Norm Finkelstein HUMILIATES & DESTROYS Israel Apologist On Piers Morgan!

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Jimmy Dore Show - "Norm Finkelstein HUMILIATES & DESTROYS Israel Apologist On Piers Morgan!"

Release Date: May 30, 2025
Host: Jimmy Dore
Guest: Norm Finkelstein
Co-Hosts: Keaton Weiss and Kurt Metzger

---

1. Introduction

In this episode of The Jimmy Dore Show, host Jimmy Dore is on the road, leaving co-hosts Keaton Weiss and Kurt Metzger to steer the conversation. The central focus revolves around a contentious new Penn State poll concerning Israeli public opinion toward Palestinians, debates surrounding accusations of genocide, and the broader geopolitical tensions involving Israel, Gaza, and the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Norm Finkelstein joins the discussion, bringing his critical perspective on these issues.

---

2. Controversial Penn State Poll on Israeli Public Opinion

The episode dives deep into a recent Penn State poll that has sparked significant controversy:

• Poll Findings:

  • 82% of Israeli Jews support the forced expulsion of residents from Gaza.
    "82% support the forced expulsion of residents of Gaza." [00:28]
  • 56% support the forced expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel.
  • 47% believe the Israeli army should act like biblical Israelites under Joshua in Jericho, killing all inhabitants of a conquered city.
    "47% believe the Israeli army should, quote, act like the biblical Israelites under Joshua in Jericho, killing all inhabitants of a conquered city." [00:28]

• Discussion Highlights:

  • Kurt Metzger elaborates on the biblical references used by some to justify these sentiments, suggesting that such interpretations promote violent actions against Palestinians.
    "If they’re not all following Torah like that, then guess what? It’s not blessed by God." [02:15]

  • Norm Finkelstein criticizes the poll's validity, asserting that such extreme viewpoints are either exaggerated or fabricated.
    "65% believe in a modern day incarnation of AMC. A biblical enemy of the Jews." [02:34]

---

3. Norm Finkelstein's Confrontation on Piers Morgan's Show

The conversation shifts to Norm Finkelstein's appearance on Piers Morgan's show, where he challenges Benny Morris, an Israeli historian.

• Key Points:

  • Accusation of Holocaust Denial: Finkelstein accuses Morris of being a Holocaust denier, a claim Morris vehemently denies.
    "Mr. Benny. You've reduced yourself to the level of a Holocaust denier." [05:56]

  • Critique of Israeli Propaganda: Finkelstein argues that Morris perpetuates Israeli propaganda, undermining factual discourse about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    "Hamas are the people who invented the automatic renewal on Netflix and all the subscription Services." [02:52]

• Host and Co-Hosts' Reactions:

  • Keaton Weiss and Kurt Metzger express strong support for Finkelstein, highlighting the significance of challenging established narratives.
    "Have you ever heard of the evil? And I condemn him." [51:43]

---

4. Gaza Aid Distribution and Humanitarian Crisis

A significant portion of the episode examines the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza and the controversial methods employed to distribute aid.

• Aid Distribution Challenges:

  • Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF): An initiative intended to streamline aid distribution in Gaza faced immediate backlash and operational failures.
    "The Gaza Humanitarian foundation have conceived to subvert the UN system." [45:20]

  • Operational Failures: Efforts to establish secured distribution points were met with chaos, resulting in Israeli troops firing warning shots and many Palestinians leaving empty-handed.
    "Israeli troops open fire at the area in Rafah." [50:58]

  • Comparison to Concentration Camps: The plan to confine Palestinians in guarded compounds has been likened to concentration camps, raising serious ethical and moral concerns.
    "They are describing concentration camps, right? That is what they are writing about." [46:09]

• Poll Implications:

  • Support for Expulsion: The poll indicates that a majority of both secular (70%) and religious (over 90%) Israeli Jews support the expulsion of Palestinians, highlighting widespread endorsement for harsh measures.
    "70% of the secular Jewish public... expatriation of Palestinians." [48:59]

---

5. Russia-Ukraine Conflict and Trump's Statements

The discussion transitions to international politics, focusing on President Donald Trump's comments regarding Russian President Vladimir Putin and the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war.

• Trump's Critique of Putin:

  • Statements on Aggression: Trump openly criticizes Putin for attacking civilians and describes him as having "gone crazy."
    "I don't know what the hell happened to Putin. He's gone crazy and is attacking civilians." [21:28]

  • Implications for World War III: Norm Finkelstein and Kurt Metzger discuss the potential for escalation into a larger conflict, emphasizing the dangers of nuclear warfare.
    "This is World War III in Moscow offices." [29:04]

• Assessment of Negotiations:

  • Failed Ceasefire: Despite attempts at brokering peace, the negotiations faltered, leading to intensified attacks from Russia.
    "The negotiations stopped short of securing the unconditional ceasefire deal." [22:24]

• Geopolitical Tensions:

  • Germany's Role: Discussion on German Chancellor Mertz lifting weapon range restrictions, potentially escalating the conflict further.
    "German Chancellor Mertz has decided to lift all range restrictions on weapons sent to Ukraine." [29:04]

---

6. Deep State and U.S. Political Dynamics

The conversation delves into the concept of the "deep state" and critiques the current U.S. administration's policies.

• Definition and Origins:

  • Deep State Concept: Kurt Metzger explains the term "deep state," tracing its origins to a Berkeley professor and its implications in modern politics.
    "The term deep state was coined by a Berkeley left-wing professor." [40:13]

• Critique of Biden Administration:

  • Lack of Charismatic Leadership: Norm Finkelstein criticizes President Joe Biden as a "translucent president," suggesting that his administration is dominated by an opaque deep state.
    "Biden provided none of that. You just saw straight through him to Blinken and Sullivan." [39:09]

  • Policy Failures: The hosts argue that Biden's policies have failed to address critical issues, reinforcing the power of entrenched government elites.

---

7. Conclusion

The episode concludes with a bleak outlook on the current geopolitical landscape, emphasizing the failures of leadership, the perpetuation of violent policies, and the suppression of dissenting voices.

• Call for Awareness and Action: Norm Finkelstein and the co-hosts urge listeners to recognize and confront the escalating forces of oppression and authoritarianism.
  "The forces of evil are on the march now and you simply do not have the option to pretend it does not exist." [58:57]

• Final Reflections: The hosts reflect on the persistent injustices and the urgent need for collective action to oppose oppressive regimes both internationally and within the United States.
  "This has gone horribly. It's gone horribly." [40:02]

---

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

1. Norm Finkelstein on Israeli Poll:

   • "82% support the forced expulsion of residents of Gaza." [00:28]

2. Kurt Metzger on Biblical Justifications:

   • "If they're not all following Torah like that, then guess what? It's not blessed by God." [02:15]

3. Norm Finkelstein on Benny Morris:

   • "You've reduced yourself to the level of a Holocaust denier." [05:56]

4. Discussion on Gaza Aid Distribution:

   • "They are describing concentration camps, right? That is what they are writing about." [46:09]

5. Trump's Statement on Putin:

   • "I don't know what the hell happened to Putin. He's gone crazy and is attacking civilians." [21:28]

6. Norm Finkelstein on Deep State:

   • "Biden provided none of that. You just saw straight through him to Blinken and Sullivan." [39:09]

7. Final Call to Action:

   • "The forces of evil are on the march now and you simply do not have the option to pretend it does not exist." [58:57]

---

Conclusion

This episode of The Jimmy Dore Show provides a critical examination of Israeli public opinion towards Palestinians, the complexities of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and the internal dynamics of the U.S. political landscape. Through spirited discussions and confrontational debates, the hosts and guest Norm Finkelstein highlight the urgent need for transparency, accountability, and a reevaluation of current policies to address ongoing humanitarian crises and geopolitical tensions.

