 minutes at Mar A Lago and kiss his ring to be able to speak truth and to be able to cover a story. So maybe they're not journalists in the true sense, maybe they're saying that they're opinion general journalists. But we have to remember that Trump is the guy who ushered in the era of fake news. He is the guy who ushered.
Joe Scarborough
That's actually not true.
Colin Rug
Yes, it's not true.
Joe Scarborough
It was actually Hillary Clinton who coined the term fake news when she was giving a speech in the summer of 202016 going after Alex Jones. She called Alex Jones fake news. That was the thing. There's this news ecosystem around Trump. And then Trump threw it back at them and said, turns out you guys were the fake news the whole time after he won. Because the fake news the whole time was that I had no chance to win.
Colin Rug
Yes. But in terms of the overall concept, that really goes back to the Bush administration where a lot was made of this. They had some terrifying interviews with some Bush insiders that was very prevalent in the press about truthiness. Truthiness about things having the feel of truth. What is truth anyway? Right? Oh sure, right.
Joe Scarborough
As a term, fake news. It was the libs who started using the word fake news in the campaign in 2016. The actual phrase fake news.
Colin Rug
But the idea that we're just going to dispense with the idea that things have to be true, we could just get rid of that. That really started with Bush. They didn't invent political lying, but they really did put out the innovation of being unapologetic about it and putting out the rather rebellion idea. Well, if everyone believes it, who's to say what the truth is?
Joe Scarborough
Right, Go ahead.
Sunny Hostin
In alternative facts, he is the guy who attacked three black fe journalist. He's the guy that revoked Jim Acosta's press credentials for asking him a question. And so I think that this President elect, I hate to say it, would like nothing more than to have only Fox News cover him. Would like nothing more than a state sponsored media. And I don't think he can be trusted in the way that other presidents can be trusted. This is an aberration.
Colin Rug
But the reality is he doesn't just have Fox News. He didn't do a lot of mainstream media this election. But he went on Joe rogan and.
Joe Biden
Reached 50 million people.
Colin Rug
Okay, so Sonny was actually responding to a monologue by Alyssa Farrar Griffin that was essentially to the effect of we have to reach out. We have to talk to Donald Trump and his people. Now, a lot of people speculate because she's really been singing that song since the election, that she might be hitting that note because she wants to keep her job. Interesting. Companies realized their bet against Trump and MAGA was a poor choice. The Washington Post and LA Times newspapers are changing their writers to include conservative voices. ABC's the View is panicking to add Trump voices to the show. So if you're one of the people who's meant to represent the conservatives on the show, your job is in jeopardy. Maybe you're not Trumpy enough so they get somebody Trumpier and replace you. So that might be why she's been so outspoken since the election. But this is what I mean when I compare it to the Reagan years. The Reagan years saw a very fast cultural change and hey, that's commercially driven. Most of these companies, they're not really ideological, they're not really true believers. In the end, they're sociopathic corporations that want to make a profit. They can see where the wind is blowing. And in the journalism business, what are you going to do? He's going to spend four years in the wilderness having no access to the White House while the conservative media continues to eat your lunch. So they're all going to come around. They're going to come around. Now what do the remaining libs do when their favored Trump derangement syndrome victims turn on them in their. In their effort to do this dance of pleasing both the needs of access and the needs of their Kool Aid drinking audience? Who knows? They're between a rock and a hard place. I don't think it's salvageable. I think these are desperation moves.
Joe Scarborough
Could be true, could be right.
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Colin Rug
Kamala Mamala. She didn't. She didn't run the outstanding campaign. That cracker Jack pundit. Speaking of people who get paid millions of dollars to be wrong, Joy Reid said, and she wasn't the only one, but she was one of the main people saying this. This was a historic, flawlessly run campaign. Kamala Harris had every prominent celebrity voice. She's saying that as a good thing. Yep. No, she's got her finger on the pulse of the nation. She's somebody who should really be paid to comment on broad sociocultural trends. Joy reid, Real cost of Harris Event with Oprah Leaked as campaign Struggles with Bills so this just keeps getting worse the more that is coming out about the drunken sailor style of spending that they applied to this campaign. If you gave money to this campaign, you can't be feeling very good right now. Vice President Kamala Harris's campaign, which spent 100 million per week during her condensed run for the presidency, is still flooding supporters inboxes with requests for cash. Look, they could have forgiven all the student loans right here. Yeah, they could have just done it directly. That's led to heightened scrutiny about how the campaign spent its record war chest and still ended up no match for President elect Donald Trump's MAGA roadshow. Like the antique roadshow, but with more red hats. Yeah. Among the eye popping expenses was a $1 million paid to Oprah Winfrey's production firm, Harpo Productions, for a town hall event the television star hosted with Harris in September. The full price tag for the event, meanwhile, was more than just the fee for Harpo. The New York Times, citing two people briefed on the details, reported Sunday that it amounted to 2.5 million. That amount is sure to further bewilder critics who had already falsely accused Winfrey of pocketing the money herself. Quote, I was not paid a dime, Winfrey wrote in an Instagram comment for the live streaming event in September, my production company, Harpo, was asked to bring in set design, lights, cameras, crew producers, and every other item necessary, including the benches and the chairs we sat on to put on a live production. I did not take any personal fee. However, the people who worked on that production needed to be paid and were end of story.
