Thomas Massie EVISCERATES Trump Admin For Not Releasing Full Epstein Files!

Summary

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The Jimmy Dore Show: Thomas Massie EVISCERATES Trump Admin For Not Releasing Full Epstein Files!

Date: December 22, 2025
Host: Jimmy Dore
Featured voices: Ro Khanna, Thomas Massie, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Erica Kirk, James Lee, FBI Director Patel

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Main Theme

This episode primarily centers on the Trump administration's refusal to fully release the Jeffrey Epstein files, as mandated by a law passed with nearly unanimous bipartisan support. Jimmy Dore highlights Representative Thomas Massie’s and Ro Khanna’s public outrage over the DOJ's partial, heavily redacted document release. From there, Dore threads the topic into broader societal and political critiques: government coverups, the erosion of free speech, the manipulation of “anti-Semitism” definitions, internal conservative infighting, and the ongoing questioning of establishment narratives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein Files: Law Passed, Coverup Ensues

• New Law: Legislation required the DOJ to release all unclassified records related to Epstein within 30 days.
• Reality: DOJ only releases a partial, heavily redacted batch, citing the need to protect victim identities.
• Political Irony: Trump signed the bill despite his history of resisting transparency, resulting in a rare moment of bipartisan pressure.
• Reaction: Legislators and Dore cast doubt on the sincerity of both Republicans and Democrats, suspecting deliberate obfuscation to protect powerful individuals.

Notable Quotes:

• Jimmy Dore:
  “Here’s my tip: invest in black markers. That’s my hot tip of the day.” [05:29]
• Jimmy Dore:
  “Who doesn’t love a Woody Allen movie except for maybe his victims?” [05:46]
• Thomas Massie (quoted by Dore):
  “There is a very unique situation. This is a case where the president who appointed the Attorney General...has signed the law and the ink is not even dry yet on his signature on this law. There’s nothing subject to interpretation.” [09:44]
• Ro Khanna:
  “Tomorrow at midnight is the deadline for Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files. That is what Thomas Massie and my bill call for. It passed this body 427 to 1, passed the Senate 100 to 0, and the president signed it… Any Justice Department official who does not comply with this law will be subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice.” [12:31]

2. Detection of a Sham: Accountability Theater

• Dore’s Analysis: Both parties are likely ensuring damaging info about their own is removed first, using redactions and delays as cover.
• Massie’s Test: If at least 20 Epstein client names aren’t in the files, “we know they haven’t produced all the documents. It’s that simple.” [10:07]
• Mockery of Media: Mainstream outlets like PBS, Dore claims, parrot DOJ talking points instead of challenging the official narrative.

3. Trump: From Swamp-Dismantler to Swamp-Coverer

• Dore:
  “This is all again, this is Donald Trump in bed with the deep state that he vowed to oppose and dismantle. He is a swamp creature. He is now a neocon and he’s now covering up the Epstein files for everybody.” [07:30]

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4. Free Speech, Anti-Semitism, and the Israeli Narrative

• Australian Crackdown: Dore connects recent Australian anti-hate speech laws to Israel lobbying and false-flag conspiracies.
• IHRA Definition: Criticism of Israel or Zionism is now criminalized in Australia per new standards, Dore warns.
• Manufactured Consent: Western governments, under Israeli and ADL pressure, are equating criticism of Israel to anti-Semitism, Dore asserts.
• Suppression by Policy: Dore rails against “thought crime” laws in Australia and the chilling effect these will have on debate.

Notable Quotes:

• Australian PM (clip):
  “It is clear we need to do more to combat this evil scourge. Much more...the government adopts and fully supports the plan to combat anti-Semitism…” [20:03]
• Jimmy Dore:
  “So any criticism of Israel, basically you’re an anti-Semite. Any criticism of Zionism, you’re an anti-Semite.” [20:40]
• Jimmy Dore:
  “Hate speech is invented. It’s made up. And who decides what’s hate? If I have a criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu, that’s hate? Of Israel, of a genocide, of Zionism, of IDF soldiers targeting children…?” [23:08]

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5. Infighting on the Right: Carlson, Shapiro, Owens & the Charlie Kirk Assassination

• Turning Point USA Fallout: After the assassination of Charlie Kirk, conservative media figures feud over how to handle Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson's skeptical questions about the case and Israel's influence.
• Ben Shapiro:
  Urges the ostracizing of Candace Owens and Carlson for questioning the narrative.
• Tucker Carlson:
  Responds that open debate should be preserved even when establishment figures are uncomfortable.
• Dore’s Harshness:
  Dore contends that Shapiro and others are “Israel First” opportunists, afraid of open discussion.

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Shapiro:
  “There is only one moral side here, Erica Kirk’s side.” [35:59]
• Tucker Carlson:
  “To hear calls for, like, de-platforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event...this was the whole point of Charlie Kirk’s public life. And I think he died for it.” [38:31]
  “I’m not going to play by those rules...If someone doesn’t like what I think, fine with me, as long as I get to express it. That’s my view.” [42:36]

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6. Debunking and Image Management: The Erica Kirk Investigation

• Contradictory Persona: Dore and guests unearth evidence contradicting Erica Kirk’s self-stated conservative backstory and her claim of not dating or drinking in New York.
• Internet Sleuths Dominate: Social media and TV clips reveal Erica enjoyed drinks and dated multiple men, including associates linked to TPUSA.
• Dore’s Take:
  “What makes it all more suspicious is that...Cabot Phillips, and Erica scrubbed all those posts...If you’re not this woman, don’t pretend to be. But the bigger point is, why does Erica have to lie about this? Is it just for her to prop up this image that she is a conservative woman?” [53:53]

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7. Satirical Interlude: FBI Director Patel Skit

• In classic show fashion, a satirical segment with the fictional FBI Director lampoons FBI incompetence and the focus on social media clout over actual law enforcement.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes with Timestamps

