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Jimmy Dore
Foreign June 26th and 27th in Levantown, New York. August 30th we're doing a live panel celebrity show in Burbank, California. That's a Sunday, August 30th. Tickets always go fast on that. And then we'll be September 18th through the 20th will be in Chicago, Illinois. Go to jimmydar.com for a link for tickets.
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Kyle Anzlone
Establishment media sucks.
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Misty Winston
August lighting so good luck.
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James Lee
Bullshit.
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Kyle Anzlone
We can't afford why he's fomenting this. Watch and see as his jack off the medium speeds and jumps the medium
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James Lee
and hit some head on.
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Kyle Anzlone
It's the chimney door show.
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Jimmy Dore
You know that the COVID vaccines are toxic and that they cause way amount of adverse events. More than any other vaccine that's been recommended. In fact, let me just play you a 30 second clip here to explain this to you.
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Dr. Anna Sharsman
Swine flu vaccine 1976. There was one serious adverse event per hundred thousand people vaccinated and the vaccine was withdrawn. This is good because the principle is we should do no harm and the vaccine should be good for the individual that receives the vaccine. So vaccine was withdrawn. Rotavirus vaccine Rotashield 19991 to 2 serious adverse events per 10,000 people given the vaccine and again rightly, the vaccine was withdrawn at the moment. COVID19MRNA vaccines there's one serious adverse event per 800 people that are vaccinated and the vaccine is officially promoted. Now, some of you might be a little confused about this. Join the club. So am I.
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Jimmy Dore
So someone's doing something about it, or at least trying to shed light on it. It's Senator Ron Johnson. He's a Republican US Senator from Wisconsin and he's currently serves as the chair of the permanent subcommittee on investigations and he's been holding hearings on the COVID 19 vaccine. Welcome to the show, Senator Ron Johnson.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, Jimmy, first of all, thanks for having me on. Because the majority of the legacy media is completely ignoring what I consider the greatest government scandal in my lifetime. And I loved that you had that clip of Dr. John Campbell. He's been doing great work, as have you, in terms of trying to bring the truth to the American public. So thanks for having me on.
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Jimmy Dore
It's my pleasure. And you actually have a report unmasked how Biden health officials purposely turned a blind eye towards COVID 19 vaccine safety signals.
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James Lee
And
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Jimmy Dore
you explain how they did masking. And I just wanted to tell what is masking? It occurs when data about side effects from multiple vaccines are added together. This mathematically hides signals that are attributable to Any one specific vaccine. It's a known flaw. And it was especially problematic when a new vaccine that is being administered to hundreds of millions of people is analyzed. And of course, someone at the FDA caught this. Dr. Sartzman, she developed a method to address this problem. And her analysis found approximately 25 previously undetected safety signals. And she didn't keep it to herself. Beginning in early 2021, she shared her findings with the FDA officials who are responsible for monitoring the safety of the COVID 19 vaccines. They largely ignored her and, and eventually told her to stop. And so this is what your report talks about, this masking and this using mathematical mumbo jumbo to hide this, the, the adverse events. Isn't that what's happening?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Correct. And Jimmy, because we have some time, if we can back up and just kind of lay some foundational information for the audience. The Vayer system, the vaccine adverse event reporting system, was established in 1990. Prior to 2021, on average, VAERS reported about 280 deaths associated with various vaccines. 280 deaths, you know, anaphylactic shock, that type of thing. In 2021, with the advent of the COVID injections, they reported 21,000 worldwide deaths. So 280 on average to all of a sudden, 21,000. Now, prior to the COVID injection, when you've got all this data, you're trying to sift through the data. And so they needed some sort of mathematical algorithms to analyze the data. So fda, CDC used something called proportional reporting ratio. So they're looking for disproportionate adverse events as a signal for a drug or for a vaccine. So remember that prr, that's what CDC used. The FDA used something called empirical Bayesian analysis. So two different analytical algorithms for looking at all this data. You know, these thousands of reports that come in. So now fast forward to the end of 2020 when they got the emergency use authorization for the vaccines. I can quickly explain what masking is. 21,000 deaths in 2021. So he had Moderna. These are rough figures. So you had Moderna, say 10,000 deaths associated with the Moderna vaccine. And you had The Pfizer, about 21,000 deaths associated with the associated with the Pfizer vaccine, and then 280 deaths with all of the vaccines. So if you look at Pfizer, you look at 10,000 deaths and compare that to Moderna, 10,000 plus 280. There's nothing disproportionate about that. Right? It's equally safe, equally dangerous. Then you look At Pfizer. Compare that to Moderna 10,000 versus 10,280. Again, nothing disproportionate. Equally safe, equally dangerous. But you and I, we didn't need a sophisticated algorithm 2021, when you went from 280 deaths per year to 21,000. So now let's talk about what we have discovered. Because of Bobby Kennedy's commitment to radical transparency. We got 11 million pages. The FDA, CDC was not cooperating with us or Kennedy. Kennedy finally said no. Give him this data dump. So 11 million pages. We discovered that Peter Marks, the head of CBER, this is the division within FDA that approves vaccines and then surveils for safety, was warned by Dr. Anna Sharsman that their algorithm is going to hide in mass safety signals. 26 days later, they developed a new algorithm and they showed Dr. Marks and senior FDA officials 25 safety signals on things like sudden cardiac death, pulmonary infarction, Bell's palsy, different types of strokes. For three consecutive months, they kept doing data runs showing more adverse events. And do you think Peter Marks and the official FDA pinned a metal on her badge and said, thank you? This is what we're looking for. We were searching for needles in the haystack. We were trying to find those little signals so we could warn doctors, we could inform the public. So they had informed consent? No, the exact opposite. They told her to cease and desist. They said, we didn't ask for this. This isn't your job. Quit giving us these data runs. We talked to Dr. Shartzman. She said she was viewed as a pest. So understand. On March 1st of 2021, FDA officials already knew the algorithm they were going to use was going to hide safety signals. They clung to that algorithm. They didn't use the new one. So they go live the American public and say, we're not seeing safety signals. Okay, that's the basic main part of this story. There's more details. Go to CDC. They're using PRR. We found about that in our oversight. Probably late 2021, late 2022, a bunch of us, including children, health, defense, ICANN, myself, Epoch Times, we did FOIA requests. We did. I wrote oversight letters. I wanted that PRR data because again, I'm seeing the veirs explode with these adverse events and deaths. I wanted to see, what do you know about a cdc? What do you know about it? Fda, they refuse to turn over the PRR data. That's the only thing we knew about. Finally, under pressure, probably from the Epoch Times, they turned over the PRR data. And there were over 100 safety signals showing that data. But they explained and said no, no, no, this is all noise. This is junk. PRR is a bad system. Just like they, by the way dumped on vaers. We're going to use a more sophisticated empirical Bayesian model that the FDA uses. That's the one that Peter Marks was warned was going to hide safety signals. Again, this is unbelievably corrupt. I know this is. I probably went on too long.