Transcript

[Jimmy Dore]

Come see us live in Montreal, Ottawa, Glasgow, Manchester, Belfast, Dublin, London, Liverpool, Birmingham. Go to jimmy dore.com for a link for tickets.

[Kurt Metzger]

Establishment media sucks August lighting, so good luck. Bullshit. We can't afford why he's fomenting this.

[Keaton Weiss]

Watch and see as his jack golf.

[Kurt Metzger]

The medium speeds and jumps the medium.

[Norm Finkelstein]

And hits him head on. It's the Chim Show. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton Weiss and Kurt Metzger here filling in for Jimmy, who is on the road this week. All right, so some new polling out of Israel has come out. Max Blumenthal read through it and put it in this concise. Nice tweet here. New Penn State poll confirms Jewish Israeli society is comprehensively fascist, completely unredeemable and a dire threat to humanity. 82% support the forced expulsion of residents of Gaza. 56% support the forced expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel. 47% believe the Israeli army should, quote, act like the biblical Israelites under Joshua in Jericho, killing all inhabitants of a conquered city.

[Kurt Metzger]

Quick, quick. That one in particular is Gaul. As a guy that had to study a lot of Bible growing up, if you want, you do. They don't want them to act like the Israelites in the Bible or else half of them would be slaughtered along with the Palestinians. Because the Bible ones, you had to. That's why religious Jews, a specific branch, thinks it's blasphemy that Israel is there.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right?

[Kurt Metzger]

Because Israel was promised that. But every time they broke God's commandments, they got their stuff taken away by the Assyrians and the Babylonians and they're always being warned by prophets in the Bible. So it's. Again with this Bible crap. Bill Moore pushes it and he's an atheist and he pushes that. It's Israel's. Somehow 70% of the justification for it is the Bible. If they're not all following Torah like that, then guess what? It's not blessed by God. That's just in the internal logic of the religion.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Ah, yes, good point. See, you have more of education in that than, than I do because you have a background in that. I'm just a secular self hating Jew. 65%. There you go. 65% believe in a modern day incarnation of AMC. A biblical enemy of the Jews.

[Kurt Metzger]

That's really low. It means blood liquors in that language. And they were. It's not. Palestinians are not amc. That's like, that's crazy.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, I mean, I believe in amc. I just think AMC are the people who invented the automatic renewal on Netflix and all the subscription Services. Those are amaz.

[Kurt Metzger]

That's exactly what. What I was gonna say.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, they're Amalek. They're Amelie. Yeah, I mean, you should. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Unskippable ads. Amalek. I like the skippable ads. We could skip it after five seconds. Everything else. Amalek.

[Kurt Metzger]

Don't even let their livestock remain.

[Norm Finkelstein]

No, no. If you. If you're watching one of these videos and you get an unskippable ad, email us and we'll. We'll tell YouTube we have a problem with Amalek. On the platform. 93 of those who believe in Amalek believe the biblical command to erase. Amalek still appl.

[Kurt Metzger]

Be careful with that.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah. 69% of secular Israelis support expelling Gaza's population, and 31% support mimicking the biblical destruction of Jericho. Just 9% of men under 40 oppose all genocide scenarios for Palestinians. Now, Norm Finkelstein. More like Chad Finkelstein. Look at Norm. Look at that guy. God, it's got Chad Finkelstein.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Look how good he looks. I mean, he looks like. It looks like a million bucks. He looks like he's been living in, you know, the Miami for. For the last, like, 20 years. He's thin, he's muscular, and he's always so morbid. I've interviewed Norm, like, three times, and he always gets very morbid and melancholy and reflective on his life. And I only have a few years left. I'm like, look at you. You're not. First of all, you're not that old. You're in great shape. You're. You're. You look tan and rested. I mean, the guy is incredible.

[Kurt Metzger]

Out of New York, right?

[Norm Finkelstein]

Exactly. New York. That's right. He lives in New York, and he looks like that. Imagine he lived in a. A hospitable environment like Austin. What he would look. Well, I mean, look like he's 35.

[Kurt Metzger]

They got a lot of homeless problem here. It's like a little taste at home, actually.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, well, yeah, we have that here, too. Of course. Anyway, here's Chad Finkelstein versus Benny Morris on the Piers Morgan show, where he cites some of these numbers and he calls Benny Morris a Holocaust denier. Good for him.

[Kurt Metzger]

No destiny on this one.

[Norm Finkelstein]

No destiny on this one. But. But Benny Morris was Mr. Borrelli, Destiny's partner during that viral debate. Yeah, absolutely.

[Keaton Weiss]

Fully one half of Israeli Jews believe that Israel should conduct a genocide in Gaza. That's what the poll result showed. 82%.

[Norm Finkelstein]

That's a lie. That is a lie.

[Keaton Weiss]

I Know Vanny, Vanny. Everybody's lying.

[Norm Finkelstein]

There's never been a poll about supporting genocide.

[Keaton Weiss]

This is nonsense.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Mr. Barilli should have went down to Destiny.

[Keaton Weiss]

Okay, Danny.

[Norm Finkelstein]

What is that poll? What is that poll, Norman? It seems a very important poll.

[Keaton Weiss]

That poll you're referring to, it was a university. If my memory is correct, it was a University of Pennsylvania poll.

[Norm Finkelstein]

It was Penn State, but close enough.

[Keaton Weiss]

It was reported everywhere. Benny Morris knows about the poll. He's fully informed of the poll, but he's doing his job as an official Israeli propaganda.

[Norm Finkelstein]

I don't like his government. I'm not their spokesman.

[Keaton Weiss]

You've reduced yourself. You've reduced your. Mr. Benny. You've reduced yourself to the level of a Holocaust denier. It's a real shame.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Good for him. I love this. Because, you know, look, Norm Finkelstein has given his life to this cause, you know, and he's been called a Holocaust denier himself. And so good for him for playing that card, for just shoving it right back in their face.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, dude. When I finally understood the situation there, it wasn't until he came on. I think Jimmy was out and he came on. I can't remember as you guys are. Pasta.

[Norm Finkelstein]

It was pasta. I remember that interview. That was amazing. Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

And he explained it in a way no one has ever explained it to me. And a lot of people has not been explained to them the way that he did it. And more importantly than that, and what I think really has credence to it is he sounded really Jewy while he said it.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, yes. Yeah. He checks that box for sure. No doubt about that.

[Kurt Metzger]

You can't deny that. You can't go antisemitism with that. You can't.

