The FACTS Behind The Latest Epstein Victim’s “Suicide”

Summary

Podcast Summary: The FACTS Behind The Latest Epstein Victim’s “Suicide”

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Jimmy Dore Show
• Host: Jimmy Dore
• Episode: The FACTS Behind The Latest Epstein Victim’s “Suicide”
• Release Date: April 30, 2025

Overview: In this episode of The Jimmy Dore Show, host Jimmy Dore engages in a series of discussions revolving around high-profile deaths connected to Jeffrey Epstein’s network, conspiracy theories surrounding these events, and broader topics such as media control, immigration, and free speech. The episode features conversations with guests J.D. Vance, Kurt Metzger, and Stephen Gardner, delving into controversial claims and skeptical viewpoints.

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1. Conversation with J.D. Vance

Timestamps: [00:21] – [06:38]

The episode begins with a phone call between Jimmy Dore and J.D. Vance, the author and Vice President nominee. Vance discusses his recent conversion to Catholicism and shares an anecdote about meeting Pope Francis at the Vatican. Shortly after their meeting, Vance reveals that Pope Francis died the next day, leading him to question the coincidence of the timing.

Notable Quotes:

• J.D. Vance [01:51]: "We talked to the Pope, Pope Francis. And then the next day, he died."
• Jimmy Dore [02:02]: "I know."
• J.D. Vance [05:08]: "The Pope should be white. Jimmy, be real."

Vance expresses skepticism about the official narrative of the Pope’s death, hinting at possible ulterior motives or hidden agendas behind such high-profile events.

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2. Virginia Giuffre's Death and Epstein Conspiracy

Timestamps: [06:38] – [21:09]

Jimmy Dore transitions the discussion to the recent death of Virginia Giuffre, a prominent Epstein abuse survivor. Dore questions the official report of Giuffre's suicide, suggesting that her public denial of suicidal intentions five years prior raises suspicion about the circumstances of her death. He highlights inconsistencies in reports about her car crash and subsequent health issues, implying potential foul play linked to Epstein’s network.

Notable Quotes:

• Jimmy Dore [07:38]: "If you think Epstein's most vocal and outspoken victim committed suicide, then I've got a COVID vaccine I'd like to sell you."
• Kurt Metzger [11:17]: "It's a sad story, really. Must be a story of bullying now."
• Jimmy Dore [15:01]: "Nobody knows the full extent. They never released all the Epstein stuff."

Dore and guest Kurt Metzger discuss the possibility that Giuffre's death was orchestrated to silence her, drawing parallels to the suicides of Epstein and Jean Luc Brunel, who died under similar circumstances.

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3. Discussion with Kurt Metzger on Conspiracies

Timestamps: [21:09] – [36:26]

The conversation deepens with guest Kurt Metzger, who supports the skepticism surrounding Giuffre's death. Metzger emphasizes the need for further investigation, arguing that the lack of transparency exacerbates distrust in official narratives. The discussion extends to other conspiracy theories, including Pizzagate and the involvement of high-profile individuals in child trafficking rings.

Notable Quotes:

• Kurt Metzger [24:42]: "America for security will allow a major child trafficking ring of American kids and never bring the people to justice."
• Jimmy Dore [29:32]: "When you weren’t allowed to question Pizzagate, even ask a question about those emails and about what they're obviously using code terms pizza, and that means they're covering up something."

Metzger and Dore argue that the suppression of questioning related to high-profile conspiracies indicates a broader effort to control the narrative and protect powerful interests.

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4. Media Control and Meta

Timestamps: [36:26] – [60:02]

Dore shifts focus to the influence of large tech companies, particularly Meta (formerly Facebook), alleging that former Israeli intelligence operatives have infiltrated these platforms to manipulate public discourse. He claims that over 100 former Israeli spies and IDF soldiers now work at Meta, shaping policies and controlling content flow to align with specific geopolitical agendas.

Notable Quotes:

• Jimmy Dore [52:09]: "Meta's recruiting of IDF AI specialists is particularly insidious with the proliferation of former Israeli spies and soldiers into US Big Tech."
• Kurt Metzger [57:06]: "All boomers love Israel how they do still."

Dore asserts that this infiltration allows for extensive surveillance and control over information dissemination, furthering conspiracy theories about media manipulation.

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5. Immigration and Free Speech

Timestamps: [46:13] – [62:04]

The episode concludes with a discussion on immigration policies and free speech. Dore criticizes current immigration strategies, suggesting they create divisions among Americans by inciting anger towards immigrants rather than addressing the policies that lead to desperation and illegal immigration. He argues that such tactics are designed to distract the populace from holding politicians accountable for these systemic issues.

Notable Quotes:

• Jimmy Dore [48:58]: "Don't put your ire on the illegal immigrant. Put your ire on the people in power who created them to be that desperate."
• Stephen Gardner [50:46]: "All the Democrats, the party of kindness, they don't give a crap that all these people had to be violated."

Dore emphasizes the importance of focusing public frustration on governmental policies rather than targeting vulnerable immigrant populations, highlighting the manipulation of public sentiment to maintain political control.

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6. Closing Remarks

Timestamps: [60:02] – [62:04]

In his closing statements, Jimmy Dore reiterates the importance of skepticism towards official narratives and encourages listeners to support the show through premium memberships. He underscores the themes discussed, emphasizing the need for vigilance against perceived manipulative forces within powerful institutions.

Notable Quotes:

• Jimmy Dore [61:35]: "Meta is completely taken over by Israel. And now you know the rest of the story."

Dore concludes by reinforcing the episode's central theme: the necessity of questioning official accounts and remaining alert to potential conspiracies that may influence major societal events.

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Conclusion: In this episode, The Jimmy Dore Show tackles controversial topics surrounding the Epstein case, the suspicious deaths of key figures, and broader conspiracy theories involving media control and immigration. Through conversations with guests like J.D. Vance, Kurt Metzger, and Stephen Gardner, Dore presents a skeptical view of official narratives, urging listeners to question and investigate the underlying truths behind high-profile events and policies.

Transcript

[Jimmy Dore]

Come see us on tour. We're going to be in Bakersfield, San Jose, California, Buffalo, New York, Toledo, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Glasgow, Manchester, Belfast, Dublin, Liverpool, Birmingham, and London. Go to jimmy dore.com for a link for tickets. Hey, this is Jimmy. Who's this?

[J.D. Vance]

Hey, what's up, dude? It's JDV.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, Mr. Vice President, what an honor. How are you doing this day?

[J.D. Vance]

Jimmy, I'm gonna level with you. This week has been pretty weird.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, really? How so?

[J.D. Vance]

Well, do you know the Pope? Like, do you know who that is?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, I know who that is.

[J.D. Vance]

Right, okay. Well, you're raised Catholic, right?

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[J.D. Vance]

I'm a. I'm a convert.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, really?