Joe Scarborough
So why didn't you pay him? Why didn't you donate the money? I mean, you're worth a fortune. Isn't this, wasn't this an existential fight for the future of America?
Colin Rug
Hang on. This kind of gets into that. Campaign finance law also prevents businesses from making campaign contributions or providing services to campaigns at below market rates.
Joe Scarborough
So you're allowed to write a Check. But you can't donate products, apparently.
Colin Rug
Yes, apparently you cannot make, like an in kind donation of services.
Joe Scarborough
Of services. Oh, I didn't. Yeah, that's funny. I stand corrected. I did not know that.
Colin Rug
I did not know that either.
Joe Scarborough
If you want to put on an event for a politician. But that's weird because don't, don't like.
Colin Rug
Don'T like facilities because really, like, these celebrities who clearly were for Kamala, like, wouldn't they donate their services like you would think they would?
Joe Scarborough
Well, I never thought that the celebrities themselves were like, getting paid, like, profiting personally, but you would think, like, if it's, if it's, if it's a production company, I would think a production company would be allowed to, like, you know, host an event. Like, what if you wanted to host an event? Like, Tyler Perry has his whole, like, studio soundstage set up in Georgia there. What if he wanted to host a rally and he needed his people to show up? Couldn't he just pay his people to show up and work the event like it was any other event? Would that be illegal?
Colin Rug
That seems weird to me. According to this, apparently, yes. Apparently that is a violation of campaign finance law. So the real question here is less the perfidy of the celebrities than the stupidity of the money managers on this campaign. Like what? You know, I read Jonathan PI in that classic video. He's a British comedian. If you've never seen it, he did a hilarious video about why Hillary lost after 2016. And one of the best lines in it, he says, it's almost as if the political acumen of Beyonce and Jay Z count for nothing. You would have thought they would have learned that lesson at that time. Like, look, I could understand appearing with celebrities. I don't think it really helps. I don't think it necessarily hurts. Like, the kind of people who were turned off by it probably weren't going to vote for Kamala Harris anyway. I don't know that it really. Conversely, I don't know that anyone who wasn't going to vote for her would turn around and vote for her because of it. But that aside, spending this kind of money on that, like, what made you think that that was worth the millions of dollars they spent? So millions were spent on other celebrity events and high profile concerts. With Lady Gaga and Beyonce among those to appear for Harris, their effectiveness is now in question. Among other notable spending, according to the times, was 2.5 million spent on three digital agencies that work with online influencers. Trump gained a significant amount of publicity stomping on Broy and right wing podcasts for free. Yes, he did. There was also 900,000 spent to reserve advertising space on Las Vegas's sphere during the final week of the campaign. That, now that is just dumb. Unsurprisingly, consultants hangers on and other Democrats came begging for cash and the Harris campaign obliged. This is what it's all about. This was really their objection to Bernie. He was going to drive all these people out. The whole money trough was going to dry up to other. More than universal healthcare, more than any of his policy proposals which they knew would get killed in Congress, it was him taking over the DNC and putting his people in. Because what would Bernie have done? Whatever we might think of him now, and it's not, we're not, he's not our favorite person. But come on, man, he would have fired all of these people.
Joe Scarborough
But yeah, no, this whole line of work would not have existed inside the Democratic Party if he took it over.
Colin Rug
That's it. That was the issue. That was why he was an existential threat that they absolutely could not abide.
Joe Scarborough
Right.
Colin Rug
That's why we've talked about, you know, why couldn't they have given Bernie, let Bernie win. Yeah, you would have gotten a little public option or something and then, you know, you wouldn't have had, you never would have had Trump. He'd be leaving now. This is why. This is why.
Joe Scarborough
No, he would have wiped their jobs out. He was like the Haitian migrant showing up to the, showing up to the factory, to them.
Colin Rug
Well, and this is like those parasites who, you know, they eat the bug and take over its exoskeleton. This is the Democratic Party now from being the paid help. This is the party. These consultants, these vendors, that's the party. It's a big grift.