[Norm Finkelstein]

No, but they do, man. They ruined this guy. This. This guy had family killed in the camps, and yet the. The Zionists come after him more viciously than they do. They. The Zionists have more hatred for guys like Norm than they do Arabs. Than they do the Palestinians.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yes.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

I. I had. I dated Israel. She was from Elkins park in Pennsylvania, where they. By the way, they brought all those Ukrainian Nazis and they had that statue to them.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Oh, yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

Israeli. And. And I'm well acquainted with the level of racism and that thing Russell said that the Israelis are the only Jews that aren't. Funny is really a funny line.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right? Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

Look, and I. I know Israelis that the seller is. Is like, Palestine before Zionism. It's a bunch of Arabs and Jews working together in peace that really like each other.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right.

[Kurt Metzger]

And. Well, I never heard the real thing coming out of there. I just heard all these stupid talking points.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right. Well, you're a comic. You know that the. To be funny, you have to be vulnerable. To be funny, you have to have a sense of humor about yourself. And Israelis, not only are they not vulnerable, they detest vulnerability. They see vulnerability as weakness. Right. So they have a special hatred for Jews who in their minds play into that sort of Nebishi, vulnerable, weak archetype, like the Larry David, like the Woody Allen. They hate that. They call them Holocaust Jews, in fact. Right. Because they're Jews who exploit the archetype of weakness. Right. And so. Yeah, yeah, that's why. That's why the Israelis are not funny, because they refuse to be vulnerable.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's like how South Koreans don't like Ken Jong.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah. Unless I am less acquainted with that dynamic. But yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

Too back then. And.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Oh, there you go.

[Kurt Metzger]

They. I think because he showed his little wiener in one of those hangover movies, I think it, like, he makes it look like the stereotypes about.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right, yeah, yeah. Understood.

[Keaton Weiss]

So low. But allow me to continue. The poll show that 82% of Israeli Jews. 82% support a forced expulsion from Gaza.

[Norm Finkelstein]

That's not the same as genocide.

[Tammy Bruce]

That may be true.

[Norm Finkelstein]

That may be true. But that's not genocide. That's not genocide. Now, that's not genocide. What you said before about genocide, total nonsense. Total nonsense.

[Keaton Weiss]

Pierce, you're going to have to ask Benny Morris to please allow me to speak.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Well, Benny, I will let you. He's taking up all the time, though. Yeah. Norman, you must give him a task.

[Keaton Weiss]

Okay, I will finish. I will finish then. One of the leaders of the opposition in Israel described Israeli soldiers as killing children as a hobby in Gaza. Now, yes, he took it back. He took it back after he came under ferocious attack. But he himself acknowledged. When I debated Mr. Morris about a year ago and I said that Israel targets children, he laughed. He thought it was such a funny remark by me. I'm wondering. I'm wondering.

[Norm Finkelstein]

You're talking like that right now. It's just incredible. And he's actually making the argument. He's actually trying to parse ethnic cleansing and genocide as if those are two different things. In this context of all contexts, it is ethnic cleansing project through genocide. They are using genocide as a means to ethnically cleanse Gaza. The end result is to purge Gaza of all of the Palestinian people. In order to do that, they are killing as many of them as is necessary to terrorize and thus drive out the remaining survivors so is their goal literally to kill them all? No, their goal is to ethnically cleanse Gaza. But they are willing and able and in fact are engaged in mass murder on such a scale as to scare the remaining survivors out. So you're really going to parse that as. No, that's not genocide. I mean, it's just. It is unbelievable.

[Kurt Metzger]

I tried to do that. I literally. Because I told you I wasn't comfortable saying genocide. I heard leftist saying it, and I wasn't comfortable with that. I'm like. Well, I said, well, it's an ethnic cleansing just because of how uncomfortable it is to have to look at the truth and say what it is. And the only reason I don't do that now is because after we cover enough these stories, you have to be intentionally lying and being paid with Hasbro money to be able to do that. And I'm not. Right. And that guy. I bet you is. Which is why Norman said that. And that old debate with destiny. Destiny was being. He got coached and he was getting that money and he wanted to sue Norman Finkelstein, but he couldn't because discovery would have shown that it's true.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right, right. Well, let's take a look at Benny Morris here. Can we just get rid of that logo for a second? Thanks. Benny Morris is an Israeli historian who has written several books on the Israeli Palestinian conflict. He served in the IDF as a paratrooper from 1967 to 1969 and was wounded during his service. That's a shame. From 1997 to 2017, he was a professor of history in the Middle East Studies department of Ben Gurion University of the Negev in the city of Beersheba, Israel. So, yes, the Middle East Eye has a report. Nearly half of Israelis support army killing all Palestinians in Gaza. Poll finds. This rehashes some of what we've already read, so we're not going to read much of it, but an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support the transfer of Palestinians from Gaza, according to a poll by Pennsylvania State University. The survey, conducted in March and published by Haaretz newspaper on Thursday, found that 82%, once again, of Israeli Jews support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip.

[Kurt Metzger]

One thing, the thing about Amalek, I can't remember what the number was in the poll. When they say dog whistles, all that, when they're saying Amalek like that, that is a call to genocide, because that's the Bible's. You know, Sam Harris, who. The Bible's immoral because genocide, he goes for that. He's cool with that. That's genocide right there. The Amalek talk. If that was reversed, you better believe they call it genocidal talk.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Oh, yeah, but dude, from the river to the Sea is considered genocidal talk. Now they're talking about after the. The thing that happened there at the. The. The embassy, the counterfeit flag operation. Now they're saying free Palestine is.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah. So I think if that counts.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Genocidal phrase. Right.

[Kurt Metzger]

Probably counts. Does it?

[Norm Finkelstein]

Exactly. Exactly. The same poll showed that the Israeli public also supports the continuation of the full blockade that Israel has imposed on the Gaza Strip since the beginning of March. So now we're talking about withholding of aid. That's something Max didn't get into in his tweet. It found that 53% of the Israeli public think that Israel should not allow humanitarian aid into the enclave. Not only do they think they should not allow aid in, they think it's a really great look to have a barbecue outside the gates separating Israel from Gaza. Here they are. And this is not the first we've seen of this.

[Kurt Metzger]

No, it's not.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Alfredo who got detained in Israel, he did a whole thing where back this was. Had to be either late 2023, early 2024, essentially the same scene. A carnival with popcorn machines and music and just like a. A starving street fair.

[Kurt Metzger]

Because this made me very upset and I related on other shows I went on, somebody started crying when I said it. It's really upset. That's. That's dark, man. But those kids. I'll never forget that because I saw the starving kids in the thing and they purposely had like cotton candy and stuff kids like, so the kids could extra feel it. That's how vicious. That's just like. I mean, that's dark. I. I don't know put it.