• “Invest in black markers. That’s my tip...for the Epstein files.” — Jimmy Dore [05:29]
• “If we get a large production...and it doesn't contain a single name of any male who’s accused of a sex crime...then we know they haven’t produced all the documents. It’s that simple.” — Thomas Massie [10:07]
• “Any Justice Department official who does not comply...will be subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice...or subject to impeachment.” — Ro Khanna [12:31]
• “Hate speech is invented. It’s made up. And who decides what’s hate?” — Jimmy Dore [23:08]
• “You have to think the way Benjamin Netanyahu wants you to think, and if you don’t...we’re going to make you a criminal, put you in jail.” — Jimmy Dore [28:11]
• “You tell me which resonates more with your soul...someone trying to ostracize questions, or someone just asking legitimate, logical questions and questioning the establishment narrative?” — Jimmy Dore [37:36]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [05:00-13:30] — Epstein Files Law & DOJ “Partial” Release; Political Response & Massie/Khanna Statements
• [18:35-25:40] — Australia’s Hate Speech Laws & the IHRA Definition; Israeli Lobbying & Global Free Speech Erosion
• [34:27-37:29] — Shapiro vs. Carlson/Owens: Conservative Infighting Post-Charlie Kirk
• [38:16-42:36] — Tucker Carlson’s AMFest Speech: Defense of Debate and Critique of De-Platforming
• [45:55-55:00] — Discrepancies in Erica Kirk’s Backstory: Dating, Drinking, and Image Contradictions Exposed
• [58:09-64:51] — Satirical Interview: “FBI Director Patel” on social media clout and the Brown University shooter investigation

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Tone & Language

Jimmy Dore’s signature blend of biting sarcasm, dark humor, and skeptical populism permeates the episode. He moves quickly between mockery, detailed legal/political breakdowns, and sharp social critiques, while voices like Massie, Khanna, and Carlson (even when quoted or clipped) retain their distinctive rhetorical styles.

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Summary Conclusion

Dore uses the Trump administration’s failure to release the Epstein files as a lens to expose broader patterns of bipartisan government coverup, establishment dishonesty, and the weaponization of “anti-Semitism” to shut down dissent. He draws connections between US and foreign free speech crackdowns, critiques internal conservative movement hypocrisies, and pokes holes in the image management practices of new right-wing influencers. The episode’s blend of investigative outrage, comedic interludes, and relentless skepticism delivers a show tailored for progressive freethinkers weary of official narratives and media complicity.

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Transcript

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The medium speeds and jumps the medium and hits him head on. It's so today is the day they're supposed to be releasing the Epstein files because there was that Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Green got that pushed through and Trump actually signed it and today is the date. But spoiler alert, they're. They're not going to be releasing that stuff today. Do you got something for me? Okay, so Department of Justice released first phase of the Epstein files. That was from February 27th. You remember that? You remember that? That was from February 27th of this year. And there's the carnival barkers holding up empty folders. That's what that is. You know how I know there's nothing in those folders? Because Chuck Schumer is pushing to get them revealed. There you go. Okay, so here, pbs. This is from July Epstein client list doesn't exist. Department of justice says walking back theory Bondi promoted. So. And there's today's version of PBS sharing the corporate news line without any question. And they are much more popular when they were just using puppets. Pbs. But here we are. So here, Trump signed the bill to release the Department of Justice Epstein files. There it is. The legislation requires Attorney General Pam Bomb d to release all the unclassified records related to Epstein within 30 days. And here's my tip. Invest in black markers. That's my tip. That's my tip. Hot stick. Hot tip of the day stock tip. Invest in black magic markers. So, and here's what I. Let me just spoiler alert you. The Department of Justice won't release the full Epstein files. That's the headline. They're not going to do it. They're not going to do it. Deputy Attorney General Todd Bland said the department would not be releasing the full Epstein files on Friday as required under the new legislation, Instead sending over a partial batch. Huh? Really? Really? A partial batch? Yeah, we just want to give a little bit out at a time so that we give the other celebrities and notables a chance to destroy all the records of everything. Who doesn't love a Woody Allen movie except for maybe his victims? Blanche told Fox News the Justice Department would release several hundred thousand documents on Friday. And then over the next couple of weeks, I expect several hundred thousand more. Really? Huh. Blanche attributed the delay to the need to redact any names or identify information about witnesses. But failing to turn over the full unclassified files could run a file of the law, which gave the department 30 days to publicly share the documents. So Today is the 30 days when I expect that we're going to release several hundred thousand documents today. And those documents will come in all different forms, photographs, other materials associated with all the investigations into Mr. Epstein. What we're doing is we are looking at every single piece of paper that we are going to produce, making sure that every victim, their names, their identity, their story, their extent, it needs to be protected. It's completely protected. And so the victims have been doing press conferences, screaming for you guys. The Victims are out in front of the cameras. The victims. So this is all again, this is Donald Trump in bed with the deep state that he vowed to oppose and dismantle. He is a swamp creature. He is now a neocon and he's now covering up the Epstein files for everybody. For Israel, for the Mossad, for the CIA, for all the people, all the PDF files involved. The Department of Justice was compelled to turn over the files related to con convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein by a bill they got near unanimous support in Congress signed into the law. And after Trump reversed his earlier stance opposing the release, Trump did a nice flip flop on that. So while the bill does allow for redactions related to victims and for DOJ to withhold some information about the investigation, it does not provide a rolling deadline to turn over documents under the law. The Department of Justice has 15 days to turn over its rationale for any documents that it withheld. Senate Minority Leader Schumer said not releasing the required files it full amounts to breaking the law. That's what, that's what Chucky the Schume says. The law Congress passed and President Trump signed was clear as can be. The Trump administration had 30 days to release all the Epstein files, not just some. Failing to do so is breaking the law. This just shows the Department of Justice, Donald Trump and Pam Bondi are hell bent on hiding the truth. Schumer said. Sentence because I so I guess they pretty much feel secure that they got all the Democrats names scrubbed. Senate Democrats are working closely with attorneys with the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and with outside legal experts to assess what documents are being withheld and what is being covered up by Pam Bondi. We will not stop until the whole truth comes out. Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. I don't believe that, that the Democrats want the truth to come out and I don't believe, I think this is all theater Representative Massie wants to buy. On Thursday. He said there was no ambiguity for the law and what the law requires to be released. Trump has agreed to comply with this law and bond he has to comply with it and there will be penalties if she doesn't. Massie said that's what Massey said. There is a very unique situation. This is a case where the president who appointed the Attorney General and for whom the Attorney General works has signed the law and the ink is not even dry yet on his signature on this law. There's nothing subject to interpretation. Representative Jim McGovern says it's now taking Pam Bondi an illegally long time for The Trump administration to release all the Epstein files. By their own admission, They've been working on this since February. No kidding. There is no excuse for a delay. Release the damn files. Do it now. Nancy Mace released the Epstein files. These are. That's a republic breaking. The Department of Justice will not meet today's deadline to release all the Epstein files. In other words, our criminal government needs more time to redact the files in order to protect pedos and child grapists. Hey, this is my favorite one. I got a leaked copy of the Epstein files being released today. That's. There you go. That sheet's more blacked out than Andy Dick. Am I right? Come on, come on. Nothing like a nice Andy Dick joke, but. So we got Thomas Massie. So they're not releasing the Epstein files. Like they're still covering up the Epstein files. Even though Trump signed the law that say there's a. It was almost unanimous vote in Congress to release the Epstein files. They're still not releasing them. They're still redacting them. And Thomas Massie says he expects at least 20 Epstein clients to be named when the full Epstein files are released. He says attorneys representing victims have confirmed the identities of men accused of trafficking children. Massie warns that if those names don't appear, it will signal that the full set of Epstein materials was never released. Let's listen.