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Jimmy Dore
No, no, keep going. Take all the sides.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Complex. This is really complex. But your listeners have to understand how thoroughly corrupt the FDA and the CDC was in hiding what they knew, what. What was obvious to those of us who just looked at bears. But you remember they were trashing bears, right? So let me do what I can only surmise based on this story. So let's put yourself in the shoes of Peter Marks. You've gone ahead under pressure, probably granted the emergency use authorization for these Covid injections. Now you're watching VAERS and you are seeing VAERS deluged with adverse events. Right? The contractor, the inputs VAERS reports had to hire 290 additional people just to clear the backlog. So you're freaking out. You just approved this thing. It's killing people, it's disabling people. But you just found out that your algorithm been using for how many years is going to hide in mass safety signals. So you cling to it and you say we have to be consistent. We can't change algorithms in the midst of a pandemic. We have to stay consistent. Just so happens that's going to hide safety signals. So you go to the American public and lie. Bold face. We're just not seeing safety signals. What adverse events we're seeing are rare and mild. And here's what's even sicker. Also in March of 2021, again, this is less than three months after the start of the administration of these injections. The NIH was beginning to diagnose and treat patients with these COVID injection injuries. About a couple dozen. They told them to stay silent. They said we want to conduct, we want to complete our studies so that we can give complete information to the medical community so they know how to treat this stuff. They never released that study until under pressure by the COVID the injection injured. They finally released it in 2022. But they didn't tell anybody about it. They just put it. They just put it on a pre print server. Kind of like the Grinch stole Christmas. Solve world hunger, Tell no one. So again The NIH was treating people, vaccine injured. FDA was lying that they weren't seeing these safety signals. And as a result, the American public was not informed. Remember, Biden was out there saying, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. They're saying, vaccinate your children. They got it approved. They got approved for children. Vaccinate your children so they don't infect your parents, your grandparents, and kill them. Of course, they never tested this. Does it stop transmission? Later on we found out, no, it doesn't stop transmission. So people went ahead voluntarily and took this injection. Children died. We now know children died. That's been confirmed by the FDA when they've looked at the child deaths. And again, I think it's way understated, but people believe the fda, millions of people had adversity against. At least tens of thousands died without that information past March 1st. Tens of thousands more people died without the information that the FDA should have told not only doctors, but the American public. There was no informed consent on these injections.
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Jimmy Dore
And so where, where does the corruption come from? It's just big pharma money and the promise of jobs and the rotating between regulatory. So it's regulatory capture. Correct.
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Senator Ron Johnson
There's no doubt about that's part of the problem. Okay, yes, Big pharmaceuticals captured these agencies. They've corrupted them. But again, if you're the people pushing this, if you're the people that approved it, do you want to admit that something you approve, something you pushed on people, killed them or permanently disabled them? That's why to this day, doctors by and large aren't admitting this. The federal health officials still aren't. The media certainly is. I mean. I mean, all these people, members of Congress, they cut videos, you'll get that jab and Stephen Colbert. All these people push this on the American public, on the global public. So at this point in time, there's such cognitive dissonance. They don't want to believe that something that they mandated, coerced, recommended, pushed on people, killed them, or permanently disable them. Which is why I cannot get on a major news network with what I consider is the greatest scandal in government history.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, I mean, well, we. We went from someone like Chris Cuomo, who was the most popular anchor on cnn, who was repeating Big Pharma propaganda that was lies, and fda, CDC propaganda that were also lies, as you're revealing here. He went from doing that at the top of his lungs, and not only that, but discrediting anybody who actually was skeptical or had a question of the official Government narrative, which is exactly what journalists are supposed to do. And then he himself got vaccine injured and he got fired from cnn. And now he actually tells the truth about it. And he talks about early treatments such as Ivermectin, and he talks about how he himself was lied to about Ivermectin. So it takes them to get fired from their job in corporate media to finally be able to tell the truth. And the reason why is 70% of the funding for cable news comes directly from big Pharma. And the reason why they advertise drugs on television isn't because they're actually trying to sell you that drug. What they're trying to do is make the media reliant on their money so then they can control what they say and what they don't say. And, and that's pretty obvious, right? At this point, we're the only country besides New Zealand since 1997. Bill Clinton signed the law that allowed them to direct market to consumers drugs, which is the craziest thing. No place else in the world except New Zealand is just as corrupt as the United States. So take it wherever you want on that.