[Norm Finkelstein]

No, it is just pure sadism. No other. No other word for it. According to the Penn State poll, support for the mass expulsion of Palestinians from the enclave was also found among 70% of the secular Jewish public, parts of which are considered liberal. Meanwhile, support among the mansortom. I don't even know how to say that that's how bad a Jew I am. I'll have to ask Russell if I got that right. Religious and ultra Orthodox communities exceeds 90%. The sweeping and cross political and social support for the expulsion of Palestinians does not stop at the borders of the occupied Gaza Strip. According to the poll, 56% of Israeli Jews support the expulsion of Palestinian citizens of Israel from their lands. Now, Norm Finkelstein referred to the Gentleman here who criticized Israel for killing children as a hobby. So Israeli opposition leader Yar Galan criticizes killing children as a hobby. And then of course he did take it back after controversy, says Israel certainly does not kill Gaza babies as a hobby. That's the Bernie Sanders of Israel, everybody. Oh, it turns out they're not killing. Oh, sorry, was I, was I not supposed to say that? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. Benjamin Netanyahu understands that those who kill children as a hobby should pay their fair share of taxes. He understands that. He moderated his tone on that. So he took it back. He walked it. Not a normal war. Doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza. Yes. Faroz Sidwa, who wrote that piece in the New York Times talking about how he found in X ray images bullets in children's head. He volunteers at a hospital in Gaza, a heroic man. He just testified at the un which will probably cover later in the week. So there is plentiful evidence of that. Israel murders Gaza's youngest influencer, Yachin Hamad, who'd volunteered her time for humanitarian work and journalism with a smile. That's right. Yakim Hamad, 11 year old activist and influencer killed in Israeli strike. So just unspeakably sadistic and horrible. So everything that Norm said in that debate was validated and everything that Benny Morris tried to throw back at him was debunked. Every single thing. And it happens that way every single time. And I guess enough of these debates happen for the man in the middle there, Piers Morgan, to finally come around and take somewhat of a stance on this. We'll see. We'll see.

[Kurt Metzger]

He sees the writing on the wall and he would never jump ship unless he saw it coming. And I'll bet you it's going to be why so long time ago. Somehow they're gonna be like it was all Netanyahu and LA could, it was all them and you know what a disaster that was. And, but then the crime will be completely done, so it don't matter. You just put it on the last guy and that what I think is that that's how it's gonna go because the crime's already been done, right? They're gonna mop up with the last of the crime is not going to be stopped and then they're gonna go, oh, wasn't that too bad? I, I don't know how they're ever going to recover from this because the, the most damaging thing I Saw was like that barbecue you just showed Tick Tock and stuff. That was IDF people bragging about the maniac things they were doing because they don't want to seem weak. So you gotta be over the top. And back when 911 happened, when I lived in New York, more people would fall for that. Like I would. I mean, we gotta be barbaric to them and stomp on it or any.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Of them to have Howard Stern's famous thing, right? Kill them all, right?

[Kurt Metzger]

Just gonna have a boot on their neck. He said, yeah. And then his Arab driver was like, don't say that. I was like, now we're gonna have to show him real stupid. That's how trauma based mind control works. You're emotional. Then I push a bad policy too, because you're emotional.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, look, you saw that even after the embassy shooting, Chris Cuomo did that monologue where he's like, yeah, now we need to understand it's not about left versus right, it's about us versus them. Meaning once again, the, you know, Muslims, basically, I mean, they, they are just like that post 911 hysteria just gets flipped on like a switch in people. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I was listening to a. One of the talk radio shows, you know, one of the right wing talk radio guys, I forget who, I was like driving around, I had him in the car and this one guy calls into the show and you know, like New York like, you know, blue collar guy, and he calls in and he says, you know, I just want everybody to understand because I know these are very polarized times where the country is very divided and we're all at each other's throats over politics. But I just want everybody to take a minute and step back and understand whether you're black or white or Mexican or Chinese or man or woman or gay or straight, we all got one thing in common. We're not Muslims. That was his punchline. Yeah. And he really considered that, like this MLK kind of Kumbaya kind of.

[Kurt Metzger]

That was 911 spirit that I remember.

[Norm Finkelstein]

And that's exactly what it is. Yeah, yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

The Blackout happened after 911 and the 70s blackout. New York was a riot disaster. It was. The blackout after 911 was one of the best times to be in New York ever. It was just like a block party in darkness. And the whole block, everybody was cool all over the city because everybody's so traumatized from the, you know, the smell of dead bodies was still in the air back then, which is a very eerie smell. And everybody was just united that we're going to go blow up people with hats that, you know, we're calling them hats to not be racist, but we don't think they're hats here in this country. Mr.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to jimmy door comedy.com clicking on join premium. It's the most affordable premium program in the business and it's a great way to help put your thumb back in the eye of the bastards. Thanks for everybody who was already a premium member. And if you haven't, you're missing out. We give you lots of bonus content. Thanks for your support.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Welcome to the Jimmy Doer Show. Keaton and Kurt here for Jimmy. While Jimmy is on the road, power outage has left Kurt being a trooper and calling in on his phone. So here's some news on the Russia Ukraine front. Trump goes off about Putin. I'm not happy with Putin. I don't know what the hell happened to him. He's gone crazy and is attacking civilians.

[Donald Trump]

Be with what Putin's doing. He's killing a lot of people. And I don't know what the hell happened to Putin. I've known him a long time, always gotten along with him. But he's sending rockets into cities and killing people.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Is that right? These are beautiful white people, you know, they're not Palestinians. These are Ukrainian people. It's a wonderful Ukrainian people who's killing. Yeah. I would never support anyone who would fire rockets at civilians. No, not me. Not me.

[Donald Trump]

I don't like it at all.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Okay.

[Donald Trump]

We're in the middle of talking and he's shooting rockets into Kiev and other cities. I don't like it at all. What do you want to do about it? And I'm surprised. I'm very surprised. We'll see what we're gonna do. What am I going to tell you? You're the fake news, aren't you?

[Norm Finkelstein]

You're totally fake.

[Donald Trump]

Any other question? I don't like what Putin is doing. Not even a little bit. He's killing people and something happened to this guy and I don't like it.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Oh, boy. Laying it down. I don't like it. Trump says Putin is playing with fire as Kremlin continues assault on Ukraine. President Donald Trump on Tuesday accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of playing with fire as Moscow continues battering Ukraine in the face of Trump's attempts to broker a peace deal to end the war. What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia. And I mean really bad. He's playing with fire. I thought Russia was winning the war all of a sudden. If it wasn't for me, it's like Joe Pesci in the desert with Robert. They're not taking a piece of your ass. Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

Can you hear me okay, now that I have these headphones, I'm live from Kiev right now. Reporting on the ground.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Reporting.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm on the ground. De things out.

[Norm Finkelstein]

You should do the. What's the CNN reporter who fakes the story? She lied down in the ditch saying that they were following her. Yeah, you should go. You should go hide under your car and do the segment from under your car.

[Kurt Metzger]

I see you a nice. Brian Williams. We're taking fire, Keaton. Putin's war has escalated.

[Norm Finkelstein]

We need Trump to get this under control very quickly. The comments come as part of an apparent change in the Trump administration's approach to the Kremlin. While Trump spent the better part of his second administration lending Putin a more sympathetic view while falsely blaming Ukrainian President Voldemort Zelensky for triggering the years long war. Well, you could take the USAID out of Politico, but you can't take the Politico out of the usaid.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, whatever.

[Norm Finkelstein]

I think I reversed that. I think I fucked that up. I always up those jokes. I always get it wrong. I always get the you should take out of this. I always flip it around. You know what I mean?

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah. Well, they're technically kind of right since it was the CIA in America who were behind that mostly. Yeah, Ukraine has some responsibility, right?