[Ro Khanna]

How will you know if they've released all the materials?

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

How will you know?

[Ro Khanna]

Well, one of the ways we'll know is there are people who have covered this case for years, and I've talked to them in private, and they know what some of the material is that's back there. But the other way that we're going to know is the victim's lawyers have been in contact with me, and collectively they know there are at least 20 names of men who are accused of sex crimes in the possession of the FBI. These would reside in the FD302 forms. The FBI fills out these forms to summarize or memorialize what a witness gave them as far as testimony when they interviewed with the FBI. So if we get a large production on December 19th and it does not contain a single name of any male who's accused of a ex crime or sex trafficking or. Or any of these things, then we know they haven't produced all the documents. It's that simple.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

How will we know if they released all the material? Well, their names aren't going to be blacked out. That's how we're. That's how we're going to know, I guess that's how. I mean, how must it feel to know that they are one of the 20 people that the elites don't give a remote crap about and are using them like shark chum in the water while they get away? Because that's what that is. Only 20 people. What happened to all the other people on the list? Are they going to let the 20 out at a time? Like episodes with the streaming service is one at a time. Sorry. Last season was not very strong for you. So I'm afraid we have to throw you in the public as the. As a speed bump. Here you go. So that's what it looks like. And they're not releasing the full. This is amazing. You know, can I say something? Can we stop seeing a nice photo of Epstein? I know, right? That he's a criminal, he's a predator. And they keep showing the Hill. You're showing a nice photo. The guy's a beast. Stop portraying him as. He looks like a nice regular guy. Here's what Ro Khanna. He's going on. Here's what he has to say about them not releasing it.

[Ro Khanna]

Tomorrow at midnight is the deadline for Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files. That is what Thomas Massie in my bill calls for. It passed this body 427 to 1, passed the Senate 100 to 0, and the president signed it. Now, three federal judges have ordered the release of all of these files in Maxwell and Epstein's grand jury. Here is the reality. Any Justice Department official who does not comply with this law will be subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice. If Pam Bondi does not comply with the law, she will be held either in inherent contempt of Congress or. Or subject to impeachment. We will not rest until the law is complied with and justice is served. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So there's Ro Khanna also very confident that they've wiped most of the Democrats off that list already. So that's what we're left with. Hope you're happy. I hope this is what you think you voted for. How many things did you think you voted for that you're getting? The exact opposite of you thought you voted for free speech. You're getting. You're getting hate speech laws forced on college campuses by the Trump administration. You're getting forced DEI for Jewish students forced on college campuses by the Trump administration. You're getting. You're getting people who are here legally following all the rules getting deported for criticizing Israel for their free speech. You're getting bombing of Iran. You're getting bombing of Yemen, you're getting bombing of Venezuela, a regime change, war in Venezuela, you're getting continued funding. Here it is to Christmas. They're still funding the Ukraine war. How? They're. Instead of cutting the deficit, they're exploding the deficit. Instead of cutting the money being spent on the Pentagon, they're exploding the money being on the war machine. Instead of making health care more affordable, they're doubling your cost for your health care premium, they're cutting health care. And instead of making sure we have America first for jobs, they're importing HB1 visas to take your jobs. 600,000 Chinese students being imported. Even though we're afraid that. I thought, I thought he was afraid China was spying on us. You're, you're getting, you're getting all of, you're getting all that garbage and now you're not. Now you're not even getting the Epstein files. Okay. Even after they signed a law. Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to jimmy dork.com clicking on join premium. It's the most affordable premium program in the business and it's a great way to help put your thumb back in the eye of the bastards. Thanks for everybody who was already a premium member. And if you haven't, you're missing out. We give you lots of bonus content. Thanks for your support. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the math@t mobile.com Switch and now T Mobile is in US cellular stores. Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans plus the cost of optional benefits. Plan features and taxes and fees vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credit stop if you cancel any lines. Qualifying credit required. So you remember how we said the Australian shooting at that Hanukkah festival on Bondi beach was. They said it was done by an ISIS shooter, which I explained to you that ISIS is actually working with Al Qaeda, working with Israel, working with the Mossad, working with the United States. They're all in bed together. Trump just welcomed the head Al Qaeda guy in Syria to the White House. Isis, when their fighters would get wounded in Syria, they'd get treated in Israel. So they're all working together. And so when that happened, I'm like, oh, this is a false flag. This is. This has been sponsored by Israel. And what is it to do? It's to try to get people to. To crackdown, meaning Western countries to crack down on free speech because they've lost the narrative and they're scrambling. They're buying social media platforms because people are telling the truth about Israel. They bought TikTok, they bought one sixth of the American media so they can try to get back control of the narrative about Israel and how people are turning on them. And then now they're doing false flags in Australia so they can pressure governments to crack down on free speech because that's the only thing they have left. They have to crack down on free speech and control the narrative. And so here it happened. It already happened. So here is Israel finally taking Australia's freedom away. Australia is going to implement hate speech laws following the Bandai false flag. The government will also create a blacklist of organizations who promote speech. Israel doesn't like false flag success. I mean, talk about a kangaroo court. Am I right? They took your guns and now they're going to round you up. What are the odds China saves Australia since we won't. You heard it here first. Here we go.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