[J.D. Vance]

I didn't know about Pope initially. That there's like a main dude. Yeah, a final boss. Like, in the churches. I grew up in Appalachia, there weren't Popes. There was just the guy who handled the snakes. And I don't think there was anyone above him.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right, but then. But then you converted to Catholicism.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, I did. And, you know, it was a few years back when all this stuff was in the news about child abuse in the Catholic Church and all these horrible stories, and I was like, this is probably the right thing. This is the true church of God. Just the way they denied any accountability or responsibility or showed any remorse just really resonated with me. Spiritual.

[Jimmy Dore]

I see.

[J.D. Vance]

Well, anyway, the other day, my wife, Usha, who's a Hindu, whatever the fuck that is, got to go to the Vatican with the two of us and meet the Pope, Pope Francis. And we talked to him. We talked to the Pope.

[Jimmy Dore]

We. Oh, that's amazing.

[J.D. Vance]

It was. But then the next day, he died.

[Jimmy Dore]

I know.

[J.D. Vance]

He fucking died, dude.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[J.D. Vance]

And you know what? It almost felt kind of personal. Like, I know that's sort of making it about me, but I don't know if you've ever hung out with someone and then they just die less than 24 hours later. It's like, okay, message received, I guess.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm sure it was a coincidence, Mr. Vice President. What did you guys talk about?

[J.D. Vance]

Well, we talked about how he used to call into your show, so we had that in common.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, that's right. I had. I'd forgotten.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah. He was like, it was fun talking with Jimmy. I just got too busy with stuff. And he was all, you know. And he also thanked me for converting to Catholicism. He's like, all the normal people are leaving. We need weirdos like you to take their place. If it weren't psycho adult converts in all of Latin America, we'd be fucked up a tree. I mean, he didn't say that, but you get it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a death including, you know, inducing conversation at all.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, it really wasn't. It was pretty chill, but whatever. He died. And then. But then get this. But then we go to India mainly to do stuff with Usha's family, but I visit with the President of India too. And there was a terror attack while I was there and a bunch of people died. I'm like, what the heck is going on?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, that's strange.

[J.D. Vance]

Who am I? J.D. vance, bringer of doom?

[Jimmy Dore]

Is it mess I got? I guess. I imagine so.

[J.D. Vance]

And the terror attack is for the dumbest reason I've ever heard. It was in Kashmir. And Usha explained all this to me. But that region wants to be a part of Pakistan instead of India, and that's why they're terrorists. That's what they're so mad about. Like, who cares? Both those countries suck. What does it matter what non American country you're part of? Kashmir. And I asked Usha, how is Led Zeppelin involved in all this? And she said, they're not. I'm like, well then this is stupid again.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

[J.D. Vance]

I haven't said anything in a while that made people mad. Maybe this is God's way of telling me to get back on the stick again.

[Jimmy Dore]

I doubt that.

[J.D. Vance]

How do you know? Maybe God wanted me to make the Pope mad with something I said. Like that could have saved him somehow. Like I say, we're going to start executing gay people in America and you need to say you support that and he gets so mad, it like gives him a new burst of life.

[Jimmy Dore]

I don't think that's preventing a stroke. That's. That's not how preventing a stroke works, jd.

[J.D. Vance]

Okay, whatever, Quincy. Me, I'm sure you know, but seriously, enough traveling. Gotta stay here and piss off countries again. Also gotta pay attention to who they choose for the new Pope.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh yeah?

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah. I'm a Catholic convert, so that means I'm like a weird fanatic. Like one of those Catholics who's like, I disapprove of the choice of Pope. I should get to choose the Pope.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, those people.

[J.D. Vance]

Maybe that'll be how I get people mad. This new Pope is too liberal. He doesn't hate gays, so he's not even a real Catholic according to me recent convert JD Vance. Plus there's some black and other non white candidates for the papacy. Could always go with a DEI angle if they get chosen. Oh, great, the Vatican's gone woke this shit rights itself.

[Jimmy Dore]

Honestly, there are non white Catholics. What's wrong with that?

[J.D. Vance]

The Pope should be white. Jimmy, be real. If they choose the popes of color or whatever, how do we know that they are as qualified as the white candidates for Pope? And if they're not qualified, you're looking at a disaster of a papacy.

[Jimmy Dore]

How. How are the quality. What are the qualifications to be Pope anyway?

[J.D. Vance]

Be white.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay. Nice circular logic you got there.

[J.D. Vance]

Such are the mysteries of faith. This phone call has been a blessing, but I must go. I'm going to prepare a super conservative statement before white smoke appears. White smoke. By the way, I should tell you something so it's ready to go when they announce it. Now, the statement that will only appeal to the types of Catholics that are, whatever Mel Gibson's dad is like Wahhabi is. Catholics pissing off modern Catholics should be pretty fun. I mean, how many of those could there be out there? All right, dude, have a great summer. Go yourself.

[Jimmy Dore]

So the headline is, virginia Guthrie, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent abuse survivors, dies by suicide. Is. Is there really anybody working in MSNBC who. Who believes that There can't be. That's my conspiracy. How about that? So just to recap, instead of Trump and Pam Bondi releasing the Epstein evidence being being suppressed, one of the victims was suicided. No, you shouldn't. You shouldn't be suspicious at all that she's talking. Well, here. Here she is, because why is this suspicious? So there she is. The media immediately jumps to, it's a suicide. She tweeted this out in 2019. December 10, 2019. So about roughly five years ago, I'm making it publicly known that in no way, shape or form am I. Actually, that's more like four years ago. Right. I'm not good at math. I'm not a math surgeon. I'm making it publicly, alone, that in no way, shape or form am I suicidal. I've made this known to my therapist and my general practitioner. If something happens to me in the sake of my family, do not let this go away and help me to protect them. Too many evil people want to see me quieted, so why should we be suspicious? Just that she's talking about the fact that she isn't suicidal and that evil people want her dead. Like, why would the same people behind Jeffrey Epstein want one of his victims dead? It's. What, are you going to put your tinfoil hat on a little too tight? And by the way, where the f Do you get tin foil these days? It's all aluminum, right? I got to go back to 1913 just to get tin foil. I'd love tin foil. Aluminum's no good. Tin. I'll take tin. And by the way, if you could go back to 1913, what would you do? That's my. That's my big question.

[Kurt Metzger]

1913. Stepping a lot of horseshit, probably.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, probably. By the way, a lot of people say right before they suicide themselves that they're not suicidal. That happens all the time. That's called a cry for help, if I'm not mistaken. Am I right?

[Kurt Metzger]

For no help.

[Jimmy Dore]

So what?

[Kurt Metzger]

I cry for no help.

[Jimmy Dore]

Here's what I tweeted out. I said, virginia, go free. Tweeted she was or Gouffrey was not suicidal. She knew they were going to kill her. The Mockingbird media immediately reports she committed suicide immediately. If you think Epstein's most vocal and outspoken victim committed suicide, then I've got a COVID vaccine I'd like to sell you. That's me being cheeky.

[Kurt Metzger]

Can you just give it to me for free?

[Jimmy Dore]

I think so. So here's a little bit of the story. So her life certainly fell apart since she tweeted that out. Since she tweeted out she's not suicidal, a lot of sketchy things happened, right?