[Norm Finkelstein]

That is true in, in a way. He seemingly reversed course on Sunday, unleashing a tirade on Putin in which he called the Russian leader absolutely crazy. I've always had a very good relationship with Vladimir Putin of Russia, but something has happened to him. He has gone absolutely crazy. He is needlessly killing a lot of people. And I'm not just talking about soldiers. Missiles and drones are being shot into cities in Ukraine for no reason whatsoever. I've always said that he wants all of Ukraine, not just a piece of it. Maybe that's proving to be right once again. Substitute Ukraine, Israel, Netanyahu, Putin. Like, it's amazing how you could be blind to the contradiction of what you're saying. You could say, I don't understand what's going on with Netanyahu firing rockets into cities for no reason and killing people? You know, it hits a little difference, Ukrainians versus Palestinians. Can't imagine what the difference might be. I've always said he wants all of Ukraine, not just a piece of it, and maybe that's proving to be right. But if he does, it will lead to the downfall of Russia. Likewise, President Zelensky is doing his country no favors by talking the way he does. Everything out of his mouth causes problems. I don't like it and it better stop. This is war that would never have started if I were president. This is Zelensky's, Putin's and Biden's war, not Trump's, quote, unquote. I am only helping to put out the big and ugly fires that have been started through gross incompetence and hatred. Trump's change in approach comes after Russia slammed Ukraine with one of the deadliest attacks in months over the weekend, killing at least 12 people in a combined drone and missile attack that struck over 30 Ukrainian cities. The Russian attack coincided with the largest prisoner swap since the start of Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, which saw the exchange of 1,000 prisoners on the same day as Russia's massive weekend attack. Trump had rushed to announce the major diplomatic breakthrough, which was the product of the first US Brokered direct talks between the warring countries, as Trump seeks to follow through on his campaign promise to swiftly end the devastating war. Congratulations to both sides on this negotiation. This could lead to something big. Question mark, question mark? The president wrote on Truth Social, preemptively claiming the success of negotiations he had pushed even before the first stage of the swap had begun. But while the 1000 prisoner swap was a success, the negotiations stopped short of securing the unconditional ceasefire deal that Ukraine had pushed for in the lead up to the talks. And Russia launched its wave of missile and drone attacks on Ukrainian cities the first night of negotiations. Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy chair of Russia's Security Council, responded icily to Trump's Tuesday warning to Putin slowing off the threat that really bad things could happen to Russia and making an ominous comment about a possible World War Three regarding Trump's words about Putin playing with fire and really bad things happening to Russia. I only know of one really bad thing. World War Three. I hope Trump understands this, the former Russian president cautions well. Ukraine battle map tweets out. German Chancellor Mertz has decided to lift all range restrictions on weapons sent to Ukraine if Germany were to send Taurus missiles with the range of 500 km, they would be able to reach important targets. 38 Russian air bases, Russian ships in Novorossiska. I don't know how to say that. And all of Moscow. So we started the live stream this evening by giving Germany some points for finally turning on Israel. But this is the part that they're still a bit slow on the uptake about. So here is Vladimir Putin. If the decision to permit long range artillery strikes deep inside Russia, it will mean nothing other than the direct participation of NATO countries, the USA and Europe in the war between the NATO country, the US and Europe. War with Russia. Good.

[Kurt Metzger]

Awesome.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah. So Megatron breaking Russia is considering hitting targets in Berlin Russia Today Russia is considering hitting targets in Berlin after Mertz authorized Ukraine to strike Moscow with German long range missiles. Margarita Simonyan, editor in chief of Russia Today wrote. So that is pretty terrifying news because there you have it. There you have World War III in Moscow offices. They are discussing that if the German military will strike Moscow with German weapons and permission to strike with Tauruses can only mean this. Since the bosses can neither service them nor enter a flight mission, then we have no choice but to strike Berlin. This is what we were very nervous about when Biden authorized the use of those long range missiles.

[Kurt Metzger]

I remember, I remember that. Well, buckle up.

[Norm Finkelstein]

I guess we're a bigger fish than Germany.

[Kurt Metzger]

You know, I kept wondering why are they so confident with this? You know?

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right.

[Kurt Metzger]

I think, I mean nukes will get used if it comes down to it. But they got worse weapons now that, you know, nuclear weapons were the worst thing ever, but everybody knows about them and how do you really use them? You really can't. So all the new wonder weapons that they've come up with, they don't tell nobody about them, but they have peace readers for weather weapons because we used in Vietnam, Iran accused us of using them. The, the new weapons that are, that are that devastating, they're not going to tell you they have them so they can use them. And I think that's what Trump is alluding to, stuff like that because we don't have hypersonic missiles. I'm always like, how why are you so confident? What will we do? I think he's talking about like the extra secret stuff and if that happens, it's going to be real bad because stuff you didn't know people were developing is going to be deployed and nukes will be just like, you know, a nice toasty day out compared to some of the stuff they have.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Well, he seems conscious of That, I mean, he has. He always talks about, you know, the, the dangers of this kind of apocalyptic weaponry and. Yeah, so obviously this is extremely troubling. A volatile game of chess between Vladimir Putin and President Trump continues. President Trump basically saying he has saved Russia and Putin saying the US and EU by releasing weapon restrictions on Ukraine have entered the war. Trump on Putin sending rockets into cities. We saw that statement already at the top of this. Something happened to this guy and I don't like it. Might it be because just last week, Putin's helicopter was forced to shoot down drones with Putin aboard in an unprecedented Ukrainian drone assault. So it links to this piece here. Vladimir Putin's helicopter was forced to shoot down drones while the Russian president was aboard. A Moscow official said on Sunday. Air defense commander Major Jen Yuri Dashkin told state television that Putin's aircraft was involved in an air defense battle after finding itself in the middle of an unprecedented Ukrainian drone assault. The incident was said to have happened last week when the Russian leader was on a tour of the Kursk region, part of which Ukraine previously occupied. During the period when the president was working in the Kursk region, the enemy launched an unprecedented attack with unmanned aerial vehicles, General Dashkin said in an interview with Russia 24 television. He added, we simultaneously conducted an air defense battle and ensured the safety of presidential helicopters flight in the air. Russian forces destroyed several Ukrainian drones during the operation. General Dushkin claimed. Dashkin claimed, pardon me, the task was accomplished. He said the attack of the enemy drones was repelled and all air targets were hit. So here is President Putin's aide Ushakov on whether POTUS receives full information on Ukrainian conflict. Having all the facts is critical for the right decisions that will bring peace, says Kril Dmitriev. So forgive the rough translation here, but here is this piece of video regarding the statements that Trump doesn't say on camera, but writes himself on social media that Putin is playing with fire, that Russia is sending drones into Ukraine for no reason. Trump says a lot of things. Naturally, we read all of it, we monitor it, don't understand the random quotations and capitalizations. But we often come to the conclusion that Trump isn't sufficiently informed about what's really happening in the context of the Ukrainian Russian confrontation. Specifically, he's not informed about Ukraine's increasingly frequent mass terrorist attacks against peaceful Russian cities. Trump only knows about the retaliatory measures we take. And even then, he doesn't fully understand that we only strike military infrastructure. Infrastructure or defense industry targets. Okay, so that is Putin's aid giving his side of things. And now we're going to hear. Oops, pardon me. There we go. Now we're going to hear Scott Ritter. The west and Ukraine are playing with fire. Scott Ritter warns against escalation with Russia. So now we're going to hear from the English speaking Scott Ritter. So you won't have to hear me read the translation.