Joe Scarborough
Yeah, yeah.
Colin Rug
To other party committees like the Democratic Party in Philadelphia, for example, a total of near 25 million was given. Some Harris pals and allies got in on the largest too. Talk show host areva Martin earned 200,000 as a media consultant and towards swing states for Harris. In October, the Times said journalist and commentator Roland Martin, who hosts a streaming show for his New vision Media, earned $350,000 in September for a media buy, telling the Times it was for advertising and that more should have been spent on black owned media. The Times said that the Harris campaign likely spent close to 600 million on producing and buying media ads for television and digital. It's like, it's like the old story about the Chicago ad man. The dog food producer comes and says you know, we've tried everything and we can't sell it. He says maybe the dogs don't like the food.
Keith Olbermann
Right, right.
Colin Rug
The Democratic National Committee's finance chair said he will push for an introspective study and analysis of how Harris's campaign blew through 1.5 billion. In a note to the party's top fundraiser sent Friday, Chris Korg wrote, the campaign getting routed by Trump in all seven swing states shocked us all and said the DNC will need to take a hard look at how it is structured. Yeah, that, that, that, that's what we call Poland in Israel. We're going to investigate. We're going.
Joe Scarborough
We will.
Colin Rug
We are going to write a very thorough report on this. Meanwhile, emails asking for donors to give to the Harris fight fund are still going out as spending decisions during the race are being relitigated. Harris did outperform in swing states over national results, which some of her allies have used to argue as proof she was a naval campaigner. Okay. There is not a single expenditure in a different spot that would have changed the outcome of the race. Now, that may very well be true. So you could have saved yourself the billion.
Joe Scarborough
Well, I mean, another way to look at it, that last piece there, while she outperformed the average in swing states, I mean, what that tells you is that she was weaker than they expected in solid blue states, which she was. I mean, she only won. She won Illinois by single digits. She won New york by only 11 points. 11 or 12 points. So, so, yeah, she underperformed in the blue states. Now, you could say there that the campaigning made a difference in the swing states. Well, campaigning always makes a difference. If it didn't, you wouldn't do it. Right. But, but to say that, well, she really shit the bed in Illinois, too. So that means you really can't, you know, bust our balls too much over this waste of money in the swing states. Like the whole campaign was, the whole campaign was just make work. I mean, it really feels like in retrospect, they kind of knew they were going to lose all along and they figure, let's just, let's just, you know, raise a bunch of money and blow it. Cha Ching. Right, Exactly. Let's get paid.
Colin Rug
Listen, we'll tell them it's the politics of joy. They'll eat that up.
Joe Scarborough
Yeah, right.
Colin Rug
The donors will love that. There is not a single expenditure in a different spot that would have changed the outcome of the race. Bakari Sellers, a Harris ally and former member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, told the Times we had so much money, it was hard to get it out the door. God, these morons. Who wrote checks to these people? I was getting those. I. Man, I couldn't report it as junk enough to not keep getting those texts to donate to the Harris campaign. Emergency alert. 400% matching donation if you donate by midnight every freaking day. So Kamala Harris here. Here's how they spent their money. Kamala Harris blew six figures on building the set for disastrous Call Her Daddy podcast interview. And this, by the way, is because Harris wouldn't just fly to her set, which is already built. She had to make her come to her. Kind of like what she did tried to do with Rogan, and he refused.
Joe Scarborough
Right.
Colin Rug
So they spent $100,000 to build this set that people's estimates of what this should have cost to build range from about 6 to 20,000, assuming union labor. 100,000. That's just. You just got it to burn, and you're not even asking any questions about costs. So this was on. This is one of the big donors and bundlers for the campaign. She's been making the rounds, Lindy Lee, and talking about how horrified she is, especially because as a bundler, she. She's well connected and got other people with money to donate.
Joe Scarborough
Yep.
Jimmy Dore
Look this up, because it's all public records. Oprah today is denying that she got paid a million dollars, but it's right there in public records. You can see a million dollars going to Harpo, which is her production company. 1.8 million for Eminem, $3 million to Lizzo, $5 million to Meg the Stallion. What does it make you think about the way they spent $1 billion?
Glenn Greenwald
If my donors had known that in advance, they wouldn't have given. This is just ridiculous, and I'm sorry to say that. Well, every time I say, you know, every time I criticize something, I can just hear, you know, I can just hear. I can just feel the knives being thrown in my back, you know, because it's like a very insular community. And. But again, at this point in my life, I just. We're not allowed to curse here.
Colin Rug
Right?