[Kurt Metzger]

Like six years.

[Jimmy Dore]

She got into a bus crash. A bus crashed into her, rendered her. She said it was going 70 miles an hour. I've never seen a school. A school bus go 70 miles.

[Kurt Metzger]

110. Said 110.

[Jimmy Dore]

Did she?

[Kurt Metzger]

It was not.

[Jimmy Dore]

There's no way that could be so. And then she didn't even go to the hospital that day. She went the next day. And then at the hospital, she said, the doctor said, I have four days left to live because of my kidney thing. Well, what. First of all, what doctor says four days? But there's a lot of speculation that because her marriage had fallen apart of 22 years and her kids were taken away from her, that she was being desperate and she was tweeting out that she's on death's bed so that her kids would come visit her. That speculates. All speculation, but unreasonable, not unreal. Of course it's not unreasonable. So here's what I got this from the Gateway pundit. The New York Post, however, reported that the crash was minor and that a mother of one of the children on the school bus reportedly said, I don't know what's true and what's not true, but I do know the injuries are not from the bus incident. So she had all these injuries, she had all these bruises and what have you. Giuffre was sexually abused by Epstein and Maxwell from 1999 through 2002.

[Unknown]

When we say sexually abused, let's be clear. She was raped repeatedly.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. She said she was passed around like a candy dish after she met the couple in Florida and was lured into their scheme as she attempted to straighten out her life. She was a victim of sexual abuse as a child. So that's exactly the kind of people they prey on. Right. Giuffre said that she was trafficked to many high powered friends of Epstein, most notably Prince Andrew and French modeling mogul Jean Luc Brunel. Guffrey sued Prince Andrew in 21, leading to an undisclosed settlement in 2022 while maintaining he never had sex with her. Yeah, okay. That's why you.

[Kurt Metzger]

And he doesn't sweat. Here's his two.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right. Remember that? He doesn't sweat. That was his biggest.

[Kurt Metzger]

Like a dog.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. So guess what? That guy Brunel was charged with sexual harassment and the rape of a minor in December of 2020. Giuffre testified against him in Paris in June of 2021. While he denied wrongdoing, he died, allegedly by suicide. Epstein died of suicide, Brunel died of suicide. Now the accuser died of suicide.

[Kurt Metzger]

It's a sad story, really. Must be a story of bullying now.

[Jimmy Dore]

That I think of it. So he died of suicide while in pre trial detention. Sounds just like Jeffrey Epstein's suicide, isn't it? He was in pre trial detention and he. And they. And he died to say he killed himself. That's a little chagrin.

[Kurt Metzger]

What's the chance there?

[Jimmy Dore]

What are the chances that that would happen? I'm gonna guess, I don't know, 100%. So they were. So it looks like they were afraid Brunel was gonna spill the beans, so they suicided him. Okay, so there's lots of. So there's nothing clear about this case. I'm not saying she didn't suicide herself. I'm saying that I don't know how anybody could be sure. Now, our good friend Ryan Dawson, who's a friend of the show, he makes a compelling case here. He says Virginia Giuffre, her kidney failure wasn't from the car crash. Going to the hospital because of a car crash serendipitously alerted doctors to her kidney condition. That was already terrible because I guess she was taking pills for years. She was taking opiates and opioids and those mess up your Liver.

[Kurt Metzger]

You know what kind of pills it was?

[Jimmy Dore]

No, I do not. Do you?

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, no, I've never. I never saw where it says. I just see pills.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, different pills. They told her she had about four days to live if she didn't get treatment. She wanted to see her kids. No one came. Her kidneys were most likely dying from pills. In the sexual abuse. From looming divorce. From sexual abuse plus a looming divorce plus being separated from her kids plus tabloids attacking her was killing her. She self medicated. She died last night, April 25, on her farm in Australia. And he says, I know people are making a picture of a post she made six years ago. It's not six. It's about five. It's about five years, right? Five, four or five.

[Unknown]

2019. 20. 25 years.

[Jimmy Dore]

December of 2019 would be about five years, right? Yes. Okay. Saying she'd never kill herself. That was before losing her husband of 22 years and three kids. She said two weeks ago that she was ready to go and just wanted to see her babies one last time. She posted the song. Somebody that I used to know that song. Somebody. Somebody that I used to know.

[Kurt Metzger]

Elliot Smith. That's very. That is a kind of strong evidence if you post Elliot Smith music.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, he also committed suicide. Elliot Smith. Right.

[Kurt Metzger]

That some people don't think was suicide, but.

[Jimmy Dore]

You're kidding.

[Kurt Metzger]

I have no idea. Oh yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay. She posted a black screen with a broken heart emoji. Ok. He goes on to say, stop saying Virginia was killed. You are scaring the shit out of the other victims. I've been calming down panicked women all day. This isn't some joke. Think before you write stuff. These are real people. Virginia has a family. I really hate conspiracy kooks like purposeful disinformation.

[Kurt Metzger]

I don't know why you would have that feeling. Because how are people to react? We didn't get the evidence we were supposed to get.

[Jimmy Dore]

We didn't get it and now she's dead.

[Kurt Metzger]

So you know, both things are still plausible. I honestly am not sure because it could have been that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, so he says, trust me, you don't. You don't know the full extent of the story. Trust me, you don't.

[Kurt Metzger]

I know. That's why every suspicious.

[Jimmy Dore]

Nobody knows the full extent. They never released all the Epstein stuff. And anyway, so keep going. And you don't have. You don't have to, but you do know that you don't know, so stop flippantly guessing just because it's good for the memes. That's not why I swear our social society is pure rot. People will do anything for clicks. Stop monetizing other people's suffering. Virginia was, was absolutely heartbroken, devastatingly hallowed. She is a huge reason why Epstein and Maxwell and Brunel all landed behind bars and why Prince Andrew lost $16 million. She did great damage to the pedophile network, but they also did great damage to her. Don't lie about her life or her death. No, I'm not lying. I don't know, I guess maybe other people are.

[Kurt Metzger]

He's talking about clip like on Twitter, on X people will post real like crap. You know, there's like aggregators like that Kong dude from Malaysia.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ok. She had kidney problems and that's not related to the bus accident. It's just something they discovered because of the accident. She wasn't doing well. And that's all I will say. And it's not a surprise to me at all that she took her own life. She had a five year nightmare with serial rapists. Honor what she did. She took them down. I do honor what she did. It damaged her other things too. Did too. But this was a broken and rebuilt person. She jailed three of them and sued others. She brought closure to hundreds of women. She took on teams of lawyers with nothing and one. Never forget her courage and sacrifice. Rip, I, I'm not, I am not, I'm not for. So I'm sure there's. He's speaking to other people. Hopefully.

[Kurt Metzger]

I'm still angry that I don't know all. Why do we not know still? What is this?