[Tammy Bruce]

But the, the fact is, you know, Trump is not an expert on Russia, no matter how much he says, I've been a dear friend of Vladimir Putin for a long period of time. Trump knows nothing about either Putin or Russia, so he's dependent upon the advice he's given by others. And even those who are in the camp supportive of better relations with Russia are not knowledgeable about the reality. J.D. vance doesn't know anything about Russia. I just have to be honest about. Neither does Steve Witkoff. He has the benefit of recent contact with senior Russian officials and an open mind, but he is not schooled in the nuances of Russian reality. Meanwhile, we have other people, such as Keith Kellogg, the former Lieutenant General who's now the special envoy for Ukraine, Marco Rubio, Scott Besant, the Secretary of treasury, all three of whom are ignorant as the day is long about Russia posturing, as if they are the experts on Russia and they have the insights in how to resolve this issue. Trump is a victim of basically the last words whispered into his ear before he goes to bed at night, the first words whispered into his ear when he wakes up in the morning, and he's influenced by that. Mr. Ushakov is 100% correct. Trump is not well briefed. Look, this is a very dangerous situation. I don't know the details of what happened with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Kursk in the terms of Ukrainian drone strikes, but I will say this, that if the Ukrainian drones actually targeted the Russian president, they did not do so in a vacuum, that there would have been assistance provided by the west, which means that the west is targeting the Russian president. And if you read the Russian nuclear doctrine, this is a trigger for Russian nuclear retaliation or preemptive strikes. So this is, you know, who's playing with fire here. It's not Vladimir Putin's playing with fire, it's Ukraine and the west that are playing with fire.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, no lies detected there. No lies.

[Kurt Metzger]

You remember when Tucker did, I watched that whole Russian Putin interview from Tucker Carlson. And, and this is really is a dumb country to live in because all the dippy pundits here were like, oh, he went on about history, the whole, it's just that they're smarter than the leaders here. But one point I'll never forget was he intimated that they have no idea who the hell's in charge of America. They make a deal with somebody, they come. The person comes back and goes, oh, we can't do it. They want to join NATO. Bush and Clinton, oh, I'll be fine. They come back, sorry, you can't join NATO. So that's a strategy on America's part of, you know, Biden being senile and keep the enemy guessing who in the hell runs the country. But they literally don't know. So it doesn't matter if they talk to Trump, he's on. These people aren't in charge. And Russia knows it. And they've tolerated. We've covered it for quite some time on this show. A lot of proxy war, by the way. Lindsey Graham openly saying. Lots of people saying it's a proxy war. So we've declared war on them. And they don't want World War iii, so they've been tolerating it. Putin will have no choice if they keep attacking him like that. He'll have no choice, and they know that. They want World War iii, much like Netanyahu wants that to save his ass. All these scumbags in Europe are the same deal.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, no, that I think, is very well said. I mean, I think that is absolutely spot on. And it seems to. It seems to have a momentum about it that seems to carry itself regardless of certain statements and episodes, you know, that play out for the cameras. I mean, it was very cathartic to watch Trump dress down Zelensky in the Oval Office, but, yeah, look where we are now. This is the worst. Exactly. Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

And, I mean, I had a little. Now, I don't want to call it hope, but I was like, hey, there's a second time in. He saw what they did to him last time and what he's up against, surely. And, like, I like a few Baja things, and, I don't know. I like the sound of things he was saying in the beginning. And now, somehow, we're spending more money than ever before in the military after he had sweet words of cutting it in half. Day one never came for ending that war. And now, instead of ending on day one, we're probably going in. And that's if Bibi can't make us go to Iran first. That's the only competition right now. Who are we gonna go military intervene in first? And all these psychopath warmongers in the Cabal are gonna provoke just the way we did World War II the same way we did the maid on Coup World War II. We made sure Japan would attack us. They had psychological expert to know about the Asian culture of saving face. We went out of our way to antagonize them while they were fighting in China because America didn't want to go to war and we needed to get them into the war. So I don't know if that qualifies as a false flag, but I qualify it as that, you know.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, yeah, no, certainly, certainly. You know, I think because Biden was such a non entity, I call him a translucent president. You saw right through him to the deep state behind him. You know what I mean? He had no presence as a figurehead. The point of the president is to be a charismatic figurehead who can command the attention of the public so they don't see the people making the decisions behind the scenes. Biden provided none of that. So you just saw straight through him to Blinken and Sullivan and then their minions around them. And that, that sort of deep state, which I think is a totally fair term for it, was so visible under Biden because he was such a non entity. And it seems so permanent, it seems so impossible to dislodge them from power that I think a lot of people felt taking a flyer on Trump is the best way to at least get them out.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yes.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Beyond that though, I could not see much reward and I still don't see much reward. I mean, this has gone fucking horribly. It's gone horribly.

[Kurt Metzger]

The term deep state, just so everybody understands that was coined by a Berkeley left wing professor and this was after Kennedy died and he literally wrote the book on the deep state called the Deep State. Peter Dale Scott is his name and he studied the deep state and what it refers to is the coup when Kennedy was killed by the scumbags and oligarchs in the government and it took a village, etc. That's the deep state. A leftist came up with it. Okay. Like it's not a made up thing, it's a, it's a thing that we've been under since, I mean at Post World War II certainly, but after they killed Kennedy, that's the major part. And I would say the Patriot act and then the last stuff Obama did his way out that finished us off. So now you're, you're never getting out of the New World order. Another term that was not invented by Alex Jones, that's the George H.W. bush they call it. Yes, the rules based order sometimes, or the post World War II and that is basically the narrative that the foundational myth. Somebody else said this, I'm cribbing it from, but it was a great way to put it. There's a like George Washington chopping down a cherry tree kind of foundational myth. That's what we've lived in my whole life for the last 80 years was this myth about the Tom Hanks went and fought the good war kind of bullshit. And it turns out it's a little more complex than that. And you. It doesn't mean that Nazis are good. They're not good. I'm still against them and us funding them all over the world still. But that's collapsing. And guess what? These people can never disclose the truth about anything. They just the way BB Netanyahu can never stop this. They've got to run this Birdie Madoff's blood scheme to the ground because they have no choice. Nobody can be transparent, Nobody can come clean ever. Because if people found out the stuff they did, and you can find it out, it's not even top secret. It's been leaked for like last 30, 40 years. You're just not going to look it up. But if people did find out, they know what would happen. It wouldn't be good for them. So everything is a nonsense teaser, from UFOs to finding out the Trump shooters. They're not even going to tell you that. They're going to hide it all because they have to.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton and Kurt in for Jimmy while he is on the road. So Benjamin Netanyahu had to essentially apologize to his own people for agreeing to allow a modicum of aid into Gaza in order to maintain support from the Western allies. Because the optics of hundreds of thousands starving to death was just more than the Western allies could bear. Or so we're told. So here he is explaining to his people how this is going to work. Notice they release the Hebrew language versions of these videos for the stuff that they really don't want the Americans to hear. And then it falls to an American outlet like Dropsite in this case, to actually translate it. Sometimes they'll translate Hill speaking English. Sometimes they'll put it out Hebrew with English subtitles. Sometimes they'll just leave it in Hebrew. And that's this case. So Drop site translated this. So here we go. Since the beginning of the war, we have said that to complete the victory, to defeat Hamas and free all our captives, two intertwined tasks, there is one essential condition. We must not reach a state of hunger, both practically and Politically, they simply won't support us and we won't be able to combine complete the mission of victory. Therefore, we decided to provide minimal aid during the war. And of course we advanced in this way. And we discovered of course that Hamas is looting some of this aid. Therefore we stopped the humanitarian aid and together with our American friends, we decided to implement a different method. The method is distribution points secured by the IDF to prevent Hamas access, allowing American companies to distribute food and medicine aid to the population. It takes time. We are going to set up the first points in a few days and add more later. Unfortunately, to reach situation, ultimately to reach a situation where we have an area entirely controlled by the IDF and all the civilian population of Gaza can come there and receive aid while Hamas gets nothing. So that is the plan according to BB Netanyahu. There's some more reporting on this sweeping overhaul of Gaza aid raises questions of morality and workability. This was four days ago reported on May 24 last year, a group of former US intelligence and defense officials and business executives working in close consultation with Israel prepared a proposal for supplying humanitarian aid to Gaza that would address Israeli government claims that assistance was being diverted by Hamas. In previously unreported internal documents, the group detailed a radically new and ambitious model. It envisioned the creation of an organization called the Gaza Humanitarian foundation that would hire armed private contractors to provide logistics and security for a handful of aid distribution hubs to be built in southern Gaza. That's right.