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, so in my former life, I was a sales guy. Sold plastic, right? You look at those ads that big pharma spends billions of dollars on major networks and on cable news. There's no way you would ever buy that product. There's no way a sales, serious salesperson would put an ad like that and spend billions of dollars. Because first of all, at the end of the ad, it shows all the adverse events or adverse events that could occur, including death. But you don't even know what these drugs are for. Does it teach you how to throw a Frisbee to your dog? So those ads are absolutely useless except for one reason and one reason only. To buy the media, to buy the narrative. And so prior to 1987, you actually had serious journalism. I mean, Mike Wallace had a serious piece on 60 Minutes about the swine flu vaccine. It's one of the reasons it got pulled. You had Phil Donahue do it. You had other people. Serious journalism. But once 1997 occurred, that's it. There had been some journalism on this, but by and large, the, the mantra of safe and effective, you know, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. What adverse events you have are rare and mild. It overwhelms any kind of serious journalism. And quite honestly, you know, people like you, who, I'm sure you paid a pretty, pretty heavy price in terms of your career and stuff, speaking Out. Thank you for doing so. But those of us who've tried to tell the American people the truth, we get vilified, we get marginalized, we get ridiculed. That's again, why so appreciative of what you've been doing here on your show and having me on here to talk about this?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, yeah, we know. Completely ostracized. You know, I live in Hollywood and so everybody completely ostracized me. I've been dropped from the invite list to everything. And I've been slandered left and right by people I've known for 30 years, people who've been on my show, people who've been my friends for 30 years, go on social media without ever having a conversation with me about it. Like they would never say, hey, Jimmy, what's. Explain to me what you're saying about the vax. Explain to me what you're saying about. They just went right on social media and called me a grifter and a liar and the worst, even way worse than that. And so again, without a conversation. So it's the opposite of how science works. And these people have turned. You know, most of those people are not religious or spiritual or believe in God. And as Carl Jung has taught us, that if you don't have a connection to the divine, your psyche still has a need for it. So what they've done is they've created science as their religion and they've created Fauci as a deity. And of course you can't question religion or a deity or that makes you a heretic. So that's exactly what they've done. And of course, it's the opposite of how science works. Science works on questioning. There's no such thing as settled science. That's a made up term, just like safe and effective. That's again, we find and we find out that they've been lying about everything when it comes to Covid. They lied about not only where the vaccine, where the virus came from, they said it came from nature. We now know it came from a lab and that was funded by Dr. Fauci. And even though it was stopped by President Obama, he went through a CIA cutout called Echo Health alliance to keep that funding, that research going, which is so dangerous that it created this virus. So they lied about the creation of the virus. They lied about where it came from. They lied about masks. They lied about the vaccine stopping transmission. They lied about the vaccine stopping contraction. They lied about herd immunity, natural immunity. They lied about lockdowns, social distancing. There Wasn't a thing that they haven't lied about. And every, and you'll see every once in a while a mainstream publication will admit it. Like now even the New York Times will admit that, yeah, lockdowns were a bad thing. All the people who are all pushing that, well, they eventually come around to admitting it, but it gets no publicity. And including what's going on right now, what are the news. You know, you're doing amazing work with your committee and I, in fact, I. So here there's video, so there's videos of your hearings and you have the top doctors in their fields, the most cited doctors in their fields come and testify at your. And it gets absolutely no coverage in the mainstream media. So here's the plausible mechanisms of COVID 19 injection causing cancer and attacks on scientific publications. And so they can go, so they go watch that video, but nobody's covering. So do you have conversations with the people at the news media and what do they tell you when you ask to come on?
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Senator Ron Johnson
They just don't have me on. No, I mean, trust me, my comms people, we are bugging these guys. I'm calling them out on. I was on with Jake Tapper on CNN on another subject and I said, hey Jack, I just sent you my report. You ought to read this and then have me back on. That was weeks ago. I just recently text him, hey, Jake, have you read it? Gonna have me on? He said, well, I sent that over to our health department. So no, I mean, the major networks won't. I mean, CBS's credit, Major Garrett had me on their streaming service Fox and Fox Business is having me on. You know, people like you are having me on. But no, this, this is, you know, I've been holding excellent hearings. You know, voice of the vaccine injured. We let people, childhood vaccine injuries finally have a voice to tell their story. And you know, my ranking member, Richard Blumenthal, who has to be bought and paid for by Big Pharma, he literally held a press conference for that hearing and said, I hope nobody watches this. This isn't worthy. This isn't. Doesn't have the credibility for people to actually watch this hearing again. We're having people whose lives have been destroyed by vaccine injuries and he's telling people look away. So no, we've got a real problem here in terms of just the cognitive distance. You mentioned this to religion. I don't know. You probably had Aaron Seri on if you haven't interview him. He wrote the book vaccines on Men which just lays out the facts and People that we all understand the appeal of vaccines if you just get a shot and that prevents you from ever getting a deadly disease. Yeah, sign me up. And by the way, I got all the shots until I started getting educated on this, how there's not been proper studies and the vaccine injuries are completely discounted in the cost benefit analysis.
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Jimmy Dore
So let me just play a short video of one of the leading, if not the leading cardiologist in the world, Dr. McCullough and he's one of the top three most cited published doctors in the world also. And here's just a brief compilation of some of the stuff he said at one of your hearings which they will never show on the pharma funded establishment media.