It is clear we need to do more to combat this evil scourge. Much more a special envoy.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So they have to do more to combat the evil scourge of antisemitism, which has been invented mostly by the ADL and Israel itself. While you're doing a genocide and you're conflating Zionism, which is. That's why the genocide's being done in the name of Zionism, which is stealing other people's lands for an Israel state, for a Jewish supremacist, racist apartheid state. That's what Zionism is. If you're. And so as they do a genocide and for Zionism, they conflate Judaism with Zionism, and so then people start to be anti Semitic because the people committing a genocide are conflating Zionism with Judaism on purpose. So when you go against Zionism, they can call you an anti Semite. And so now they go, look, anti Semitism's everywhere. No, it's anti Zionism. And if it is anti Semitism, it's because you people have conflated Zionism with Judaism. And so now they've scared the hell out of Australia and Australia is going to now crack down on their own people in defense of Israel and BS Anti Semitism. Here we go.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

It is clear we need to do more to combat this evil scourge. Much more. A special envoy to combat anti Semitism, Gillian Siegel, has delivered a report that sets out further steps we can take. The Australian government adopts and fully supports the plan to combat anti Semitism. We'll continue to work through the implementation of the 13 recommendations in consultation with the Jewish community and the envoy. And of course, the first recommendation was the adoption of the IHRA definition of anti Semitism that the government adopted.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So they have already adopted the IHRA definition of anti Semitism, which any means any criticism of Israel. Basically, you're an anti Semite. Any criticism of Zionism, you're an anti Semite. So they've already done that. Australia's already done that. They're already turning their country into a place with less freedom of speech than China. They've already done that. You know, Candace Owens is banned in China. She's not allowed to go into the country. Not in China. In Australia, you know, Candace Owens is not allowed to go into Australia because she said she doesn't, she doesn't like a genocide. And then she got banned from Australia faster than you could say false flag in Australia.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

Today I'm announcing a significant number of additional actions to build on the plan. Firstly, the Attorney General and Minister for Home affairs will develop a package of legislative reforms to crack down on those who spread hate, division and radicalization.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So now if all the government has to do is say, oh, your speech is spreading division, by the way, isn't that your right as a free person to advance ideas? I don't understand this, but I guess I do understand it because they don't have a First Amendment in Australia like we do here. They don't have it in the uk so consequently, they're putting people in prison for thought crimes. So what this guy is doing, what they're doing in Australia now is they're, they're letting you know you. They're going to ramp up putting people in prison for, for thought crimes. Because that's what this is. These are thought crimes. These aren't actual crimes. These are thought crimes, just like George Orwell warned us about. These are. This is. You're being punished, arrested, imprisoned for wrong think. That's what George Orwell called it. Wrong think. And that's what he's saying. These aren't actual crimes. These are just the government controlling your thoughts.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

The National Security Committee has agreed that changes will include the following five points. Agreed. Changes will include one, aggravated hate speech offense for preachers and leaders who promote violence. Secondly, increased penalties for Hate speech, promoting violence.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Hate speech. Again. Why am I not allowed to hate stuff? Hate speech is invented. It's made up. And who decides what's hate? Who decides? What if I just have a criticism? That's hate. If I have a criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu, that's hate. What if I have a criticism of Israel? That's hate. What if I have a criticism of a genocide? That's hate. What if I have a criticism of Zionism in general? That's hate. What if I have a criticism of IDF soldiers targeting children and shooting them in the head? That's hate. Really? What if I say all Muslims are bad? That that's okay? Oh, I didn't know. What if I say Palestinians are the people who are. How if I say Hamas are terrorists? How about I say Palestinians are terrorists? That's okay. What if I say Israel terrorists? That's hate.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

Thirdly, making hate an aggravating factor in sentencing crimes for online threats and harassment. Fourthly, developing a regime for listing organizations whose leaders engage in hate speech promoting violence or racial hatred.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So they're creating a list, they're checking it twice, going to find out who's on board with Israel. Noice.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

And fifthly, developing a narrow federal offense for serious vilification based on race and or advocating racial supremacy.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

The minute that's what Zionism is. Zionism is, is, is advocating racial supremacy. The whole damn country of Israel is based on ethnos supremacy of Jewish people. They're the chosen people. That's the whole point. With.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

For Home affairs will also have new powers to cancel or reject visas for those who spread hate and division in this country or would do so if they were allowed to come here. Dave.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So that's what they got. They've already banned Candace Owens. So anybody telling the truth about Israel is going to be banned in Australia. How does it feel to be an occupied country in Australia? Occupied by murderous genociding Zionists who don't give a crap about you and want to take away your freedom of speech and and put you in jail.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

Gonski has agreed to lead a 12 month task force which will include the envoy to ensure the Australian education system prevents tackles and properly responds to anti Semitism.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So they're going to indoctrinate your children. So they're going to indoctrinate your children into Zionism. That's what they're doing in Australia. So this is what happened. I guess that a lot of people would say that this is what happens when they take your guns, then they take your Freedom. Then they take your freedom of speech. Then they, then they take away your ability to think for yourself. Then they make it a crime to have a thought that, that, that the government doesn't approve of. That's a lot. That's what people say. I was always against that position.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

I of course acknowledge that more could have been done and I accept my responsibility for the part in that as Prime Minister of Australia. But what I also do is accept my responsibility to lead the nation and unite the nation. Because what people are looking for, how.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Do you unite the nation around criminalizing their thoughts and taking away their freedom at the behest of another country? A country committing a genocide right now in 4K. How does that unite the country? How does that unite the turnouts out? It doesn't. And of course this guy's a charlatan. Of course he's a charlatan. Of course he's a charlatan leading Australia. Of course he is. They can't wait to take away. What is it about Australia? I mean, they just love taking your freedoms away. I mean, I was there. People were still psychologically damaged, going through trauma from the COVID lockdowns. In Australia.

[Australian Official / Prime Minister]

At this time isn't more division. They are looking to come together.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Yeah. You are dividing your own country. That's what you're doing. And you're pretending other people are doing it. So anybody who has a criticism of Israel, Zionism, genocide, Benjamin Netanyahu, the slaughter of children, the false flags that they pull off constantly, anybody who has a problem with that is now a criminal in Australia. Your prime minister just told you.