[Jimmy Dore]

So I, I, I certainly don't know either way now maybe Ryan has inside info that he, he hasn't released. He said I'm not gonna release, that I'm not. That's all I'm gonna say. So. And maybe if I had that information I would think differently. But I don't know what to think. Yeah, but I do know there's lots of suspicious suicide then Pete. So the theory is like, well, why would they kill her now? She already told her whole story, by the way. Guess where she got trapped. Guess where, where Epstein met her. Do you know where Epstein met her? Mar. A Largo.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh yeah, right.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's where they got her. That's where they.

[Kurt Metzger]

Melania might be one of those brides that he developed for rich people.

[Jimmy Dore]

So they, that's where I don't, All I know is that that's where that they met her. And I think it's okay to speculate about this case. She's dead, so it's not going to hurt her. And I don't. I don't think it's crazy or irresponsible. You have to report it, and then you have to report that being skeptical of the official story doesn't make everybody a crazy kook.

[Kurt Metzger]

And sounds like he's talking to somebody specifically that he saw to me.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure he saw a lot of garbage. So I immediately under. By the way, underneath my post. I immediately put his post there. I was like, hey, hey. Ryan Dawson says I got this wrong, and he makes a compelling case. So it wasn't like I was trying to just tell one side of the story. I'm like, oh, here's the other side of story. And so there's, you know, figure, look.

[Kurt Metzger]

The bottom line, that's crazy. Okay? Even if, by the way, let's say his scenario that he said, and maybe, like, he has the knowledge of it, I still count that as them killing her. You know, if you got so damaged that you.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[Kurt Metzger]

Did enough pills to destroy your kidneys, you don't find out till minor accident. Obviously. What our national security did to her is really like, to. I don't know. To me, that's 100% to blame. I'm not 100, but 99%. And the fact they're not coming clean with it is like, that's spitting on whatever she did more than anything. And because we were supposed to. Ben had known that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, of course, we also know, Kurt, that Epstein was working with Israeli intelligence, right?

[Kurt Metzger]

No, I'm not comfortable with that. I'm like, no, I don't like that, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Dore]

So I would always say Mossad, but Whitey Webb, or do you say Whitney? I like to call her Whitey.

[Kurt Metzger]

I say White Knee Whitney.

[Jimmy Dore]

She said that Epstein was working more with their military intelligence than the Mossad. So whatever. It's military, so Israeli intelligence. I'm sure the Mossad works hand in hand, hand in glove with the military intelligence. So it was Israeli intelligence. So. And we don't forget.

[Kurt Metzger]

Jimmy, what's her name? Still alive. Ghislaine now?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, Ghislaine's still alive. Why isn't she dead?

[Kurt Metzger]

I bet Epstein would have played ball and kept his mouth shut. Ghislaine was in charge. Her dad got a hero's funeral in Israel after they killed him, right? He got a hero's funeral. She was in charge, not Epstein. He clearly worked for her because he's dead. You know, she's some kind of important bloodline is what that means. Like her, she's too important. Otherwise she'd be dead too.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's a very interesting theory.

[Unknown]

How do I really know that she's in jail? Jimmy, I want.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, that's. I've always thought that.

[Unknown]

I want to add.

[Jimmy Dore]

I always thought that. They say she's in jail just like they say that Epstein killed himself. It's like, what. How do you. How do you know she's actually in jail? It wouldn't surprise me. Crazy. Way crazier things have happened than the deep state lying, saying, oh, no, she's in jail and she's not. I'm not saying she isn't in jail. I'm saying that it wouldn't surprise me if I found out she wasn't.

[Unknown]

And what is she in jail for if they don't reveal anything that happened to those people?

[Jimmy Dore]

She's in. She's in jail for trafficking young girls to very powerful men. Except we don't know who any of the powerful men were, but they got her for doing it. But who did she do it with? Who were the men? Well, I guess we'll never know.

[Unknown]

So I just wanted to add this really quickly. The Daily Beast just released the information, a story about Virginia, and they were saying how her lawyer, Carrie Louden, cast her doubts over Giuffre's death, claiming that there are big question marks over it. Quote, she was in a lot of pain, but she was looking forward to things in the future. She wanted to renovate this house and all sorts of things like that. Louden, who had represented Giuffre since January, told the Sun. When I got the phone call, I was like, are you joking? Because there was no sign that that was something she was considering. We've got big question marks over it. Not going to speculate whether it was a suicide or accidental.

[Jimmy Dore]

So drug abuse? Yeah, it could be.

[Kurt Metzger]

No, it's not suicide either way, because his thing is drug abuse. Long term drug abuse. What he's saying, that's. I wouldn't call that suicide. Would you?

[Jimmy Dore]

So her. Her own lawyer is saying that there's doubt about this case, so no shade to Ryan. Big fan of Ryan and his work. And again, like I say, friends of the show. I admire his work. He's does good. So I'm just saying that, you know, I. And I'm not saying I disagree with what he said. I'm just saying that there's. It's. It's. It's okay to question this. It's super sus, as the kids say, and we want justice and and it's what's also sus is that the people who ran and campaigned on releasing the Epstein information pretended they released it to those, you know, handful of conservative influencers and they did it.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah, you would have thought the shame would have drove some of them over the edge.

[Jimmy Dore]

So this is. This, you know, Brunel's suicided. She suicided Epstein. Suicide. Come on. And somehow Ghislaine not suicided and she's supposedly in prison. I would like some. Isn't it weird that she doesn't do it and she's not doing any interviews from prison? Isn't that also interesting? I mean Charlie Manson did interviews from prison his whole life.

[Kurt Metzger]

She did one. Did she? Oh yeah. Oh, she did, yeah. People have been and seen her now. It's very possible she's living quite well as part of the deal in that prison. People that are in prison like that, notoriously for years, like the mafia hitman used to get furloughs. So there's no telling what kind of sweetheart stuff without even sneaking it just legally they can do. Because they did it for Epstein. If you remember, Epstein could leave his prison the first time.

[Jimmy Dore]

The first time. That's right.

[Kurt Metzger]

So it's not like she's not in prison. But you think she's getting bad. You think she's not getting something a little extra good?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, yeah. So somebody certainly doesn't want this getting out there and. But I'm sure everything is just the way it looks. I'm sure everything is just the way it looks. Now go about your business. Nothing is chose over folks. Nothing to see here. So I don't think that. I think that we need a lot more answers. I think we need a lot more investigation and I think we need people. I think it's okay to be skeptical of the official story. I think it's 100 okay to be. Especially this. So yeah, it's kind of a look.

[Kurt Metzger]

They're classifying it. This is again, Dave Smith said this to me. I don't know who was. It was a great point he made. Okay, so there's a child trafficking network here which that should be just eradicated immediately. But you're saying you have to hide the identities of the very important powerful people for national security and that's what America is worth. America for security will allow a major child trafficking ring of American kids and never bring the people to justice. That's what your country is.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Not a legit. So now you know why also they had to come down so hard on those. What was it called the Pizzagate. Right. And so if you've ever.

[Kurt Metzger]

That has not been debunked.