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Dr. Peter McCullough
80% of Americans took a vaccine, 20% didn't. 20% did not take a vaccine. The vaccine was never safe enough for me to take. Messenger RNA devised by Pfizer Moderna has been chemically modified to be unassailable to enzymes in the body to be broken down. The messenger RNA is found in the human heart of people who die after the vaccine. It's found in the brain. The spike protein is found everywhere in the body. Three studies now show the spike protein is circulating in the blood for six to nine months after people take the shot. This part of the virus, the lethal part of the virus in the vaccinated, it's circulating in the blood and then they take a booster, they get more circulating the blood. It is a killer protein. It cannot be safe. It was not safe by design. Safety trumps efficacy. We cannot tolerate false drug claims. This is in the peer reviewed literature. This is not misinformation.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Our first witness is Dr. Peter McCarthy.
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Jimmy Dore
So again that's a leading doctor and what he's letting you know that we were lied to. Oh repeatedly. That they said when the vaccine went into your arm, it stayed in your arm and it didn't travel throughout your body. And what he's telling you is that no, there's studies after study that shows you peer reviewed studies now that shows you that it travels throughout your body, goes to your crosses the blood, brain barrier, goes to your heart, causes myocarditis, goes to ovaries, goes to testes, goes to kidneys, goes everywhere in the body. And there's still most doctors don't know this. And the reason I know that most doctors is because the Democrats had A doctor named Dr. Scott on to as their witness. And here you are asking him about this very point. Let me just play this quick video and it shows you he does know anything about it. Let's watch this.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Mr. Scott, how much do you know about the MRNA technology?
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Jimmy Dore
A fair amount.
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Senator Ron Johnson
So is the MRNA that's encapsulating the lipid nanoparticles, is that true MRNA? It's a true MRNA. I mean, true MRNA. Your mastery RNA degrades very rapidly in the body, correct?
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Dr. Anna Sharsman
Correct.
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Senator Ron Johnson
So the MRNA in the injection, is it true mRNA, does it degrade rapidly in the body? Do you not know?
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Kyle Anzlone
I do know.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Yes, it does. But it does. No, it does not. It's modified. It's modified mRNA, and it's designed not to degrade. And there are studies that show it sticks around the body. We don't know how long. The lipid nanoparticle, do you realize that it was designed to permeate difficult to permeate barriers like the blood, brain, like placenta barrier. Did you know that? Did you believe when Fauci told us that the MRNA shot would stay in the arm, did you believe that? It's a simple yes. No, I mean, do you believe the co injection stayed in everybody's arm? Do you believe that's what happened?
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Kyle Anzlone
Primarily?
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Senator Ron Johnson
You think so, huh? Were you aware of the Japanese foia, of the study that was conducted of biodistribution, where in rats, it biodistributed all over the body, accumulated in the adrenal glands in the ovaries. Because the lipid nanoparticle is designed to permeate difficult to permeate barriers.
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James Lee
They knew.
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Senator Ron Johnson
The designers knew and they did a study. They would biodistribute all over the body. But our cdc, Anthony, felt, she said it was going to stick in the arm. Now, do you know what the MRNA does? It's not a traditional vaccine, is it? Do you realize that? It's not an attenuated or a dead virus. It's messenger rna, modified rna, this encapsulated lipid nanoparticle, it distributes all over the body, and when it attaches to a cell, it unloads its MRNA into the cell and turns the cell into a manufacturing cell of a protein that is toxic to it. Do you realize that? Are you aware of that? I mean, just yes or no. I mean, do you know that or not? Because I talk to a lot of doctors, don't have a clue.
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Jimmy Dore
He doesn't know anything. He doesn't. And this guy was brought to testify as an expert, and he's a doctor and he doesn't know anything. And that's my been experience. My experience also firsthand, is that most doctors don't know anything about it. Because people who become. And you're not a doctor, and you would know, you understand it way. It's not hard to understand these things, right? So that's the whole point. You don't have to be an expert to read a study and know what they're actually saying. It's not, you know, it's not Latin. We can understand it. You understand it, I understand it. Lots of people understand it. But they're never presented in the media. The only people who are presented are people like that who don't know anything, or people like Dr. Fauci who do know things about it and are intentionally lying. Do you think that anyone will ever be prosecuted? Because as you pointed out, they knew this. This wasn't like something they discovered later. They knew this and did it anyway and lied anyway.
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Senator Ron Johnson
But let's talk about Dr. Jake Scott. He does a lot of TV appearances, so they kind of brought him in as this expert. I was pretty well shocked that he wasn't prepared that he didn't know these things. But fast forward to a couple of weeks ago. We held that hearing on plausible mechanisms in cancer. And the person that Blumenthal brought in, eminent oncologist, she's chair president of an oncology society. She didn't know it either. In her testimony, she said, this MRNA degrades within 20 seconds, whatever, 20 minutes in the body. I asked her pretty much the exact same things I asked Dr. Jake Scott, and she was every bit as clueless. You would think the Democrat staff would at least warn their witness after what Dr. Jay Scott went through, that embarrassing display of ignorance. They would have at least coached their eminently qualified oncologists to at least be aware of what the MRNA vaccine was. By the way, she was definitively saying there's no proof that the MRNA injections cause cancer. There's no proof. Well, again, there's not going to be
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Jimmy Dore
proof if you don't.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Look, first of all, you're completely ignorant of what the shot is. And if you even it's in front of your face, you'll never. You'll never acknowledge this proof. I mean, we had eminent oncologists that say, you know, in their clinics, they're seeing this. You know, Dr. Wafik Eldiri, he's the one that wrote the paper laying out, you know, studying 300 cases and laying out the plausible mechanism for that injection to cause cancer. All they're saying is, let's do more research. But these guys want to shut the research down. So it's already no we already know there's. There's no reason to look at this any further. We know. We're experts. There's no proof, end of story, move on. You guys are whack jobs.
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Jimmy Dore
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James Lee
This is Terry Bradshaw. In case you don't know Terry Bradshaw, he was basically. He's known as the thinking man's Rob Gronkowski. You got to know football to get that joke.