Glenn Greenwald
I just. I don't care. This is just the right thing to do. Can you imagine people giving $25 or $50? And it means so much to them, and they see that that money was used to build a fake set or to give it to a billionaire like Oprah?
Colin Rug
Yeah. Yeah. They. They. They're gonna have a hard time, I suspect, getting the real money. People to give them money next time. Like, they are really really screwed. And this is going back to the Morning Joe thing. They know it, they know it. They, they know where the winds are blowing it. Is the Democratic Party even going to be a going interest in the next 10 years? I don't know. I don't know. I think their donors feel very burned and their neoliberal philosophy and the contradiction at the heart of it, trying to be a Wall street owned party, claiming to be a left party, it finally all came apart. It came apart. Now where do they, where do they go from here? Where do they go? You got those super wealthy donors. In the end, they're rich and they want to stay that way. They're going to go align themselves with Trump and his allies. You're going to lose a lot of those people and the ones who genuinely have these liberal convictions. How are you going to convince them again that the Democratic Party is a proper steward for those convictions?
Joe Scarborough
Yeah, I mean, I think in certain state races in the midterms and stuff, they'll be able to raise some money. But in terms of the next national campaign. Yeah, man. I mean, that is going to be a very heavy lift. It's going to be a very heavy lift. Now, of course, they have a primary, so you're going to have, you know, some, some competition there in the early going. But, you know, I suppose it's too soon to tell what the next four years have in store, what kind of opportunity they see. But they have dug themselves a major hole. A major hole. And the guy who dug themselves this hole, I mean, we went, we got into this in detail a few times over the past few weeks. So we don't have to rehash the whole thing. But at least as it pertains to the last couple years, it's at the feet of Joe Biden. It's at the feet of Joe Biden who had no business running again. I mean, that's what could have, they could have avoided all of this had he not run again. Because had he not run again, they would have had a primary and they may have lost. Given Biden's record, they probably would have lost. But they could have said, at least in that example, you know, they went through a process and, you know, through whatever process they set up, which is, of course, we're talking about the dnc. It's not a fair process. Right. But they will, they would have done that dance for themselves and given themselves in their mind at least, at least a case they could make in their own minds to themselves and their donors. We tried to give Ourselves, the best chance to win. You really can't say that this time. You really can't say that this time. The fact that Joe Biden stayed in the race as long as he did set them up for disaster, and disaster is what visited them. And they can't look back at this and say they gave it their best shot. They didn't. They let this narcissistic, senile, old, dying piece of garbage just run their party into the ground and bury them. And now they, like I said, they have a long way out of this hole they've dug themselves in.
Colin Rug
Also, remember, part of a primary process is essentially, you're building a fandom for a political celebrity.
Joe Scarborough
Right, Exactly.
Colin Rug
That primary process draws people in. They become fans, backers of this particular candidate. And then when they win, you have these fans who are going to go out and advocate for these candidates.
Joe Scarborough
Right.
Colin Rug
I think what you see here, because Trump, although his demographic shift, he didn't really pick up much in terms of raw vote.
Joe Scarborough
No.
Colin Rug
But the Democratic vote collapsed. And part of that is because they didn't have a primary. You never built that army of people who were going to advocate for Kamala Harris. One day, she's one of the least popular, if not the least popular, vice presidents in the history of polling. The next day, she's the nominee for president. Joe Rogan had a little sit down with Elon before the election, talking about what the deal was over at X, about the value of X, about the fact that Elon had really overpaid for it knowingly to get a hold of the platform and what he thought would happen if Harris won versus Trump. So let's see what they said.
Elon Musk
You didn't do it. No one would have. And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad businessman. Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it. No, it wasn't worth that in the first place.
Keith Olbermann
It wasn't worth that in the first place.
Elon Musk
It wasn't worth $44 billion. You wrong. And also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott.
Keith Olbermann
Exactly.
Elon Musk
That's total.
Colin Rug
Yeah. Yeah. I. I will just point out Twitter was never profitable. Twitter never made a profit before Elon bought it. And after he made the bid, he did try to back out of the deal, and the shareholders were going to sue him to hold him to it, and he wound up going ahead.
Keith Olbermann
Yeah, exactly. So there are these organizations. You can tell. There's like, they're like. When they have an Orwellian name. So like the center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization because they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell. They're like, they're a censorship organization.
Colin Rug
And that, by the way, that's something that comes up a lot in the Twitter files and particularly in Taibbi's reporting. If you're curious about the center for Countering Digital Hate, it's one of the NGOs that was really working very closely with the government so that they could go out and do censorship on behalf of the government while giving the government plausible deniability.
Elon Musk
Yeah.