[Jimmy Dore]

That has not been debunked. If you've ever. Kurt. Now, didn't you have information that the guy who shot up Pizzagate, that went.

[Kurt Metzger]

Just public information. He shot a hard drive in the closet.

[Jimmy Dore]

He went in and shot the hard drives at that pizza parlor.

[Kurt Metzger]

It was an accident, I guess. I don't know. Then.

[Jimmy Dore]

And then, and then what happened to that? Then that guy got released with no charges.

[Kurt Metzger]

People in January, six were in jail for how many years?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, right. For 20. Some of them, 23 years.

[Kurt Metzger]

This guy got out a week later.

[Jimmy Dore]

So the guy who shot. So the guy who shot up that.

[Kurt Metzger]

Pizza place, out of work, actor. He. That's his job. Not. I'm not saying that he got let.

[Jimmy Dore]

Out a couple of weeks later.

[Kurt Metzger]

And then just at Christmas, he gets killed by the cops.

[Jimmy Dore]

Then just last Christmas, he gets killed by the cops in a shootout.

[Kurt Metzger]

So, yeah, there's a lot of strangeness. Also, the guy's name, James Elephantis, that is not a real name. And if you look up what his name looks like in French, which is like Jaime Font, it means I love the little babies. So he gave himself a fake name. There's a lot of weirdness.

[Jimmy Dore]

There's a lot of. Yeah, so the, the biggest weirdness is, comes from these Podesta emails. If you ever read those, when they talk about, hey, we're going to fly in $50,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs, Obama's flying in, in. And then, hey, if you, you know, you guys could go for a swim with the kids and have a pizza, you get all this pizza, pizza, pizza. So, so definitely whenever you're not allowed to question something which you weren't allowed to question Pizza gator, you were just, just like Seth Rich, just like, just like Covid, just like the vaccine, just like the Wuhan virus. Just you're not. When you're not allowed to question anything, no normal questions, then you know they're covering up something. So when you weren't allowed to question Pizzagate, even ask a question about those emails and about what they're obviously using code terms pizza, and that means they're covering up something. I learned that firsthand from Seth Rich. How hard. If they come down so hard on you for just asking normal questions that anybody, a normal person would have. They're covering up something. So there was. Definitely. So, of course, maybe it wasn't that. Maybe it wasn't a child sex ring with the Pizzagate. But they wanted to squash anything every. Anybody talking about a child sex ring because the government was running one or the. With Jeffrey Epstein because they actually were running a sex shot. A child sex trafficking ring. They actually were. And then there's. And now there's Diddy. So it's all, and again, it's all over the place. So they didn't want people, they wanted to make it toxic to ever ask a question about a child sex trafficking ring being connected with the powerful people running the world. Obviously there was at least one.

[Kurt Metzger]

How about Mark Dutroux? How about in the 90s when all those Belgians were out in the street because their royal family and people high up were in a network with that Mark Dutreux who was even worse than Epstein. That was a huge news that I had never heard until you had Whitey Webahn and she talked about it. These are all connected. They're all connected and they go back a long way. Just like the drunk running. Just like the CIA.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right. That's exactly right. So. And the guy who exposed the CIA running crack in Los Angeles committed suicide. How? He shot himself in the head twice. That's, that's the legit. That's the official story. Shot himself in the head twice. Okay, so I, I'm just saying that I, I, I think it's a okay for you to be skeptical of the. Because the lawyer is her own lawyer. Skeptical. It's a okay to be skeptical of it. And why aren't they releasing all the information on Epstein? Because it has to do with Israel. That's 100%. Why. And maybe, maybe even who knows. Who knows if Trump is in, in implicated. They, they met at Mar A Largo. There's millions of pictures. He knows. Everybody knows. He was buddy buddy with Epstein. So was Clinton. And how many times did they fly on that Lolita express and go to the. So that's too many powerful people, including Israel. So it's 100% legit to be skeptical of this story and ask questions because this. Even though, again, even her own lawyer is skeptical of it. So I got to go. We have a guest blotting out the.

[Kurt Metzger]

Sun right now in uk. So right now I'd say all things are on the table. As far as craziness. I understand hating disinfo people because the Pizzagate thing you brought up when Hillary's emails were out, people. And I think this is on purpose. I don't think that someone's stupid. I think on purpose they're putting out fake Emails where she's like, oh, it's sacrifice night. And that's a debunked. Is debunked. But that's what they do. They muddy the water.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right.

[Kurt Metzger]

Sense things. 9 11. Oh, it was a hologram. The plane. You could hear people saying stupid stuff. And what I didn't know the time is there's people on purpose doing it. Yeah, but if you, if you on your own think the wrong thing, I don't.

[Jimmy Dore]

So when people pull out, so. So when you got guys like Kurt Weldon, who's very credible, was next in line to be chairman of the Armed Services Committee. And then the FBI sabotaged him because he started asking questions about what actually happened on nine. So now he's coming out. He was on our show. Over a million views. He goes on Tucker Show, 5 million views. And so now this skepticism about 911 come out. Now you see people start tweeting, oh, the planes were holograms. So that's to try to discredit anybody who's asking questions. That's what Kurt is saying. And that certainly makes sense. So they try to make. So they do that. That's why they call the people truthers. Right. They even made the word truth toxic. Oh, you're a truther. You mean I'm a lawyer. You mean I'm ask. I'm asking actual legitimate questions. You mean engineers. Hundreds and hundreds of legit engineers, the head of the engineering department at the University of Alaska, they're all saying that didn't. Those buildings didn't come down the way they said they did. So they have to make that toxic.

[Kurt Metzger]

One of these guys. So they're asking questions.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, so they have to make that toxic. Right. Just like during the anti war movement in the 60s, they, the CIA and the deep State had to influence the. Oh, look, it's just the hippies. It's these scummy drug addict hippies. Before that, the anti war protesters were all people in suit and ties. And then they all know it's just these scum. So that's exactly what they do. They try to discredit anyone who's onto their guard and onto their shit.

[Kurt Metzger]

So Jimmy, I'm sure, I mean, I'm sure the. There's no, there's no nothing to this coincidence that all the thought leader, cult, counterculture musicians that drove that were all the sons and daughters of military and all of them. I'm sure there's no reason for that.

[Jimmy Dore]

No reason. All of them. Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a Premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to jimmy door comedy.com clicking on join premium. It's the most affordable premium program in the business and it's a great way to help put your thumb back in the eye of the bastards. Thanks for everybody who was already a Premium member and if you haven't, you're missing out. We give you lots of bonus content. Thanks for your support.

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[Jimmy Dore]

Supply remember when the they used to talk about the rule of law? Remember when it was Trump and he was being prosecuted? It's all about Nobody's above the law. And it turns out that when when Joe Biden said nobody's above the law, I didn't realize that Hunter Biden's nickname was Nobody.

[Stephen Gardner]

His middle name.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, so here's David Brooks. He's just a run of the mill establishment liar. How about that? And here's what he it's he says he doesn't know the specific details of the Judge Dugan case, but he says she's heroic. Okay, okay, okay. Here, let's listen to him say it.