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Jimmy Dore
Anyway, he's not the brightest.
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James Lee
He's not the sharpest knife in the knife thing. And. So here he's on Joe Rogan. And at first I thought he was gonna get. He start talking about ivermectin and Covid. And I thought, Terry Bradshaw got it.
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Jimmy Dore
Cause he like, he does like a
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James Lee
fake out at first.
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Jimmy Dore
You think he's.
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James Lee
Well, let's watch.
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Jimmy Dore
Here we go.
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Terry Bradshaw
I got in trouble one time for saying people were having. During the COVID thing, they were taking ivermectin. He may have taken ivermectin. And I gave. I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But I've met them. We. I used to give it to the cattle.
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Joe Rogan
Right?
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Terry Bradshaw
That's what.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah.
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Terry Bradshaw
And I had a Not. Speaking of brains, this is true. We're in Hawaii. I run into a brain surgeon and he says, are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said, I had it, got over it, you know, I'm all right now. And he says, wow. He says, bo. He said, I take ivermectin.
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Misty Winston
Man.
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Terry Bradshaw
That's been. I said, brain surgeon. And I said to him, obviously, I said, really? You. It's cattle dewormer. Ivermectin kills parasites. So I just left it at that. And I walked in and going, brain surgery. I never could rationalize that kind of thinking, but.
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James Lee
So let's remember Terry Bradshaw played football when they still use leather helmets.
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Jimmy Dore
Okay,
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James Lee
so here we are, 20, 26. He still doesn't understand that he was lied to about Ivermectin. Like every one of my other Hollywood friends don't understand that they were lied to about Ivermectin. And nor do they care that they were. But you saw, and there he is, he's saying this brain surgeon. I'm not, I'm not about to listen to some brain surgeon. I got to get a second opinion from the lifeguard. Oh, cabana boy. What do you think about Ivermectin? Got some brain surger. So Joe, Joe straightens him. So Joe straightens him up.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, you know Ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings for use in human beings.
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Terry Bradshaw
No, I didn't know.
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Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's good.
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Jimmy Dore
I wonder if it would help with
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James Lee
Terry Bradshaw's dementia for yellow fever.
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Joe Rogan
Dengue fever. It's an anti parasitic that also has antiviral properties.
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Terry Bradshaw
I didn't know that. Obviously I wasn't as well informed as you are.
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James Lee
Yeah, no shit.
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Terry Bradshaw
Honestly did not know that you. That a human take cybermen, but I
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Joe Rogan
will say it's actually invented for humans.
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Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I actually didn't know that. And I, and I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. He wasn't the only one that told me that.
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Joe Rogan
Well, the problem was, it was. That was a narrative that was all over the news is that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, cows.
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Terry Bradshaw
I only knew it was cattle.
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Joe Rogan
It's a, it is a dewormer. But that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No. Well, they use penicillin on animals, they also use penicillin on humans. It's like it's medicine. We're mammals, we have similar medicines. That's what ivermectin is. It stops viral replication. And that's the benefit.
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Terry Bradshaw
Was it proven to stop?
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Joe Rogan
There's a ton of studies, there's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it, but there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated.
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Senator Ron Johnson
I got one over here.
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Joe Rogan
Thank you. But the reason why they wanted to get everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective, it's because they wanted to make a lot of money. And that's what they did.
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Terry Bradshaw
Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're
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Kyle Anzlone
talking about a lot of money.
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Jimmy Dore
Wow. I'm shocked that the Big Pharma would
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James Lee
lie to us to make a lot of money.
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Jimmy Dore
I don't.
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James Lee
Jimmy, I used to work for Big Pharma.
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Unknown Panelist
You know this.
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James Lee
I know that James Lee worked for Big Pharma.
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Jimmy Dore
Yep.
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Joe Rogan
So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up because I got caught in the crossfires of the Ivermectin and
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Terry Bradshaw
see, I. But I. You knew more about it than I did because. Well, I had a fun being a farmer. That's all I'd used it for.
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Unknown Panelist
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
Very effective as a dewormer.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah.
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Joe Rogan
But it. It also stops viral replication and.
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Terry Bradshaw
But I wasn't gonna take it. I don't care if they just said, this is great. I wouldn't.
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Joe Rogan
You wouldn't take it even if it
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Senator Ron Johnson
was prescribed to you by your doctor?
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Terry Bradshaw
Well, it'd be a different story, right? Well, my doctor says I'm married to a doctor, and my doctor said we're not taking him.
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Joe Rogan
Really?
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James Lee
Yeah. What? Yeah, his wife is a doctor. And still.
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Jimmy Dore
What the.
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James Lee
I feel like I'm as dumb as he is now. Just listening to him made me dumber. I think when fox pays you 5 million a year, you overlook things like affordable medicine and genocide. Yeah.
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Jimmy Dore
Ah, wow. I thought this was supposed to be a comedy show.
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James Lee
So I asked Croc, I asked Grok, I said, hey, are there studies saying
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Jimmy Dore
ivermectin has antiviral properties?
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James Lee
Yes, there are multiple peer reviewed studies demonstrating that ivermectin is antiviral property properties, particularly in laboratory in vitro settings, against ranges of virus broad spectrum antiviral activity. A 2020 systematic review summarized decades of research showing ivermectin's effects on various RNA viruses. Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, HIV1, influenza, SARS CoV2 and some DNA viruses. So decades. They've known this. They've been studying this for decades. That's how big of a fucking lie they told about ivermectin. And everybody I know in Hollywood still believes that lie because, you know, they're good people.
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Senator Ron Johnson
I think that list.