[Kurt Metzger]

How much you want to bet? Once the hubs are up and anybody who actually goes to those hubs, the idea is going to discover that some Hamas are hiding in those people and they're have to blow them up. Well, you want to put money on it?

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yep. Yep. And you could pretty much see the writing on the wall here. The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. Sonic meets Blackwater. Right. Under the arrangement, which would replace existing aid distribution networks coordinated by the United Nations, Palestinian civilians would have to travel to the hubs and submit to identity checks to receive rations from non governmental organization organizations, NGOs. Eventually, according to the plan, Palestinians would live in guarded compounds that would each house up to tens of thousands of non combatants. Okay, so in plain English, they're describing concentration camps, right? That is what they are writing about.

[Kurt Metzger]

A reservation, let's call it.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yes, a reservation, yes. But as early as November, the documents showed the planners anticipated that the foundation could face potentially damaging questions from the public about its opaque origins, qualifications and moral legitimacy. Those concerns about possible pushback now appear prescient. Oh, do they? With prominent humanitarian Agencies and prospective donors balking. Some senior officers in the Israeli military questioning the plan. And even some people who participated in the foundation's early planning distancing themselves from the project, citing moral qualms over the possibility of that would enable the forced displacement of Palestinians or misuse biometrics.

[Kurt Metzger]

That. I didn't. That. That's the big one right there. What was that stupid orb they wanted people to give their biometrics to? From Altman, I think was putting it out. You get some free crypto?

[Norm Finkelstein]

Oh, yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

Biometric scan. You know all those 15 minute cities you heard about? Well, Gaza was a prototype of that. And this is this. They're going to experiment on them with tech. That's what they're going to do in the camps.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Oh, yeah. No, it's really, really terrifying stuff. The GHF's Gaza 8 operation is expected to launch this coming week. Whether it succeeds and how it operates holds tremendous implications for the 2 million Palestinians who are sealed in the 140 square mile enclave and nearing the brink of famine, according to UN estimates. So let's see how it worked out. Well, that's about how it worked out. I don't have the words for this. For. For the pla. The pain this image brings me. Sorry, can you we put that back up? Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. I don't have the words for the pain this image brings. After 86 days of starvation, they are herding my people into cages like livestock for a meal. Concentration camps in broad daylight. The world watches. Some cheer, most stay silent. But I hope Jews are feeling safe.

[Kurt Metzger]

Maybe if you shut up.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah. Max Blumenthal says this is the aid model. Apartheid Israel and the Zionist controlled Trump administration have conceived to subvert the UN system. It requires Gaza residents to march miles across an active war zone, then be confined in a concentration camp as they wait for a meager supply of food. So don't forget everybody. This is in Rafa, which is in the south. What has been. Their plan was to clear the north. So what they're doing is they're making everybody walk 10, 12 miles south of where they are so they can empty out the north. Oh, you want food, you're gonna have to come south to get it. Why? So we could lock you in the south and claim the north for our own. So that's.

[Keaton Weiss]

That's.

[Norm Finkelstein]

This is the aid operation. Doesn't mean this is just like diabolical evil. It's just like bone deep evil. It does not get more evil than this.

[Kurt Metzger]

The trail of morals. It's Like a trail of tears, but from the most moral army in the world.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yes, the most moral trail of tears, exactly. And just as Kurt predicted, US Aid workers flee the scene after they lost control of aid distribution and Israeli forces open fire at the area in Rafah. Now, this is not my channel. I don't want to cause problems with YouTube, so we're not going to play the volume here, but what you're seeing is people fleeing at the sound of gunfire there. So I can't play the gunshots for you here, but that's the visual of what's going on there. And some people were able to get their hands on some of the boxes of food after the chaos. So predictably horrible rollout, shall we say, of the new aid distribution. Israeli troops open fire as aid group loses control of distribution center. Israeli troops have opened fire near thousands of hungry Palestinians as a logistics group chosen by Israel to ship food into Gaza lost control of its distribution center on its second day of operations. An 11 week total siege and a continuing tight Israel blockade mean most people in Gaza are desperately hungry. Hundreds of thousands walked through an Israeli military lines to reach the new distribution center in Rafah on Tuesday. But the newly established Gaza Humanitarian foundation was not prepared for them and staff at one point were forced to abandon their posts. At one moment in the late afternoon, the volume of people at the SDS secure distribution center. Not sure why it's not sdc, but whatever was such that the GHF team fell back to allow a small number of Palestinians in Gaza to take aid safely and dissipate. The foundation said in a statement.

[Kurt Metzger]

Wait, let me guess. They're getting bad information on numbers from the Israelis. Well, the Israelis want that so that they can open fire.

[Norm Finkelstein]

I mean, this is what Norm Finkelstein said as part of that Piers Morgan interview and debate. He said it would go exactly like this. They're going to hand out a limited amount of aid. They're going to make the Palestinians come to them. They're going to claim that there are combatants in the crowd. They're going to claim there was a riot and they're going to kill some of the crowd to intimidate the rest to go away and they're going to hand out the minimum amount of aid that they possibly can, which is what Netanyahu told his people. Going back to the previous segment where we talked about the poll where most Israelis think it's okay to just starve all of the Palestinians, right?

[Kurt Metzger]

They're mad about this.

[Norm Finkelstein]

They're mad about this. The government, the Israeli government had to come and smooth this over with their people. They had to basically come and apologize. They had say, look, we know you guys aren't thrilled with aid going in, but if we don't let any aid in, the Germans aren't going to send us any more weapons, so we just have to let some aid in. But the goal is, of course, to minimize the amount of aid and maximize the terror inflicted on the Palestinians. It played out exactly as Norm said it would. Exactly as he said it would.