[Erica Kirk]

He.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Just told you you're a criminal. You have to think the way Benjamin Netanyahu wants you to think. And if you don't think the way Benjamin Netanyahu wants you to think, we're going to make you a criminal, put you in jail. Wow. Here's what Glenn Greenwald he says Israel demanded European Union countries adopt the IHRA definition of anti Semitism in their criminal hate speech laws and they obeyed. Australia did it yesterday. The US can't do it directly due to the First Amendment, but Trump has forced on American universities. But Trump has forced it on American universities. He's done that. Some of the banned views. Here's some of the banned views. If you go by the ihra, here's some of the banned views. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide than to the interests of their own nations. Well, Ben Shapiro certainly falls under that. So that's now Anti Semitic. If I say Congressman Randy Fine is more loyal to Israel than the United States, that's considered anti Semitism. If I say Ben Shapiro is more loyal to Israel than the United States, that's considered anti Semitism. Even though obviously those people are so telling the truth is now anti Semitic. You know, there's a saying, used to be anti Semite if you hated Jews, now you're an anti Semite if Jews hate you. Denying the Jewish people their right to self determination, for example by claiming that the existence of the state of Israel is a racist end Denver. It is so that's a. So again this is all just telling the truth. It's now anti Semitism and is. And Australia is going along with it. And if you tell the truth, you're going to jail too. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. Using the symbols and images associated with classic Anti Semitism, e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel to characterize Israel or Israelis. This is real. This is what Australia's just adopted. I think they actually adopted this in 21. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israel policy to that of the Nazis. Well, of course it's easy to do that. Of course they have to make this stuff illegal because this reveals that Zionism and the Israeli project is one based in racism, based in land theft, based on slaughter and terrorism. That's so they have to make the telling of these truths illegal. Whoa. So of course there's many comparisons you can make of the of Israel's conduct right now with Nazi Germany. There's plenty. And, and Jews are making them. Norman Finkelstein. That's not. It's coming from Jew. You know how I know? Because Jews are doing it. Not Muslims. Jews holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel. So these are anti Semitic acts are criminal. So congratulations to Australia. You, you fell for the false flag. I mean your government did and now you're paying the price for it. You're even more freedoms are taken away from you and now you're going to be accused of thought crimes because of that false flag. It worked perfectly. Why do you think Israel does false flags? They know how to do them. They always have a purpose and they'd always serve their purpose.

[Jimmy Dore]

They someday may be asked to denounce you and that friendship is not a reason to defend someone. Love is no defense. I kind of thought we'd reached the end of that. And as far as I'm concerned, we have. And I'm not going to play by those rules, I'm not going to engage in that. If someone doesn't like what I think, fine with me. As long as I get to express it. That's my view.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So at AmFest, that's the big TP USA Charlie Kirk organization. They're having their big Am Fest, America Fest, and Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro both invited to speak. So here's. Here's a Ben Shapiro. Now, he's still upset. He's completely obsessed with the people looking into Charlie Kirk's assassination. Why would he care so much? That's a big. My. My first big red flag that he cares way too much about people looking into Charlie Kirk's assassination. It's almost like he's afraid it's going to expose his first priority, which is Israel. That's what it seems like to me. All the Zionists out there and all the people paid off by Zionists in the media, in the conservative media and the. Whatever media, they all want to squelch this investigation into Charlie Kirk's death. And they're doing it at the behest of Israel and Zionism. And so is he. And so now he's trying to get people. So the thing that they always try to do is try to get you ostracized from the group. So they've been trying to get Candace Owens and they've been trying to get Tucker Carlson ostracized from the group. Except Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are actually the leaders of the conservative movement. They're actually the people that people look to, conservatives look to. So they're more. Way more popular than this doucheb Canoe. So that's the problem. It's an up. It's an upward. He. They got all the money behind them for sure, but it's an upward fight because Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens have the truth behind them. So here he is still trying to get people like Megyn Kelly and everybody else to denounce Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, and they won't do it. And so here's what he had to say at amfest.

[Ben Shapiro]

But even if it were true that other public figures were our best friends, our very best friends, that does not relieve us of our duty to speak out out of principle and not to cover up evil or shy away from addressing it out of friendship.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So he's directly calling out Megyn Kelly there, saying that you. Just because you're friends with Tucker Carlson or you're friends with Candace Owens doesn't relieve you of the responsibility to call them out. Okay.

[Ben Shapiro]

So no Tucker Carlson, it is not an exception. Excuse to go silent on Candace's targeting of TP USA. Or to mirror her bullshit lines of questioning because you love Candace personally. The same holds true of Megan Kelly, a person I consider a friend. Characterizing Candace as a young mother and thus shying away from condemning her actions or fibing about them. That is a non starter. Meghan Markle is a young mother. Ilhan Omar is a young mother. That doesn't matter. And when Megan said this week, quote, my goal and my job here is to try to understand. Yes. Where Candace is coming from on this and says she sees no purpose in inserting herself quote into this. On one side that is a moral and logical absurdity. There is only one moral side here, Erica Kirk's side.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

There's only one moral side here, Erica Kirk's side. And by that he means her ass. I think he's just looking at her ass. Anyway, here we go.

[Ben Shapiro]

You know, the side of the widow with two children whose husband was shot live on camera.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

You know, the widow, the grieving widow who we pushed out because people were catching on to the fact that there's a conspiracy around Charlie Kirk's assassination and, and that everybody at TP USA and the FBI and the Trump administration are trying to cover it up. So, you know, the grieving widow with the kids that we pushed out into the media so she could take all the slings and arrows and she was going to somehow get everybody to shut up because she's the grieving widow and we could all hide behind that. But she's not just a grieving widow. She's the CEO of a giant corporation worth hundreds of millions of dollars and one of the most powerful political organizations in the country. So it didn't work. Also, she's repulsive and people saw through her. So it didn't work. And he's still going back trying to say, you know, the grieving widow. We're not supposed to have. So we're not supposed to question the FBI because there's a. So because Jackie Onassis was a grieving widow with kids, I wasn't supposed to question the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover and Allen Dulles. I'm not supposed to question them because there's a somewhat. Because someone who got killed has family. What? That's his, that's his argument of all of us.

[Ben Shapiro]

Friendship with the person accusing TP USA of a cover up of Charlie's murder is no excuse for cowardice.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So he called, called Megan Kelly a coward, calling Tucker Carlson a coward. So Tucker Carlson spoke Very soon after that. And here's Tucker Carlson's response. Now, you tell me what you like more. You tell me which resonates more with your spirit, with your soul, with your heart and your sensibilities as an American. You tell me which resonates more. Someone trying to ostracize? Someone asking legitimate, logical questions and questioning the establishment narrative around an assassination, The FBI lies, or this guy?