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Jimmy Dore
That list is actually the LGBT thing
- [36:26]
James Lee
that ZD ZD yell W famous. In Vitro SARS COV 2 Study, a widely cited 2020 paper by Kelly et al. Found that ivermectin in inhibited SARS CoV2 replication in cell culture, achieving a 5000 fold reduction in viral RNA within 48 hours at certain concentrations. So they know. They've known this. They know this. They kept lying. So then I asked, are there current credible studies that show ivermectin could be effective in treating certain cancers. Yes, these are credible preclinical studies showing potential anti cancer effects and ivermectin but human clinical evidence remains very limited and preliminary. As of mid-2026, multiple peer reviewed reviews of studies24,25 demonstrate that ivermectin can inhibit cancer cell proliferation, induce apoptosis which is programmed cell deaths and reduce metastasis in various cell lines. Target perhaps like so you get it, it's fucking. I can't read that shit. I got Terry, Terry Bradshaw. Brave and so potentially it reverses drug resistance like chemotherapy. Like I can't say that and the synergize with other treatments. So recent 2025 reviews Oncology reports summarize these mechanisms and call Ivermectin a promising reaction repurposing candidate due to its established safety profile as an anti so it's already known to be super safe and so that's why they want to use it because it treats cancer. Not only does it treat all kinds of viruses, including ever including Covid it also now could kill cancer. And still my friends in Hollywood think it's a fucking horse dewormer just like Terry Bradshaw. It gets better. So now I ask, I ask Rock because I. Because I also talked to him about hydroxychloroquine and he admitted it also treats. I said so now if you are an investigator or a detective trying to find the people who lied and potentially committed medical crimes, criminal acts during COVID knowing what you know, who would you investigate as truth seeking investigator, not a conspiracy. Here's how I would approach it. Methodically. Core questions. Did key individuals and institutions knowingly mislead the public, suppress viable early treatments, overstate risk benefits or prioritize institutional financial interests over evidence based medicine potentially causing unnecessary harm or deaths? This is about possible malfeasance, negligence or regulatory capture. Not automatically criminal acts which requires proving intent, corruption or clear violation of law. The top priorities for investigating in rough order, Anthony Fauci. First one they were was Anthony Fauci his role in gain of function, research funding and lab leak narrative management. Public statements on masks, vaccines, natural immunity and treatments. Coordination with social media and tech companies on censorship on the bus pressure culture described by insulin insiders like Paul Offit. He said that you had to be on the bus or off the bus With Fauci you couldn't disagree with anything he said or you were off the bus. And that's what that refers to Our FDA leadership, especially former CBER director Peter Marks and senior officials handling of emergency Use authorization decisions to revoke hydroxychloroquine emergency youth authorization while keeping others horse dewormer and fish tank cleaner style messages versus known human approval of both drugs Vaccine approvals and recommendations for low risk groups despite known myocarditis signals CDC leadership including former director Rochelle Walensky and current former staff changing definitions of what a vaccine is, what a fucking pandemic is Hospitalization and death counting methods Mask and school closure guidance Suppression of dissenting scientists like the Great Barrington Declaration Key repurpose drugs decision makers officials involved in the ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine clinical trial design so what he's saying there is that they rigged the trials to make them fail. That's what he's talking about. Those who are coordinated this aggressive public campaign against both drugs. So there's one more so he goes Pharmaceutical companies Pfizer, Moderna, Merck and Gilead clinical trials Design transparency, data withholding and post marketing surveillance and influence of regulatory bodies Pricing and lobbying around price pricing and lobbying around novel products versus off patent drugs Major medical journals and consensus gatekeepers like the New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, JAMA especially they redacted flawed papers on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin meta so they wrote these at the beginning of COVID they printed these articles in their medical journals that said hydroxychloroquine didn't work and and then they retracted them years later so they know that they were fucking doing bullshit and their role in shaping the settled science narrative Tech platforms and media this is what Grok would do if he was investigating the COVID scandal. Coordinated censorship of doctors Amplification of misinformation labels on repurposed drugs while promoting official narratives Paul Offit and other institutions Insider experts as a witness not primary target his admissions about the on the bus mentality are useful for understanding group dynamics. So finally investigate angles I would pursue. I'd look at emails, slack messages, internal documents, foia, congressional subpoenas Whistleblowers showing awareness that messaging was misleading Financial conflicts, grants, consulting fees, royalties, post government jobs Risk benefit analysis that were allegedly ignored for low risk populations Suppression patterns why certain doctors lost licenses or faced investigations while others did not harm metrics excess deaths, vaccine injury reports, missed early treatment opportunities Important reality check Many of these actions look more like groupthink, careerism, panic and institutional self preservation than grand criminal conspiracy. Incompetence and overconfidence can cause massive harm without meeting the legal threshold for criminal acts. However, if evidence shows deliberate suppression of safe cheap treatments while knowing they had potential benefit or knowingly misleading low risk groups about vaccines that accountability, civil, regulatory or in extreme cases criminal would be justified. Bottom line. I would start with fauci, the fda, the cdc, leadership and pharma influences networks using subpoenas, forensic document review and protected whistleblower testimony. The goal isn't to get people but to expose systemic failures so they don't repeat this is what a serious investigator would do. The public deserves full transparency on all of it.
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Unknown Panelist
Really.
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James Lee
And I just asked because one, one last thing I said so what was the infection fatality rate for people under 70 pre vaccine and after? So pre vaccine the under 70 0.09%, some say 0.03. Under 60 was 0.034%. Post vaccine it was. Let's see, let's go down. It was ifo dropped dramatically, blah blah. Oh, there it is. Frequently 0.01%. So the summary, just the key numbers. Pre vaccine under 70 0.09% pre vaccine under 60 0.03 post vaccine omicron era substantially lower, typically 0.05, often 0.01%. It was not. It was the fucking flu or less. It wasn't even that. And so let's just remember average seasonal flu under 70 0.01% to 0.04%. So that's almost exactly what Covid was. And remember nobody got the flu during COVID because the flu was afraid to
- [44:45]
Jimmy Dore
come out and get Covid.