[Unknown]

Well, obviously they're trying to send a note of intimidation not only to her, but to all judges and maybe to all Americans.

[Jimmy Dore]

Or maybe they're just trying to enforce the law after the judge legit let a criminal go out the back door. A secret non public entrance and exit. And everybody knows that. Everybody knows it now, right? The CNN is admitting it, MSNBC is admitting it, even the New York Times. I guess he didn't get the memo over at the New York Times.

[Stephen Gardner]

Just chaos over there.

[Jimmy Dore]

Just chaos. It's chaos and he's escalating the chaos. It's weird. So let's listen.

[Unknown]

Well, obviously they're trying to send a note of intimidation not only to her, but to all judges and maybe to all Americans. But I don't yet know the specific details of this case. Whether she escorted the guy out the jury door or whether she's let him or it's. So that's all mergedo to comment on this.

[Jimmy Dore]

So escorting a guy out the door is different than letting the guy out the door evade the police. Again, we're talking about a guy who was already once deported from the United States, snuck back in, which is a felony, and now is in court appearing. Why? Because he punched his girlfriend in the face 30 times. And she's protecting that guy from the FBI. ICE and the DEA wanted him and she committed a crime. And so he's like, well, I don't know if she escorted him or let him. I don't want to get into the facts of it because the facts aren't on my side. So here he goes.

[Unknown]

Civic case. But especially on the issue of immigration, there are a lot of people who are appalled by what the administration is doing and there will be times for civil disobedience. And to me, if she, let's say she did escort this guy out the door, if federal enforcement agencies come to your courtroom and you help a guy escape, that is two things that would.

[Jimmy Dore]

Be 100% crime and illegal and obstructing justice. That'd be the first thing. Let's see if he gets it right. I think he might.

[Unknown]

One, it strikes me as maybe something illegal, maybe.

[Jimmy Dore]

Why don't you use a few more qualifiers? Something, maybe. No, if she did that, that's definitely illegal. That's definitely a crime. And judges are arrested all the time for breaking the law. Judges are criminals too.

[Unknown]

But it also strikes me as something heroic. She's heroic and in times of trouble.

[Jimmy Dore]

Then she's heroic, Stephen. Hiding that poor wife abusing gang member who's illegally in the country that the media has turned this guy into Anne Frank of the Democratic Party in 2025. Anyway, I wonder if she wanted to take him into her home and kind of harbor him just like Anne Frank, I wonder if she would.

[Unknown]

People are sometimes called to do civil disobedience. And in my view, when people do civil disobedience, they have to pay the price. That's part of the heroism of it, frankly. And so you can both think that she shouldn't have legally done this and that morally protecting somebody against maybe not even in this case, but in other cases, frankly, a predatory enforcement agency sounds.

[Jimmy Dore]

Like that guy was pretty predatory. That's what it sounds like to me. And so now I just want to Here is the juxtaposed maze did this maze great at this. He's going to show you the Democrats when Trump was being lawfare was being used against the president that we've never done in the history of our country. And they said, oh no, it's about the rule of law. And now what they're saying now let's watch.

[H]

He is being treated no better or worse than anyone else. This is not selective prosecution. That this is not somebody who's singled out, that he is being treated just like anyone else. That is what it means to have.

[Jimmy Dore]

A rule of law.

[H]

That is what the Justice Department is really signaling and messaging here is that everyone will be treated, as Merrick Garland has said, as you know, equally in this country. This is really a really a great day for America.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it's a great day when they use lawfare against a former president and gin up charges they never ever would do for a former president. But when a judge gets arrested, caught red handed, obstructing justice and letting a wife, wife beating criminal go out the back door and evade the authorities, this is what they say.

[H]

So there has been a violation here that we know for sure and it is not the judge. Exactly. You don't do it. Even if you thought that there was a ground for doing this, the judgment call that you thought that this is the case to bring, it tells you everything.

[Jimmy Dore]

There is no so the judgment call against Donald Trump, concocting stuff that nobody's ever concocted using the RICO statutes, all this kind of crazy stuff to and every one of those cases was flimsier than the next. Even Andrew Cuomo said, if I was attorney general New York who never brought this case against Donald Trump, then it was about the rule of law. Now it's like you got to use your judgment because the judge is sacrosanct. The judge is like royalty, okay, adult.

[H]

In the room who would have said, are you kidding me? Why would you possibly do this? And the answer is because we want to send a signal to the judiciary. And that's what you shouldn't be doing.

[Jimmy Dore]

Here's one more. Here's when they said nobody's above the law. Remember, this is above the rule of law. Nobody. The same rules apply to everybody.

[Kurt Metzger]

We are all committed to the rule of law, and no one, no one in this country is above the law.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, yeah, nobody's above the law. Let me throw it over to our guest, Stephen Gardner. What do you say about the rank? I mean, again, this is the kind of thing. This is the boy crying wolf. They were like, oh, no, when it's Trump, it's great. But no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody sees through this, and this only bolsters Trump. If you're trying to tear down Trump, it does the exact opposite. Over to you, Stephen.

[Stephen Gardner]

Yeah, I agree with you. The gentleman at the New York Times. I don't know the details of this case, but now, since I'm on live television, let me give an opinion on something I know nothing about. I liked his one line, and I quote, there is a time for civil disobedience. Really? Like a judge is supposed to make people obey, and now you're saying there's a time to be civilly disobedient. And I know you won't like this, but, you know, throwing this guy down to El Salvador, maybe that was just Trump being civilly disobedient at the time. Right?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, that's a good point. That's.

[Stephen Gardner]

And, you know, I wondered, you know, when. Remember when the Supreme Court ruled that Biden couldn't forgive student loan debt, and he said, we're going to do it anyway, and then they forgave a whole bunch. Right. So, but, so these guys, this is just rank hypocrisy, because if, if Trump does it, it's okay to go after him. If anyone against Trump does it, then they all have to unify. They all have to get their talking points. But this was a judge. A judge snuck a criminal who punched someone in the face 30 times, who came here from Mexico illegally twice for strangling and suffocating somebody. This is crazy. Like, at least gets, like, at least get like, a beautiful mother who escaped the gangs of Venezuela or something. Don't use MS.13 and train to Aragua as the, as the, the beacon of hope that you hold up to your party. It just, it doesn't make any sense. But for me, this is just absolute hypocrisy. They know. They know that it's a lie, but they don't have anything else to go on Jimmy. So they have to just spew the lie.

[Jimmy Dore]

Let me just play this by Barack Obama.

[Kurt Metzger]

You are a generous and welcoming people here in the United States. But those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.

[Jimmy Dore]

So again, just completely flipping the script when it's not them, when it's Trump, anything Trump, again, I'm all for due process, but that's not what she was doing. She, she wasn't trying to ensure that guy got due process. She was trying to make sure that the victims of that guy didn't get due process. That's what she did. And, and I know a lot of people, first of all, you know they're going to turn this into a TV movie. Right? I could just see she was a lonely judge in Wisconsin and he was a wild eyed gang member from south of the border, but somehow they met. Judge, not in theaters near you.