[Jimmy Dore]

I just got here, and I feel like I missed the first part of the program. Hope I didn't miss anything meaningful, but I just want to say I don't think I did. No, I'm just kidding.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

I watched it. I laughed.

[Jimmy Dore]

I laughed. That kind of bitter, sardonic laugh that emerges from you and like, upside down world arrives when your dog starts doing your taxes and you're like, wait, it's not supposed to work this way. To hear calls for, like, de platforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event. I'm like, what? This is hilarious. Yeah, this is hilarious. Actually, one of the clips, I was listening to myself thinking, as I often do when I hear myself speak, which is never because I never watch myself. But these events, they always play, like, the role of you. And I'm like, that guy is pompous. Sorry about that. We don't see ourselves clearly. But the prediction that, you know, at some point when Republicans took power again, which I did everything I could, you know, to help and really felt that was important, I still think, you know, I was right. But I really thought that the impulse to de platform people, or even to use the word platform as a verb, which it's not. It's a noun. Don't steal my nouns. De platform and denounce. Why haven't you denounced somebody else? The whole, like, Red Guard, cultural Revolution thing that we so hated and feared on the left, that we did everything we could to usher in a new time where you could have an actual debate, I mean, this kind of was the whole point of Charlie Kirk's public life. And I think that. I think that he died for it. I really believe that. And I know a lot about it, because the last several months of Charlie's life were devoted in part to arguing about this event. In fact, this speech. In fact, my speech here, which he asked me to do earlier this year, this summer, and was immediately put under just immense pressure from people who give money to Turning Point, I would assume good people, but who wanted him to take me off the roster.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

And Ben Shapiro would be one of those people. So Ben Shapiro thinks this is a bad Idea to platform Tucker Carlson, even though Charlie Kirk did and Ben Shapiro hated Charlie Kirk. Just keep that in mind. And then they all lied about it and said that Charlie Kirk liked Ben Shapiro. And Candace had to reveal that they were all lying when she revealed the text messages. Okay.

[Jimmy Dore]

And this has all become public and I. The whole thing is so sad that I never talk about it, except to say Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply held belief that people should be able to debate and that if you have something valid to say, if you're telling the truth, you ought to be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who don't agree with you. And that you shouldn't immediately resort to shut up, racist. You shouldn't immediately go to motive. By the way, shut up, racist is the number one reason I voted for Donald Trump and because it's just sick of it. I mean, first of all, if I was a racist, if I was a bigot, I would just say so, okay, It's America. You're allowed to be whatever kind of person you want. I'm not. I'm sincerely opposed. Have always been and will always be. But the style of debate where you prevent the other side from talking or being heard because you immediately go to motive. Well, I wonder why you're asking that question. I wonder why. Why are you asking that question? I detect in the question a certain evil in your soul. And everyone listening should know that listening to you implicates them and that they someday may be asked to denounce you. And that friendship is not a reason to defend someone. Love is no defense. I kind of thought we'd reached the end of that. And as far as I'm concerned, we have. And I'm not going to play by those rules. I'm not going to engage in that. If someone doesn't like what I think, fine with me, as long as I get to express it. That's my view.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So that's Tucker Carlson completely blowing Ben Shapiro's bullshit out of the water by relying on real values, by relying on real American values that. Let's have the debate. They don't want to have the debate. Tucker Carlson's already ask people like Ben and people like Mark Levin, let's have the debate. They don't, they're not going to do that because they're going to be exposed for the frauds that they are. And they're, they're Israel first. They don't want people like Candace Owens asking questions that might embarrass Israel or expose them. And that's why they had also turned on Charlie Kirk. By the way, those same people that had turned on Charlie Kirk, the people that Ben Shapiro advocates for Israel and their Jewish donors hit, Charlie Kirk had already turned on them. Charlie Kirk said the Jewish donors are playing into the worst stereotypes and I will not be bullied by them and I can no longer support Israel. That's what Charlie Kirk said. And here's Ben Shapiro, the phony supreme, the charlatan wanting you to think the opposite. And by the way, so is Erica Kirk. Shabbat Shalom. So is she. They're turning TPUSA into a Zionist organization. They're turning it into Christian Zionist organization. And Tucker Carlson's there to let you know don't do that. And he's also there to let you know that people like Ben Shapiro are against your very values of free speech and honest debate. That's so. So Ben Shapiro is an authoritarian who tries to scare people, use fear mongering, the threat of being ostracized to try to get you to shut up, to try to silence you. That's what he's doing. Try to silence you. And there's Tucker Carlson saying everybody should be able to talk. The exact opposite of Ben Shapiro. So God bless him. And so after Ben Shapiro said that about Megan Kelly, you want to hear it again?

[Erica Kirk]

Yes.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So any. I just want to. I just want to let you know that Charlie wanted Tucker at TP USA events like this and he told him to go. Max. Meaning don't bite your tongue on anything. Tell the truth. Tell the truth about my donors. Tell the truth about the Israel donors. Tell the truth about everything. Zionism. Tell the truth. Go, go Max, he said. So it turns out Erica Kirk has been caught in even more lies. Unbelievable. I'm shocked. So we got caught the. So here's, here's more lies coming out of TP usa. She's the CEO and well, here's what she said about their dating life.

[Erica Kirk]

I lived out here. I was here for five years. I never dated here. Cuz I saw vicariously through my roommate how terrible it was.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

She never dated for five years. The whole time she was in New.

[Erica Kirk]

York, somehow getting drinks was the replacement of having coffee and breakfast. I personally would rather have coffee or brunch with someone than go. I just, I don't drink. I find it unproductive. Not because I'm holier than whatever, that's not. I just don't operate that way. But I always thought it was very strange how she would go to drinks with one guy and then go to dinner with another. My situation was a little different. I wouldn't do it. You went to a job interview. Literally. So this is how good the Lord is. He knew that because I was not dating in New York City, he knew that in order for me to know that that was my man, he had to blanket Charlie as a job interview. Because if that went in, no joke, if he came to me and said, hey, let's go on a date to Bill's Burgers, I'd be like.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

She'D be.