Keith Olbermann
And they organized and they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we still have like some of the boycott is starting to lift and I think if Trump wins, we'll see, you know, probably a lot, most of the boycott lift, but if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger and they'll friggin shut down. There's no way that the sort of Kamala public regime would allow X to exist.
Elon Musk
You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though? Is there a pathway to that?
Colin Rug
Yes, I think he's probably right about that. And it looks like he's being proven right about the boycott lifting. So Elon Musk tweeted out here. Just want to say that we super appreciate major brands resuming advertising on our platform. Thanks at Linda X. That that's Linda Yakarino took over as CEO and the whole X team for your hard work in restoring confidence in our platform and ensuring that advertising content only appears where advertisers want it shown. Now he's being very nice to his appointed CEO there, but I think we all know this has nothing to do with anything she did. Trump won. They're sticking their fingers in the wind and saying we want to be where the eyeballs are and we want to curry favor with the new administration. So they don't want to get on.
Joe Scarborough
The wrong side of Doge.
Colin Rug
They want to get on the wrong side of the of the dog. X's former top advertisers, including Comcast, IBM, Disney, Warner Brothers, Discovery and Lionsgate Entertainment have resumed ad spending on the platform this year, albeit at much lower rates than before. From January to September 2024, marketing intelligence platform MediaRadar found that these brands collectively spent less than 3.3 million on X. This is a 98% year over year drop from the 170 million spent during the same period in 2023. According to Media Radar, X's top advertisers include challenger brands like Karma Shopping, Canlis Shoes and Koez Entertainment, each of which spent more than 12 million this year, totaling 68 million. To stand out on a less busy media channel, they got to get some of those survival, survivalist advertisers over there. You don't see those too much. No, the lighter at home that can burn through steel because that's safe. That's something civilians should have. A spokesperson from IBM told Ad Week its approach to X has not changed. Comcast, Disney and Lionsgate did not respond to media requests. Warner Brothers Discovery did not respond with an official comment before publishing. A global survey by Kantar, which polled 1,000 senior marketers and 18,000 consumers across over 20 countries, found that 26% of marketers planned to cut their spending on X in 2025. The same report showed that only 4% of marketers trust X for brand safety, compared to 39% for Google Ads, which is not that high, actually. But the 2024 elections may force some brands to recalibrate their cautious approaches to X, given Musk's close ties to President Elect Donald Trump. Exactly. Quote X's owner now has the ear of the president elect, a man who has a long history of helping his friends and punishing his enemies, said Max Willen, senior analyst at Emarketer. Sending at least a trickle of ad spending toward X may be seen as good for business, albeit in an indirect way. Notably, Apple has continued its ex ad hiatus since last year's widely publicized pause. This comes as X faces its biggest exodus, 115,000 users leaving the platform the day after the election, marking the biggest drop since Musk took over in 2022, according to SimilarWeb. That same day, X saw record web traffic, attracting 46.5 million visits, its highest in the past year and 38% higher than the average daily traffic in recent months. Quote the advertisers that have returned to X this year are clearly interested in reaching that audience, said Wellands. This guy is so good at stating the obvious, he should get a job on Morning Joe. Yeah. Now this, this tweet or blue collar American, I think has got it right. Well, yeah, they've seen the customer base and that is the result of the election because in the end, these people are not ideological. They're out to make money. They can see where the power has shifted and it's clearly shifted in this direction. So I would say Elon's getting tired of winning.
Joe Scarborough
Well, yeah, I mean, Elon. Look, I'm not a fan of Elon We've had plenty of shit to say about Elon, but Elon really kind of stuck his neck out by going all in for Trump the way he did. Like that could have really backfired had this election gone a different way.
Colin Rug
And I don't think, I don't think he's wrong. I think they would have made his life a living hell in their efforts to shut down X. Yeah, yeah, I.
Joe Scarborough
Think that's, that's right too. And so, you know, it paid off for him. And, you know, look, I mean, he's been, it's been said since he bought Twitter that this, this app's days are numbered. You know, he's going to tank it. It's not going to be usable anymore. And, you know, some people don't like it now because, you know, it does seem like, it does seem like. I don't know if the MAGA stuff is artificially boosted, but it definitely is more widespread throughout the app than the more left of center stuff. So there are people who developed a distaste for it, but, but it has remained functional and, you know, they have weathered the storm and now it seems like they're through the worst of it. Look, all of these kinds of platforms, I mean, Twitter, you know, like I said, owned by the world's richest man. I don't want to play the world's smallest violin for Elon Musk. No matter what happens to Elon, he'll still have a nice cool two or three billion left over, right? So ultimately he's going to have it pretty good. But a platform like Rumble, I mean, that you really would have feared for the future of a platform like that because they've been the subject of government crackdowns. And yeah, we have a First Amendment, which makes it harder because there's another obstacle in the way of the government sensors. But they can get through that if they want, as we've seen, you know. So, yeah, I mean, it was a, it was a gamble that seems to have paid off, at least in the short term.