[Stephen Gardner]

It's again, just plagiarize what Bill Clinton used to say and Barack Obama used to say, just use their own words. And then when they come after him, say gotcha. I plagiarized. Just like the head of Harvard in Columbia. Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

The thing they should be screaming about, in my opinion, is that, you know, freedom of speech. So Trump is making all these anti Semitic regulations and trying to make colleges follow them. You can't speak against it. To me, that is going against the spirit of free speech. Because free speech doesn't come from the Constitution. It doesn't come from a politician or a court. According to the writers of the Constitution. It comes from God. And what the Constitution guarantees is that they won't interfere with the right of free speech. So people, a lot of people are. So when Trump is doing that at the behest of Israel, that's what they should be screaming about. They're not, they're not screaming about that. They're screaming about this judge who legit broke the law to try to harbor a criminal who was already once kicked out of the country, deported, came back in illegally and is a, you know, in her court because he punched a girl in the face 30 times. And this is the guy she's, this is where, this is the Hill. You're going to die again. They're not going to ever speak up about free speech at the behest of Israel. Because of Israel. Right. So they're all, they're, they're all hypocrites of the highest order. They're all partisans and they're all lying to you and they're all propagandists. And this proves it. Again, this, it's, it's, we have the worst of both situations. Trump is denying certain people due process, which is horrible. That's what they should be crying about. They shouldn't be crying about process. The right process, which is, that's what happened in this case. The right process happened. A judge broke the law and got arrested for it. And there you go. Anything else you'd like to add to this, Stephen?

[Stephen Gardner]

No, just that I'm surprised that there, Senator Barack Obama was actually saying something that I would agree with today. Hey, America is a generous nation, but we can't have people coming in here and taking advantage of our, our systems. I mean, Jimmy, there's people in my community that, you know, these illegal immigrants, they're in the country for five minutes, they're getting more money from the government than they're getting in Social Security. They, they were wondering how to deal with the price of food going up 25 to 50%. But you had people at the Roosevelt Hotel In New York, $700 a night. You times that by 30, $21,000 a month in housing. And we've got senior citizens that are getting 1200 bucks a month in Social Security. So, yeah, we're a generous nation. But if you bankrupt the, the safety net programs or you benefit illegal immigrants over your own citizens, it's not going to go well for your party. And it hasn't. That's, I believe that's why they lost.

[Jimmy Dore]

Again, the. I just try to remind people that when someone is here, even if they're here illegally, they're here because they're desperate. And there's lots of reasons for that. And one of them is the way we sanction other countries and coup other countries. And I don't have the ire I have is for the people who open the border and the people who make those people desperate and the people who then. Right in your face, I mean, Dave Chappelle even talked about it. They're doing it right in your. Or who about they're giving all that money to people here illegally. People in Chicago are revolting over it. People of color, black people, and they're trying to turn Chicago red over it because they're like, I've been paying Taxes all my life. You guys never gave our community anyway. These people aren't even citizens. And you got. You got money pulled out of your ass left and right. And again, it's not to denigrate or be angry, because that's what they want. They want us to turn our ire towards people who are poor in more desperate situations than us. Instead of coming together and having our ire on the politicians who made created this situation. They want us fighting against each other. They want us distracted. That's the point of this rush of. I think, to me, that's the. There's many. There's many reasons for Biden opening the border and flooding the country with millions and millions of illegal immigrants. And one of them is to keep us fighting amongst each other and keep our eye off the ball. And that's why they give them all that money to make you incensed and angry at them instead of angry at the politicians creating these situations. And of course, it's to drive down wages. There's no doubt about that, 100%. That's what Bernie Sanders and Bill Clinton and Barack Obama used to say up until Trump started saying it. Then they flipped. So I just want to remind people, don't put your ire on the illegal immigrant. Put your ire on the people in power who created them to be that desperate. And B, then open the border and let them come in here and then gave them more money than people on Social Security. That's all there to keep, drive you crazy and create chaos. A word from another segment. Because chaos always favors the establishment. And when I say the establishment, I mean the billionaire class that actually runs everything. You know, the Bill Gates, the Jeff Bezos, the George Soros. The chaos is what they thrive on, and that's what they've created. And it's just like it's like a WEF scam. It's not only happening in the United States, it's happening everywhere. And they create desperate people in other countries. Economically, they let them. They flood the country with it. They drive down wages, and they keep us fighting amongst each other. Anything else you'd like to add to that? No.

[Stephen Gardner]

That is a great reminder. We are. We're a nation of immigrants. My family immigrated here for religious freedom and the opportunity to grow and own your own land and all of that. Although now with property taxes, you never really own it. But yeah, America needs immigrants. We do like birth rate issues and to keep these financial systems that are giant bubbles from popping, like, we need immigrants. And yes, there are jobs that Americans won't do. Immigrants will do. Like, there's a lot of reasons for it. But not knowing who's coming over the border, letting terrorists into the border, drug dealers, gang members, like, those are all bad. But I agree with you. Like, we can't take it out on them. I'm telling you, I lived in a third world country. If I could get to America, I would try to get to America. America is such a great place, even though we have a lot of issues, especially with military issues. But anyway, I just, I think you made a really great point. Don't be mad at them. Be mad at the government that was dangling the stick to get them to risk their life. The one thing that pisses me off, think how many women and children were violated to get into America. Yeah, that pisses me off. Then we lose 300,000 children that like. But the Democrats, the, the party of kindness, they don't give a crap that all these people had to be violated. All these women had to literally be violated. Something's taken from them, a part of their soul and their body stolen from them to get into America. That, yeah, they've got to fix immigration, but I don't think Washington D.C. will ever fix the immigration issue.

[Jimmy Dore]

And just one more point I want to, you know, you make the point of like, we have low birth rate. Well, one of the big factors on why there is a lower birth rate today than there was in previous generations is because of the economics of us exporting all our good paying jobs. And people don't feel like they can afford to have a family. So they keep delaying it and delaying it and delaying it and they have smaller families. And that's why. So the answer to that isn't to make people more economically strong or make it more economically viable for people to have children. Their answer to that is, hey, let's bring in cheap labor. Let's bring in people who work for pennies. Let's bring that. That's, let's, that's how we'll solve that problem. Which is the ba is exactly wrong way to solve that problem. And they say that everywhere now. They're saying that in Europe, Western Europe, they're saying that in the United States, Australia. Well, we got, we have low birth rates. Wait, why the fuck do you think that is? Because you hollowed out the middle class and you took away all the good paying jobs. Okay, everybody should. Stephen, thank you very much for coming on. Everybody should check out Stephen Gardner's show Taming Wall street on YouTube and on Rumble. He's all over Just like we are. I appreciate you coming on. It's always good to talk to you. Over 100 Meta employees, which is Facebook and Instagram, including head of their AI policy, are confirmed ex Israeli soldiers, idf.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh well, as long as they aren't doing it anymore, they could be in charge of our social media.