[Erica Kirk]

Like, no, I lived out here.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

No, she's not going. So I just think it's funny how people think God works like that. Like, oh, God had to set us up on this thing. But then he wanted to set us up to get married so I could watch him be assassinated on in 4K a couple years later. God didn't intervene on that. So it's just a. It's just. To me, it's a sophomore way to look at God. It's very sophomore. But anyway, turns out she was dating. It turns out. So she was dating this guy named Cabot Phillips. This is from, I think, 20s. I think this is 2017. It said, yes, we're that couple who gets painting lessons together. There they are. Turns out this guy's also a buddy. Was a buddy of Charlie's. And his father's got ties to the War Machine. Here is. Here's. Her name was Erica Franz, by the way. And this is from November 29, 2017. She says, since this is where it all started, I only found it appropriate to wish you a very happy birthday. Cash Cab xx, your catfish. Here's another social media post from. This is, I guess, an Instagram. I don't go on Instagram. This is what it looks like. It says, luna Bear Studios prepping another couple's gallery for delivery. And a heart. Erica Franz and J.T. massey, 5, you're both amazing humans, and I love showing shooting with you. So much laughter and love. It was perfection. What? So there's that. And then they scrubbed. And what makes it all more suspicious is that that Cash Cab guy, Cabot Phillips, and Erica scrubbed all those posts. So the post is gone, but people responding to the post is there. How cute you are, y'. All. Oh, gorgeous couple. But the post is gone. And here's that guy with Charlie. Yes, I beat Cabot one on one. That was from September 24, 2017, eight years ago. Not. Not six. So that. So he reposted that. Okay. He also get this. This is weird. So this Guy Cabot Phillips. He's a head editor over at the Daily Wire, which is a. You know. And he said, just discover that Obama is one of those dads who brings an iPad on vacation to take pics of his family, and it's the greatest thing ever. What I don't understand, what is he doing? That thing where you play both sides of the fence? Because that's what it sounds like. But guess what? So this guy who's allegedly the ex boyfriend of Erica Kirk, she dated him right before Charlie. That's the story. He's now being tapped to go around and take over for Charlie. It said, how to Lead like Charlie Cabot Phillips, Senior Editor, Daily Wire, Turning Point USA so these two are hosted by Turning Point USA at South Central Kentucky Community and Technical College. So that's just one of them. That's December 16, 5:30pm how to lead Like Charlie. So that isn't that weird? Yeah, I think it is weird. Yeah. I found this also. Monday, October 6, 2025, University Union Building in Flagstaff, Arizona. How to fight like Charlie Fort Cabot. What does that FT mean? FT Cabot Phillips. What does FT stand for? I don't know. But anyway, it says how to Fight Like Charlie Cabot Phillips. That's. That's not even a month after the assassination. Here's what our friend James Lee had to say about it. Let's listen to James Lee.

[James Lee]

Erica Kirk's backstory has just been exposed as a giant lie. Allegedly.

[Erica Kirk]

When I lived out here, I was here for five years. I never dated here because I saw vicariously through my roommate how terrible it was. I just, I don't drink. I find it unproductive.

[James Lee]

We don't know for sure if she wasn't drinking, but she did really enjoy posing with alcoholic beverages.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So that might just be her modeling. So I'll cut slack on that. But we do have video of her. She was on a reality show, and she went on a date on this reality show, and she orders a wine on the reality show. So just letting you know. So there's that. So you don't have to. You could say, oh, I could dismiss this by saying, oh, she's probably just. Maybe she's just modeling for a. For something.

[James Lee]

Here's her with a glass of champagne. It says it's Wednesday, so treat yourself to a little champagne. And did she really not date while she lived in New York City? Well, here is a photo that the Internet sleuths dug up From September of 2017 with one Cabot Phillips. And the caption said, yes, we're that couple who gets painting lessons together. And here you could see Erica Fransvie and Cabot Phillips. I don't know about you, but that looked like a little bit more than just a one off day. It looked like they were an actual couple, as the caption said. But interestingly, Cabot Phillips was actually at one point Charlie Kirk's producer, and he's now a senior editor at the Daily Wire. And just yesterday, December 16, 2025, he gave a talk about, quote, how to lead like Charlie. Gotta understand, I am not from this world of media. And I think all this kind of incestuity is weird to me. So not only do we now know that she was dating before Charlie, which is fine, it's a totally normal thing to do, but she was also engaged, perhaps even married. Luna Bear Studios Posted this on March 16, 2015, prepping another couple's gallery for delivery. Erica Fransvie and J.T. massey, you both are amazing humans and I love shooting you so much laughter and love. It was perfection. This is what happens when your entire image is propped up by something that just is not true. If you are not this woman, don't pretend to be. But the bigger point is, why does Erica have to lie about this? Is it just for her to prop up this image that she is a conservative woman, quote unquote? Because you can't hide this kind of stuff. The Internet is undefeated.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Erica Kirk's backstory. So, hey, I said Shabbat shalom, James Lee. I said Shabbat shalom, James Lee. I said it with my Chucky eyes. I said it. You like that pic? So here's someone. Who is this? Noxy Noxy put together an even better video. And some of it's really hard to hear, but I'll tell you what it is.

[Erica Kirk]

Ready is when I lived out here, I was here for five years. I never dated here because I saw vicariously through my roommate how terrible it was.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So here she is on a date. So she went on a reality show and here she is on a date. So he's saying, great about all of this. And I don't know, I just wanted to get to know you a little bit more. There she is. They're on a date. I don't know, I just wanted to get to know you a little bit more.

[Jimmy Dore]

And like, I mean, I don't even.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Know how long you've been in New York. Gosh, New York.

[Erica Kirk]

I moved here four years ago somehow.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So there she is. She's. And she says getting drinks was A.

[Erica Kirk]

Well and drinks was the replacement of having coffee and breakfast. I personally would rather have coffee or brunch with someone. Then I think you're a bright light in a very dark place.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So let's go grab a mojito. So there she is out partying there. He says, let's go grab a mojito. Can I get your number? Yeah. Bet they're real.

[Erica Kirk]

I don't drink. I find it unproductive. Just I don't drink. I find it unproductive.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So there she is. There they are on their first date. They met in that nightclub. He got her number. Now they are on a first date. You guys want to have a drink or food maybe? And she says, I'll have a glass of your chardonnay. So this is how good I'll have a what? It's on video. What are the chances we would have a video of her ordering a cocktail? I'm gonna guess 100%.

[Erica Kirk]

The Lord is. He knew that because I was not dating in New York City, he knew that in order for me to know that that was my man, he had to blanket Charlie as a job interview. Because if that went in, no joke, if he came to me and said, hey, let's go on a date to Bill's Burgers, I'd be like, I am so sorry. I thank you, but no, we're not.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

So it wasn't Bill's Burgers. It was someplace called Sugar Mama. Is that what it was called?