Colin Rug
Well, what we're seeing with clearly, you know, they went, they tried Mastodon, they tried Threads, so now they seem to have converged on Blue sky seems to be the lib site of choice. And yeah, I've seen some civilians aside from celebrities decide to go over there. It's not going to succeed for the same reason these previous efforts didn't succeed. We already have Facebook. Like, if you want to go somewhere where you can really curate your experience and not be bothered by random strangers and not encounter opinions you don't like.
Joe Scarborough
Right.
Colin Rug
Facebook just. We already have it. Like, what would you need something like that for? The whole point of a platform like this is the discourse, the debate, the back and forth. If it's all just going to be, yeah, Mamala is making an appearance this week with Oprah. Like, who, who's going to go there? Yeah, like the, these, these die in the wool. Libs will go there, but they're, they don't represent a lot of the public. They just don't. So, you know, and we covered this yesterday. Funny punchline. Blue sky put out, put out a tweet. We're working as fast as we can to get through these complaints because now that the libs went over there, they're getting 3,000 complaints an hour, 42,000 complaints a day. Watch out what you wish for, you might get it.
Joe Scarborough
Yes, absolutely. All righty, folks. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore Show. Keaton Weiss here with Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy until Wednesday. Jimmy will be back on Wednesday. So we are broadcasting here to YouTube and to rumble. One place we are not broadcasting to is Twitch, and that is probably for the best. New Twitch policy bans the word Zionist amid anti Semitism accusations That's right. On November 15, 2024, Twitch pushed out an update to its hateful conduct policy, making specific changes around usage of the word Zionist on its platform. Twitch's blog post clarifies that the world in isolation is not prohibited. The word in isolation is not prohibited. Their typo, not ours. But consequences will be enforced if the term is used in a hateful or harassing manner. Starting today, using the term Zionist to attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief is against our rules, the post reads. We prohibit the use of terms that may not be harmful or abusive in isolation, but can be used as a slur or to denigrate others in certain contexts, similar to other terms that may be used as a proxy for a protected group. We treat Zionists as a proxy for Jews or Israelis. If the word is used in a context to promote harm or violence, or when used to make dehumanizing comparisons or perpetuate anti Semitic stereotypes. So saying you're going to use Zionist as a proxy for Jews is the same as if you say, well, we're going to use Nazi as a proxy for German. If you, if you say the word Nazi, we're going to assume that that means you are attacking all Germans, that that is exactly what that means there. Comments regarding Zionism that are about the political movement, including criticisms, do not violate our hateful conduct policy. Well, that's good. So then you shouldn't abandon the word because that's exactly what the word means. The word Zionist does not mean Jew. The word Zionist refers to a specific political ideology practiced, by the way, by many a non Jew. In fact, Mike Huckabee, the ambassador to Israel, big time goy, as we would say. As we would say, you know, in and around the temple. Uh, not a Jewish man, but a big time Zionist. So what if we were to use the word Zionist in a hostile tone of voice when describing Mike Huckabee? What would that be? An attack on Jews? No. So then it shouldn't be construed as an attack on Jews in any context. It doesn't refer to Jews. It refers to a political ideology, a political movement.
Colin Rug
Which is how they've always described it themselves.
Joe Scarborough
Yeah, exactly. Comments that call for violence against Zionism as a political movement or comments that would otherwise violate our policies are not allowed. This latest update follows accusations of antisemitism toward the platform after it was discovered that users based in Israel and Palestine were prevented from creating Twitch accounts. The platform called the matter an unacceptable miss that it deeply regrets for inadvertently never re enabling email verification in either region. Twitch CEO Dan Clancy also made a statement regarding the discussion, saying that the company stands firmly against hate and harassment of any form. There is no place on Twitch for racism, hatred or harassment of any kind, including anti Semitism and Islamophobia, he continued. Twitch is and will always be about belonging. Each day, people come together on our service to build communities around shared interests and to express themselves authentically. For this to be possible, we work hard to ensure that our community is a safe place. Responses to Twitch's latest hateful conduct update have been negative, with some users calling for the company to fire Clancy. The Anti Defamation League, a non government organization committed to fighting antisemitism, has also responded to the change. Well, what do you think they had to say? In a series of tweets, the ADL commended Twitch for the update, but is remaining skeptical, saying the platform still has far to go. They still have. What's his name? What's Jinx? Hasan Fiker.