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James Lee
So I just want to leave you with this tonight.
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Jimmy Dore
I just want to leave you with
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James Lee
Charlie Kirk said about all this.
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Unknown Panelist
I'm going to continue to ask the question. A 20 hour response in a country the size of New Jersey, that that begs a big explanation. And more importantly, America is significantly underwriting the Israeli government. $4 billion a year. We as American taxpayers deserve answers to this. We deserve answers also if we're going to get into a regional or world war based on an intel failure. So I mean we pay for this, what are we buying, right? I got smeared as a Jew hater, an anti Semite and conspiracy theorist because I said exactly what I just said and I refused to back down despite all the smears thrown at me. Because I learned during COVID I learned when they told us that it came from a bat in the Himalayas. I learned when they told us the vaccine was safe and effective. I learned when they told us that Ivermectin was horse paced, that you better keep asking questions because it's the only thing that keeps us free and don't
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James Lee
let anybody shame you. Keep asking questions. It's the only when someone tries to shut you down and shame you for asking questions. Tell them to go themselves and go back to Israel because we're Americans and we can question any thing we want to question. Thank you for coming out. I hope you had fun. Did you have a good time? Help me thank my panel. Jane Johnston, Bernadette Pauley, James Lee, Steph Samurano. I love you, love each other. Fuck the media. I'll see you in August 30th at our next live panel show. Thanks for coming out. Good night everybody.
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Misty Winston
Thank you everybody for tuning in to the Jimmy Dore show tonight. My name is Misty Winston. I'm your guest host. I'm joined by Kyle Anzlone. And now we're going to be talking about the Ohio State Success Sequence curriculum that they are trying to pass. So Ohio is poised to teach students marriage before children. This is literally curriculum that they have passed. Now for public schools in Ohio, it's called the Success Sequence. It's curriculum that is drawing praise from supporters about poverty prevention as they're arguing that 13 year olds should be getting married, by the way. So Ohio lawmakers approved proposed legislation that mandates teaching 6th grade through 12th grade students to wait until marriage to have children. Under amended substitute Senate Bill 276, success sequence curriculum includes specifically instructing students to first complete a high school education and secondly obtain full time work before deciding to reproduce. Quote the Department of Education and Workforce shall review and maintain a list of curriculum and resources for grades 6 to 12. About the success Sequence the legislation states Success Sequence refers to a three pronged framework for youth and young adults based on studies showing adults are more likely to live in poverty if they have children before being married, completing high school and securing a full time job. According to the bill. Section 3301 point or blah blah blah blah blah of the bill attributes the Success Success Sequence framework to research from diverse institutions. However, a Family Story Project study critiques the Success Sequence as a form of marriage fundamentalism that excludes alternative family arrangements such as single parent households. Quote Marriage is wonderful for many people, but it shouldn't be something you need for economic survival or societal approval, family Story Executive Director Nicole Rogers said in a statement online. Quote Our report shows how harmful a long history of promoting marriage has been and continues to be in offers key policy recommendations to begin moving forward and promote family justice for all. Too many are hurting right now because they don't fit one specific mold all families deserve dignity, equality and respect. Amended substitute Senate Bill 276 has passed the Ohio House and Senate. The legislation now awaits Governor Mike DeWine's final approval. Quote Any curriculum or resources on this list shall include and be consistent with evidence identified using the best research methods available describing the positive, personal and societal outcomes associated with the success sequence. The bill for their states. State Senator Christina Roger. Sorry, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. Proposed the legislation to aid in the state's entry into the Interstate Compact for School Psychologists. States that are already part of the pact include West Virginia, Colorado, Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Kansas, Nebraska and Virginia. The Interstate Compact for School Psychologists sets forth standards that help school psychologists obtain licenses to practice across state lines. So anyway, basically all this amounts to is that the government is now getting involved with instituting curriculum and public schools that tell your kids how to be the success sequence of life events like you have to graduate and listen. I mean, I guess I kind of agree that like that's a great. But parents, I think, can handle that. I think parents can have those conversations with their kids about what is the best course of action. And I had kids before I was married. I know, terrible, right? Living in sin over here. But I mean, I didn't really want to get married. I feel like marriage is a dying institution. It's really the only reason I'm married now is because I have kids and legally it just makes things easier. But marriage is a dying institution and I feel like it is really not the place of the government to be putting curriculum into publicly funded schools that lecture and teach about these types of things. Kyle, I know you're gonna agree with me because you're a libertarian.
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Kyle Anzlone
Yeah, I mean, just, just like with the first one. This is obviously supposed to be the role for parents because I mean, you know, I do think that this is probably the best way to develop through life is to get a job, get married and then start have kids. And look, you know, I, I use that loosely. Like if you're in a long term partnership with someone and you have kids and you're not. There's a lot of libertarians that don't believe in marriage because, you know, it's a state license, right? Like the there, there should be no state contract between a man and a woman, only the bond that you share. And if you make a pledge to God or something like that, you know, that's you and your partner's decision, not the government's decision. I think the biggest problem I have with this is you're probably going to have like, you know, some middle aged, divorced, unhappy teacher going over this with students and they're going to say, well, I don't want to end up like, how well did the DARE program work?
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Misty Winston
Right.
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Kyle Anzlone
I was like prime age for the DARE program. Right. And all my friends just learned what marijuana looked like.
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Misty Winston
Yeah.