[Jimmy Dore]

So now you know why we are completely demonetized. We can't. We're not even allowed to promote our videos. Like we can't pay to promote our videos on Facebook. Did you know that? And so they gave and they kept. So we used to make not a lot of money. We used to make some money on Facebook to help pay for our company and it's all gone. And it's all. A lot of it has to do with our Covid coverage, but a lot of it has to do with our coverage of Israel and Gaza. And now we know why China. And now we know why more than 100.

[Kurt Metzger]

Oh, that's a lot.

[Jimmy Dore]

Former Israeli spies and IDF soldiers. Israeli spies and former soldiers work for the tech giant Meta, including its head of AI policy. Isn't that wild? A former Israeli spy, head of the AI policy at Facebook Meta who the head of AI policy served in the IDF under an Israeli government scheme. Are there any kind of things that they do that aren't schemes that allows non Israelis to volunteer for the Israeli army? Shira Anderson, an American international rights lawyer is met as a policy chief who voluntarily enlisted for the IDF in 2009. What the effing f Under a program which enables non Israeli Jews who aren't eligible for military conscription to join the Israeli army. So she sounds like a real nutcase, like a real special kind of psychopath. Through this program known as Garen Zabar. The program is known as Garen Zabar or Zabar. Many non Israelis who have fought for the IDF have been implicated in war crimes and crimes against humanity. What's that?

[Kurt Metzger]

French Foreign Legion. They got their own French Foreign Legion.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so many non Israelis who have fought for the IDF have been implicated in war crimes and crimes against humanity since Israeli's genocide of Gaza began in October 2023. I'll just call it an ethnic cleansing. I'll be nice. Anderson served as a non commissioned officer in the IDF for over two years where she worked in the military strategic information section writing dossiers and public relations propaganda for the idf. She was also the liaison between the IDF and foreign military attaches. Is that how you say that? Stationed in Israel and liaison liaison to the Red Cross with AI, a critical emerging technology for tech giants and militaries, Anderson's role at Meta is an important one. She develops the legal guidance, policies and public relations talking points concerning AI issues and regulations for all of Meta's key areas, including its product, public policy and government affairs team. So they got a legit Israeli operative from the IDF running Metas all their public policies over deciding if Jimmy Dore gets to post their videos or not, who gets monetized, who gets demonetized. Of course they're going to come after us at Meta. Anderson, who is based in Meta's Washington D.C. office, is a familiar company. Is in familiar company. Why? Because more than 100 former Israeli spies and IDF soldiers are employed by Meta. My new investigation shows many of whom worked for Israel's spy agency unit 8200. These ex IDF members are based even. By the way, there was a former Israel unit 8200 that was in charge of the Middle east for I believe it was CNN or maybe Twitter. Yeah, these ex IDF members are based evenly across Meta's US offices and in its Tel Aviv office. And a significant number of them, like Anderson, have a specialization in AI. Given that Israel has made extensive use of AI not just to conduct its genocide, ethnic cleansing, but to establish its prior system of apartheid, which it is an apartheid state. Surveillance and occupation. Meta's recruiting of IDF AI specialists is particularly insidious with the proliferation of former Israeli spies and soldiers into US Big Tech. We are looking at the complete capture of the United States national security state by pro Israel voices. Now listen. Now I've heard this before, that 70% of the people in the United States get all their news from Google or Facebook or Meta. I don't know if that's still. That was a stat from a few years ago. So what does that tell you? That tells you that Israel is controlling the news people get on Facebook. Facebook. And of course Google's in bed with the Deep State. They're invented by the Deep State. So it's again, just another that's why.

[Kurt Metzger]

All boomers love Israel how they do still. That's right, because they're all on Facebook. And that's the news they're getting.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's the news they're getting. By voices who deny genocide, ethnic cleansing as we watch journalists burned to death in tents. Over 200 journalists have been targeted and killed by Israel. 200. And journalists. Nobody speaks up about it because it's bad for your career. Who denied genocide? Ethnic cleansing as we watch headless babies carried aloft through the rubble and ruins of once vibrant streets Voices who denied genocide, ethnic cleansing as Israel's highest court waves through starvation policies so they're legit starving the people of Gaza. By voices who and Trump appear to have found the ideal man to execute the Zionist wish lists as an AI future advances. The people who constructed the digital architecture enabling total surveillance and control of the Palestinians and who wrote the code that enabled their genocide ethnic cleansing are now determining that future for all of us. Nice, nice, nice. So, again, the problem isn't randos on social media. That's what the Democratic Party, cnn, msnbc, the New York Times. That's what they would have you believe, that the problem is disinformation from randos. You have freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach, so we can censor you. Because the problem is randos. The problem is randos on Instagram and TikTok and Facebook and Twitter. No, it's not. Again, the people who are concocting a propaganda narrative are the people who control social media, the New York Times and the corporate media. That's. That's who's doing it. It's not randos. The biggest liars and spreaders and of misinformation, disinformation and propaganda is the government second to corporate media. And third, and a distant third are randos on social media. And so now this disproves it. It's meta, Totally, totally taken over by Israel. And now you know the rest of the story. Anything you want to add to that, Kurt?

[Kurt Metzger]

So whose side was he on? When did they come in? Because remember, we did the story where the guy, he was the new information someone, Facebook and this guy, it's interviewing, you know, I'm a family guy, and they show him fingering his.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, you remember that guy? I remember that, yeah.

[Kurt Metzger]

And it was a CIA dickhead.

[Jimmy Dore]

He was an ex CIA guy.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yeah. So I assume CIA was doing it, but it's always been Israel for how long?

[Jimmy Dore]

So I don't know if you know, but Israel and CIA work hand in.

[Kurt Metzger]

Glove, so I'm definitely more one than the other.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm going to guess forever. I'm going to guess since its inception, but they certainly ramped it up after Trump became president.

[Kurt Metzger]

Yep. Well, that's what I'm asking is, is that the new hey, say goodbye to the CI doing now? You're going to just talk directly to Israel, you know what I mean?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Now we don't even have a middleman anymore. This goes right to Israel, goes right to the idf. It's amazing to me that people can see stories like this. Can see what Trump is doing by deporting people for free speech. Again, free speech is not a privilege. It's a right given by God. The Constitution says that, that the government just isn't going to interfere with your right to free speech. So it doesn't matter if you're an immigrant, doesn't matter if you're a citizen. Everybody's supposed to have their God given right to free speech. And when Trump deports you for speech, he's going against God and the Constitution. Free speech isn't. Free speech isn't a privilege for American citizens. It's a right given to us by God and we're supposed to protect that right and spread it around to as many people as we can. So this idea that, oh, immigrants don't have rights of free speech in America shows that you are anti American, you're anti God and you're anti Constitution. You're the thing you claim to hate. Congratulations, you're the woke, right? Hey, Become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com.

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That'S.

[Jimmy Dore]

It for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Not freak out. Not. Get it?

[J.D. Vance]

Do not. Do not.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Don't freak out. Do not freak out.