Colin Rug
Right. This. This is the funniest thing about all of these douchebag dialogue intellectual dark web types who are Zionists. This is the wokest shit ever. That is the language of the wokesters. Right? Yeah. Well, you still have a long way to go because I'm still deeply offended by your actions.
Joe Scarborough
Right, right. Yeah, exactly. No, it is. It is super woke, super triggered. But they are grateful for the effort. They put out a three part response to this. In the time of dangerously escalating antisemitism, we commend Twitch for changing their policy regarding the use Zionists as a slur and proxy for hate against Jews. We are glad Twitch acted on our recommendation to make this change. However, policy is only as strong as enforcement and we will be vigilant and appropriately skeptical about Twitch's enforcement of this new policy. When one of the largest streamers on Twitch, Hasan Piker spends the hours after the Amsterdam pogrom minimizing its harm without consequence, it's clear the platform still has far to go. Yeah, the Amsterdam pogrom, we've covered that in the past as well.
Colin Rug
Yes, and apparently Zionist Maccabee fans in France lynched. Not to death, but lynched French fans that they had an altercation with there. Yeah, without. Without any consequence.
Joe Scarborough
Yes. Jake Steinberg tweets out. By flagging Zionist as a slur, Twitch conflates Zionism with Jewish identity, erasing dissent and diversity among Jews. That's correct. This stifles criticism of a political ideology during a time in which an ethnic cleansing is being carried out in Zionism's name. Yes, you make the distinction impossible to recognize when you insist that there is no distinction or that distinction, that that distinction does not exist in all cases because of the just horrendous and murderous actions of the Jewish state. There actually has been a spike in very noticeable anti Semitism online, and every antisemite I've encountered online has not been so shy as to use the term Zionist. They're pretty direct and they come out and just say Jews. Right. So like the idea that you have to be so vigilant as to crack down on Zionism as a stand in for Judaism. No, no. If you deal with these people, they pretty much tell you exactly what they mean. In my experience at least. Bake says nobody uses Zionist as a slur, nor does it qualify as one. All Twitch Twitch support DJ Clancy did was make it company policy to apologize for imperial genocide and suppress the voices of its victims and their advocates. This is fascism and you all are a joke. Yes, very well said at two Bakes. Yeah, that's exactly what that is.
Colin Rug
People who took this position are going to have to answer for it later. Yep, this might be the easy way to go now, but you're going to have to answer for it. This is a genocide in broad daylight. In the end, this narrative management, it's not holding now. It's not holding now. Nobody buys that the Amsterdam fight was caused by anti Semites. Everybody knows what actually happened there. The videos are all over online. I still you got all these headlines they're working so hard to push. This is the Are the Amsterdam pogroms the beginning of a new antisemitism sweeping yard? Who's believing this? Who's buying it? They're already losing control of that narrative. And really, as Bricks rises with its set of narratives that match more what most of the people in the world think, it's going to be much harder for the west to control the conversation that way.
Joe Scarborough
Yes, absolutely.
Jimmy Dore
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Joe Scarborough
That'S.
Jimmy Dore
It for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me. Freak out, don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out.
Colin Rug
Don't freak out.
Jimmy Dore
Don't freak out. Do not freak out.
Colin Rug
I'm not getting. Do not.
Joe Scarborough
Do not.
Jimmy Dore
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm.
Colin Rug
Not, I'm not, I'm not.
Joe Scarborough
Freak out.
Jimmy Dore
Do not freak out.
Podcast Summary: The Jimmy Dore Show - "Morning Joe’s WORST Humiliation Yet!"
Release Date: November 20, 2024
In this explosive episode of The Jimmy Dore Show, host Jimmy Dore teams up with guest Colin Rug to dissect and critique recent developments involving MSNBC's Morning Joe, the Democratic Party's campaign strategies, and the evolving landscape of media platforms like Twitter (now X) and Twitch. The episode is a deep dive into the intersections of media bias, political maneuvers, and corporate influence in modern American politics.
The episode opens with Jimmy Dore and Colin Rug addressing a startling incident involving Morning Joe hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski. They analyze a video where Scarborough equates Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler, a comparison that has sparked outrage among viewers.
Colin Rug criticizes Scarborough’s remarks:
“Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from so many people... [Morning Joe] insisted that she run on [specific issues], because Morning Joe... you know, he's a conservative who doesn’t like the woke identity politics...”
(Transcript Timestamp: 04:00)
The duo highlights the hypocrisy in Morning Joe's actions, pointing out that despite their vehement criticisms, Scarborough and Brzezinski met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago to "restart communications."