[Jimmy Dore]

The majority of my life being one.

[FBI Director Patel]

Of the most sought after bachelors.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

He spent most of his life being one of the most sought after bachelors. That's what that guy just said. Wow, Good for him. He's got a real good sense of ego. Two weeks later, And according to this video, two weeks later, she was hooked up with Charlie. So there you go, more real sus stuff coming out of her. I didn't date for five years. Does anybody believe that? Does anybody leave that woman in the bikini showing she wasn't dating it? Does anybody believe someone who wants to go on a reality show wasn't dating? Does anybody believe that somebody's living in a young woman, a model, sexy model, who's who's being who's who has no problem doing provocative photo shoots, which I have nothing against, by the way, all four provocative photo shoots, but it seems to go against her brand. Hey, come see me on tour January 11th in Waikiki, Hawaii. On January 30th in Los Angeles at the Comedy Store. Go to jimmy dore.com for a link for tickets. Hey, this is jimmy. Who's this?

[FBI Director Patel]

What's that? Dude's cash patel.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

FBI director patel. How's everything going?

[FBI Director Patel]

Fucking awesome, dude.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Is that. Is that so?

[FBI Director Patel]

Yeah, dude, shit is sick. Me and my hot ass girlfriend just did this dope ass podcast with Katie Miller, the wife of Steve Miller. We talked about how much in love we are, defended ourselves against the shit talkers because fuck the haters, for real. And, yeah, things are good.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Is that. Is that really what you should be doing right now? Shouldn't you be doing the, you know, like, FBI work?

[FBI Director Patel]

Dude, I literally just told you with Stephen Miller's wife. He's in the government, too. So this is like a government podcast. Dude, you are allowed to podcast if it's a government adjacent podcast or a conservative podcast, and this was both, so suck it.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

All right. Shouldn't you be looking for the Brown University shooter?

[FBI Director Patel]

Oh, that. Dude, that case is, like, solving itself.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Really?

[FBI Director Patel]

Yeah, dude, we already caught a guy, a person of interest.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

You mean the one you released a few hours later?

[FBI Director Patel]

So fucking what, dude? Point is, we caught a guy, like, almost immediately. Okay, sure, he was the wrong ass dude, but who gives a shit? I still got to go on Twitter and be like, attention, please. To announce that we have a person of interest in custody, shout out to my boys, randy and them, etc. And if people saw that shit, dude, you know how many impressions that tweet got? That shit gets you points on the board. Social media cloud, homie.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

But, but, but, but, but, but.

[FBI Director Patel]

And then dovetailed with the release of that podcast, which was timed this way on purpose. He talked about how much I love my girlfriend. Fucking genius, dude. My profile, public perception, social media presence, all augmented like a. You know how this game is. You know. You know better than anyone how this game is played, dude. You're all about counting the metrics. You have to be on that shit.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Yeah, but I'm an entertainer, slash analyst. My job is not to solve crimes.

[FBI Director Patel]

In a way, isn't everyone's job to solve crimes?

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

No, not at all.

[FBI Director Patel]

Yeah, I guess that was sort of a reach.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Okay, Director Patel, the point is that the shooter's still at large.

[FBI Director Patel]

Exactly, dude. Which means that there is just another opportunity for the cycle to repeat, perhaps several times. Just giving me more and more clout each time. Social media impressions, Fox News appearances, fucking podcasts. Boom, boom, boom. I literally cannot lose.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

You know, if I didn't know any better, I might suspect you're purposely catching and releasing patsies purely to get this clout. You're talking about?

[FBI Director Patel]

I'm not necessarily saying that. I'm not doing that, but that is actually a sick idea, dude. No, cap. Thank you.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Okay, let's just reset here. Director Patel, Can you tell us. Can you tell us anything about where the investigation stands right now?

[FBI Director Patel]

Okay, fine. So there's a second dude now, another person of interest, and we're looking for his ass. All right, I'll keep you posted. Wherever.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

All right. All right, thank you. Is this. Is this the individual shown in the video released by the FBI?

[FBI Director Patel]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

What makes this individual a person of interest?

[FBI Director Patel]

Well, we found a surveillance video. Some dude walking around looking at stuff. Had a lot of on. He was kind of fat. We're like, who knows? Maybe it's this dude.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

That's it? No forensic evidence?

[FBI Director Patel]

I don't know. What should we be looking for?

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

I don't know either, but I'm not the head of the FBI.

[FBI Director Patel]

Well, then why don't you go bother whoever the fuck that is?

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

That's you.

[FBI Director Patel]

Fuck. That's right. God damn it. He's still, like, thinking in, you know. Look, we will find his ass. Randy and them are on this shit, dude.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

And what if you bring him in and he's not the shooter? The real shooter will have had a week or more head start on you. What then?

[FBI Director Patel]

I don't know. I. We would podcast that.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

No, sir. Not a good idea. A mass shooter like this completely getting away with. With his crime is almost unprecedented. Can you really afford to have that happen on your watch?

[FBI Director Patel]

We won't let that happen, dude. We'll pull out all the stops. We will appeal directly to the public for help. We'll go on every podcast.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Enough with the podcast.

[FBI Director Patel]

But I like them. It's a good hang. I could go on a comedy podcast and roast the shooter. Maybe that would help somehow in some way.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Okay, well, I wanted to get a sense of where the investigation stands, and I think my question has been answered.

[FBI Director Patel]

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Dude, why are you being a sarcastic bitch all of a sudden? Are you talking shit right now right to my face?

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Yes, FBI Director Patel, I am indeed talking shit right to your face. What are you going to do about it?

[FBI Director Patel]

Nothing. Probably nothing.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Yeah. Okay then, Director Patel, thanks for your time.

[FBI Director Patel]

All right. Thanks for your assistance in getting the word out, Jimmy. Oh, and when this vid drops, be sure to tag me so I can cross post on all my platforms. Cool dog. Thanks, K. Patty out.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Hey, become a premium member. Go tojimmy door comedy.com. sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McCray. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be? And I'll keep being me. Don't freak out? Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't. Do not freak out. I'm not kidding.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Do not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

[FBI Director Patel]

I'm not.

[Jimmy Dore (main narrator)]

Don't freak out, don't freak out? Do not freak out, Freak out.