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Kyle Anzlone
And you know what? To try to help you identify who might be a drug dealer. Not to avoid them, but so you could go, go ask for some drugs. So I imagine this is going to blow up in the government's face just as badly where students are going to look at this and they're going to see like that's uncool because like this uncool person, this unhappy person is telling me to follow this path in life when in reality these just need to be conversations that come up in the community and with parents and family members and to instill these values in children that I mean, just, you know, having a toddler in the house right now, I don't know how I would do it without my wife. And I'm sure she would, I hope would say the same thing about me that you know, like, it really does require a partnership and two parents to like, you know, not just like time wise and sleep wise and all that, but to like kind of balance each other out and like, you know, give the, give our child like a well rounded upbringing, you know, two people who are a little bit different to like give her, you know, the, the different viewpoints and outlets on life and things like that. So crazy that, you know, as poor as things are going in our schools, this is what right are the bureaucrats are doing in Massachusetts. They're looking at reorienting the entire educational curriculum and like goals for students, including making AI proficiency, a graduation for requirement, which is hilarious because, you know, the teacher's main complaint is that children are doing everything with AI and then they're not learning how to do it themselves. And so you're going to teach them how to use AI, but you're not going to, you know, allow them to use it. It, you know, it's like as absurd as when third grade they give you a calculator and then they say, oh, you can't use it for the math.
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Misty Winston
No, I love or like when they told us that you're not always going to have a calculator. Meanwhile, I, I do always, I have a calculator. Thank you for that. Thank you very much. But yes, this is my point.
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Dr. Peter McCullough
Point.
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Misty Winston
And I'm glad that you touched on this. Because I have many points, the first of which I already said I don't want the government instituting curriculum in public schools, telling my kids how to live their lives. All of that. I got that. Thanks. I'm. I got it. But also, I feel like our school systems are so. It's horrendous. Kids can't read, y'. All. Like, there are children, not even children. There are teenagers. There are people out there right now who cannot read. They, like, the literacy rate is atrocious. And we, we've reached this point in public education where, like, they're just passing kids, like, it doesn't matter what your grades are. It doesn't matter. And I've seen video after video after video of teachers complaining about this where a kid turns in an assignment four months late and they have to just give them credit for it. And they're like, there's. There's no accountability. There's no actual learning. And I sound like such a boomer right now. I'm sorry, I sound like really old, like old man yelling at the clouds. But our education system is garbage. And this is what we're going to. This, this is what we're doing. I feel like, no, thank you. I feel like, can we please get, you know, some actual literacy? Can we actually do some. And of course we can't, because that's not what our school systems are built for. Our school systems are built to make little workers, right? Like, that's it. They don't want you thinking none of that stuff. But this is, this is absurd to me that this is what we are spending time, energy, and effort on in the public school system. It sense makes. Makes no sense. It is, again, these are conversations that need to be had at home with parents. And I, I just, I don't understand why that is a controversial statement to make.
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Kyle Anzlone
And can I just add one more thing? Is, yes, the right wing counter to the, the pride stuff and the LGBT stuff in schools where they're trying to teach their, their version of culture to kids and indoctrinate them in that. And obviously these same Republicans who are pushing this in Ohio, if the curriculum said that, you know, all teachers must have, like, inclusive stories about parents, and so all the parents can't be heterosexual. There has to be homosexual or non traditional of other kinds of people in the literature that the kids are reading, they would oppose that, and I think they would be right to do so. I don't think that school should be about anything other than, you know, teaching kids basic history Science, civics, math, how to write. And, and that's the only thing that they really don't do anymore.
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Misty Winston
Right.
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Kyle Anzlone
You know, the kids who are very good at those things, it's not necessarily because of the curriculum and their teachers. It's just because those kids are motivated to. Children are motivated to learn. And as long as you give them any kind of environment to all do so, they're going to like, strive to strive to do that. And even with all like the, the current problems in schools, a lot of kids are still learning, but they're just making it worse and worse and worse.
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Misty Winston
Yes, it's horrendous. And also, I just want to point out the direct hypocrisy of these two stories. You have Republicans in Ohio who are saying that 13 year olds are old enough to get married, but then they have this curriculum that says no, no, no, no, no, you should graduate high school first and then get a job and get married. And well, you can't graduate high school at 13, schmucks. That's not a thing that you do. So make up your mind either.
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Kyle Anzlone
There was that one 13 year old who went to college here. So I'm sure that's who he's talking
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Misty Winston
about getting really mature, super smart.
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Kyle Anzlone
Like one in a Harvard bound at 14. 13 year old is the one who's getting married there. Misty.
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Misty Winston
Ohio is a hot mess, you guys. Oh, hot freaking mess. We got the freaking data centers. Les Wexner basically owns my state now. We got 13 year olds getting married and the curriculum is talking about how to like structure. Ohio's a mess. Save me. Somebody save me. Okay, anyways, thank you Kyle for tuning or for joining us. I'm very glad that you were here and I didn't have to ramble all by myself because I hate doing that. So everybody please go check out Kyle. Um, he is. What is your Twitter? I don't have it pulled up.
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Kyle Anzlone
Is it at Kyle Anlone underscore. And the best thing to do is just subscribe to my YouTube channel, the Kylo show. Hopefully I'll have Misty back on in the next week or so.
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Misty Winston
Yeah, it's been a while. And also check out the Libertarian institute and anti war.com as well, both great organizations that Kyle has been working with for a very long time. So Kyle, thank you so much for tuning in. Thanks everybody for letting me guest host.
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Jimmy Dore
Hey, become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me.
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James Lee
Freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Do not freak out. Not.
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Senator Ron Johnson
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
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James Lee
Freak out. Do not freak out, Freak out, Freak out, Freak out.