Jimmy Dore emphasizes the backlash:
“Remember how we said Trump was literal Hitler and he would end democracy and be a fascist dictator? Well, psych. Yes, indeed.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 06:29)
Dore and Rug extend their conversation to a broader critique of corporate media, accusing them of incompetence and prioritizing relevance over truthful reporting.
Colin Rug compares media professionals to incompetent doctors:
“In any other field, if every time you did open heart surgery, they died on the table, they wouldn't keep putting you out there...”
(Transcript Timestamp: 02:25)
The hosts argue that media outlets are more interested in maintaining access and relevance, even if it means compromising journalistic integrity.
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the Democratic Party’s 2024 campaign, specifically targeting Vice President Kamala Harris's campaign expenditures.
Colin Rug underscores the inefficiency:
“Kamala Harris's campaign, which spent $100 million per week during her condensed run for the presidency, is still flooding supporters’ inboxes with requests for cash.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 25:18)
The hosts highlight extravagant spending on celebrity events and digital advertising:
“Among the eye-popping expenses was $1 million paid to Oprah Winfrey's production firm for a town hall event.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 25:18)
Joe Scarborough adds context to the Democratic Party’s predicament:
“The Democratic vote collapsed... they have dug themselves a major hole.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 37:40)
The conversation delves into the lack of effective policy discussion and the over-reliance on campaign finance, leading to donor distrust and financial mismanagement.
Dore and Rug examine how social media platforms are navigating the post-election landscape, especially in relation to political affiliations and censorship.
Colin Rug critiques Twitter/X’s alignment with Trump:
“Elon Musk tweeted out here. Just want to say that we super appreciate major brands resuming advertising on our platform.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 43:58)
The hosts discuss the substantial drop in advertising revenue for X:
“From January to September 2024, marketing intelligence platform MediaRadar found that these brands collectively spent less than 3.3 million on X. This is a 98% year-over-year drop...”
(Transcript Timestamp: 43:59)
Twitch’s Policy on the Term "Zionist":
The podcast critically analyzes Twitch’s update banning the use of "Zionist" as a proxy for Jewish identity, arguing that it conflates political ideology with ethnicity.
“The word Zionist does not mean Jew. The word Zionist refers to a specific political ideology...”
(Transcript Timestamp: 54:15)
They highlight backlash from the Anti-Defamation League and users, emphasizing the complex interplay between free speech and hate speech regulation on platforms.
Dore and Rug forecast the ramifications of current media practices and political strategies on future elections and public discourse.
Colin Rug draws parallels to the Reagan era, suggesting that modern media has similarly surrendered its principles for power and relevance:
“This is why I keep comparing this cultural moment to the Reagan revolution...”
(Transcript Timestamp: 14:45)
The hosts argue that the Democratic Party’s lack of grassroots support and over-reliance on wealthy donors has weakened its position, potentially aligning remaining liberal donors with Trump’s base:
“They have no choice but to change tactics... How are you going to convince them again that the Democratic Party is a proper steward...”
(Transcript Timestamp: 37:40)
Jimmy Dore warns of the Democratic Party’s precarious future:
“Joe Biden stayed in the race as long as he did set them up for disaster... they have a long way out of this hole they've dug themselves in.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 38:09)
The episode concludes with a stern call for media accountability and a reassessment of political strategies to engage effectively with the electorate.
Colin Rug emphasizes the need for sincere policy discussions over superficial attacks:
“The blanket stigmatization of Trump and the Trump movement has been a total failure... they have to engage in a policy discussion.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 10:05)
Jimmy Dore encourages listeners to support the show and stay informed:
“Do not freak out.”
(Transcript Timestamp: 61:00)
Notable Quotes:
“In any other field, if every time you did open heart surgery, they died on the table, they wouldn't keep putting you out there...” — Colin Rug (02:25)
“Remember how we said Trump was literal Hitler and he would end democracy and be a fascist dictator? Well, psych. Yes, indeed.” — Jimmy Dore (06:29)
“Joe Biden stayed in the race as long as he did set them up for disaster...” — Joe Scarborough (38:09)
“The word Zionist does not mean Jew. The word Zionist refers to a specific political ideology...” — Jimmy Dore (54:12)
Final Thoughts:
In "Morning Joe’s WORST Humiliation Yet!", Jimmy Dore and Colin Rug provide a scathing critique of mainstream media’s handling of political narratives, the Democratic Party's flawed campaign finances, and the problematic evolution of social media platforms under corporate and political pressures. The episode serves as a call to action for media reform, political accountability, and a return to substantive policy debates to foster a healthier democratic process.