[Kurt Metzger]

Have you ever heard of the evil? And I condemn him. Don't worry Vladimir Putin ever doing anything like this, because I don't remember ever from all the invective again, I don't remember ever hearing anything like this.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Right, yeah. No, that's true. Israeli tank fire and gunfire was heard and a military helicopter fired flares. The Associated Press reported at least three injured Palestinians were taken from the scene, one of them bleeding from a leg wound. The Israeli military said it fired warning shots near the compound to restore control. It was not immediately clear if there had been any injuries among the people trying to get food. Images shared on social media which could not be immediately verified appeared to show people waiting in queues between wire fences since was verified. That's the image that went viral that we showed you a few slides back. These were later partly torn down as people rushed into an open field where boxes were waiting. Some reportedly managed to obtain eight boxes with basic items including sugar, flour, pasta and tahini, but most left empty handed. So let's hear what. Yeah, of course. So let's hear what the Matthew Miller of the Trump State Department has to say. So this, this is, this is Tammy Bruce. So we all remember, you know, the Fat Sagar videos and the Matthew Miller videos where they would get asked questions by the press. Well, here's the Trump version of that.

[Matthew Miller]

The 8,000 food boxes have been distributed so far. Each box feeds 5.5 people for three and a half days, totaling 462,000 meals. And so those are the kinds of numbers, I think, as we're looking at what's important in moving that kind of aid through the area.

[Kurt Metzger]

Right.

[Tammy Bruce]

But there was apparently some incident or incidents today involving potentially shots being at least warning shots being fired.

[Kurt Metzger]

And.

[Matthew Miller]

Yes, Hamas still has weapons. Hamas is in a situation here where all of this could have stopped.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Of course, Hamas was not there. There were no Hamas lining up for food. There were no shots fired by any Palestinian at all. At all. According to every. Even the Israeli government is not claiming that there were armed Palestinians who Fired on the food envoy. Nobody's claiming that except your spokesperson for the Department of State.

[Matthew Miller]

They had released the hostages and put down their weapons, but they refused to do so. They've also rejected ceasefires. So that's without confirming what might be gossip or single reports. The fact of the matter is gossip or single reports.

[Norm Finkelstein]

There's multiple reports, plus video.

[Matthew Miller]

Moss has been opposed to this dynamic. They have attempted to stop the aid movement through Gaza to these distribution centers. They have failed, but they certainly tried. The bottom line is the real story here is that the aid is moving through. And in that kind of environment, it's not surprising that there might be a few issues involved. But the good news is, is that those seeking to get aid to the people of Gaza, which is not Hamas, have succeeded.

[Norm Finkelstein]

And last one, really, it has not succeeded. It has not succeeded. All the reports saying almost everybody left empty handed after walking miles and miles and miles through an active war zone at tremendous personal risk to themselves, many of whom probably not going to be let back to the north because that's the point of doing this, is to corral them all into the south. And she says, yeah, it was a success. See, this is what Bibi wanted. This is what he said. He said, he said to his people, we have to do this so that the Americans will get off our ass, so the Germans will get off our ass. And if we make a show that we're trying to feed them, then we won't have any more problems.

[Tammy Bruce]

Briefly.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah. Can't pay for their own murders. We got to do it.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah, right, exactly.

[Tammy Bruce]

But my understanding is that the administration is not particularly happy with the position that the UN and its agencies have taken with regard to these shipments.

[Kurt Metzger]

Is that correct?

[Matthew Miller]

Well, it is. From the very beginning, we had, I'd mentioned in, we had heard about the resistance by certain NGOs and the UN. It is unfortunate because the issue here is getting aid to Gazans and then suddenly it moves into complaints about style or the nature of who's doing it. Elements of administration and being opposed to getting food and aid, as we've demonstrated here, is happening and will continue to happen. Because someone might feel left out is I think, the height of hypocrisy.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Because someone might feel left out, meaning the UN agencies who can distribute more aid in. It's almost insulting to even say this in a more humane fashion. That's, that's, that those, those are, those are, those are questions of style, according to her. I mean, it's. You, you have to look at this, you know, this is a severe thing to say. I. I don't know how you can look at this and not just feel tremendous shame for this entire country whole.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, I know how. By not looking at it. Yeah, by never looking at it and only looking at. I mean, Jimmy don't like me trashing. But on Twitter I was like, Tim Pool, I was like, are you out of your mind? Like, him talking to that idiot from Adam ruins everything. And losing a debate on America's interest in Israel, which. How do you lose that idiot? Well, by being totally wrong. And that's a deliberate choice to pretend you're in some kind of journalism and avoid this. And I watch a bunch of people do it and. And a bunch of people like, I don't even wanna. It's like the Rick and Morty thing where Rick gets drunk and puts. Talks about Israel and they're like, hey, I don't have a dog in this fight. If you think you don't have a dog in this fight, do you think your money going to pay for this? Is not a dog in this fight. Is everybody stupid? They don't want to know. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

[Norm Finkelstein]

I'll do you one better than that. Do you think the police state that they are building to enforce the narrative around this is not going to be weaponized against you one day? It's not just your money. It's. They are attacking basic constitutional rights on behalf of this foreign country. And that is not going to stop at this issue. You know, part of this big beautiful bill is $45 billion for immigrant prisons. You think those prisons are meant to hold just immigrants? Really? Really.

[Kurt Metzger]

They don't have to tell you why they grabbed you or justify it. After Obama signed away habeas corpus. I didn't hear Trump restore habeas corpus. We're going to keep all that great terrorist act stuff.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

From that, I guess the only non false flag in history. 9, 11. We're going to keep all that. It's not going to come up. Maybe we shouldn't have that. That don't even come up.

[Norm Finkelstein]

No. You can't hide from this. Our friend Misty did an interview recently with a Guantanamo activist named Andy Worthington and he said something pretty profound. He's. Because he was speaking to what you're talking about, Kurt. Whereas a lot of people just want to bury their head in the sand. He says the forces of evil are on the march now and you simply do not have the option to pretend it does not exist. Like that. You're not going to be able to do that for much longer because it's getting very, very oppressive very quickly. And this is the center of it right here.

[Kurt Metzger]

A lot of people. And good on Jimmy for pointing out, because I go on the road all the time, you know, I don't care about slogans like MAGA and stuff, but the people that were part of that, when I talked to him, I know when Jimmy talks to him, they're not on board for this, right? They're pretty horrified by it. They don't understand why none of the things are happening. I think everybody should boycott the whole country just for the Epstein thing alone. Just for the fact that all the day one transparency never happened and the people that did that horrific thing are still in power. And no one. There's no purges, right? No one's purging them. That's strange. You know, China, the commie country, one thing they crack down on real hard, which I'm not against at all, is corruption. They go after a corrupt politician. You will get a worse punishment than a guy that steals your purse. He'll get less out of a punishment. And somebody who does that, they'll get the shot in the back of the head, okay? Because it affects, you know, the. The whole state's legitimacy. And if you check out Chinese, they don't want the government overthrown. They get mad at local. Local government that's corrupt and they want them, you know, executed Chinese style. We don't have anybody advocating us for us to that level here in America with that level of supposed patriotism. Them, there's just no one here. They're all bought out. We're like a shell company.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, Become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com.

[Norm Finkelstein]

That'S.

[Jimmy Dore]

It for this week. You be the best you can be, and I'll keep being me.

[Tammy Bruce]

I'm not kidding.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Do not. Do not.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

[Norm Finkelstein]

I'm not.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm not.

[Norm Finkelstein]

Freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out.