Podcast Summary: "Wikipedia Founder Tells Tucker The CIA Runs Wikipedia!"

The Jimmy Dore Show – October 6, 2025

Overview

This episode centers on the claim, made by Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger to Tucker Carlson, that the CIA and other intelligence agencies edit Wikipedia and influence its content—an allegation that sparks wider discussion on media propaganda, censorship, and control of online information. Jimmy Dore anchors the conversation with comedic outrage, skepticism of establishment media, and deep cynicism toward both government and corporate actors, including Elon Musk’s plans for a Wikipedia alternative.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wikipedia and Intelligence Agency Influence

• CIA Edits on Wikipedia:
  Dore discusses Larry Sanger’s revelation (from a recent Tucker Carlson interview) that WikiScanner traced government (Langley) edits as far back as 2006–2007.

  • Notable Quote:
    “A whole bunch of edits coming from Langley.” – Larry Sanger [08:27]
  • Sanger and Dore contend that Wikipedia is “a gold mine” for manipulation and intelligence operations, calling it “an intelligence dream come true.” [09:05]

• Censorship and Blacklisted Sources:
  Wikipedia is described as maintaining a formal blacklist of “perennial sources”—outlets that editors are forbidden or discouraged from citing as factual.

  • Green-lit and Blacklisted Outlets:
    • Approved: New York Times, CNN, Washington Post
    • Blacklisted: Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epoch Times, Fox News, Federalist, New York Post, Counterpunch, Grayzone, Sputnik, Lifesite News [11:12–14:40]
  • Quote:
    “Red means it’s blacklisted—you cannot cite it as a source of facts.” – Sanger [12:17]

• Alleged Political Bias:
  Dore and his guests imply leftist bias in Wikipedia’s editorial process, alongside sustained manipulation by establishment and intelligence-linked figures.

2. Media Control, Propaganda, and Platform Alternatives

• Big Tech & Billionaires – Skepticism of “Philanthropy”:
  Jimmy Dore questions motives of tech billionaires like Bill Gates and Elon Musk, expressing doubt about their promises of “impartiality” in platforms like Wikipedia or the forthcoming “Grokopedia.”

  • Quote:
    “Billionaires always do beneficial things for us, like Bill Gates does.” – Jimmy Dore, sarcastically [07:35, 13:05]

• Elon Musk's Grokopedia:
  Discussion of Musk’s proposed Wikipedia competitor, promising “no limits on use” and “open source knowledge.”
  Dore remains skeptical:
  “Will the CIA still get to control it, Elon? That’s my question and I think the answer is yes.” [15:18]

3. Government and Political Class Hypocrisy

• Government Shutdown Skit (Satire):
  The episode opens with a recurring character “J.D. Vance” calling in, lampooning the current government shutdown and the right-wing direction of the military under Pete Hegseth.

  • Satirical lines include:
    “The military needs to be seriously dewoked… a retired National Guard guy with vaguely white nationalist tattoos is just the man for the job.” [02:51]
    • Mockery of anti-trans rhetoric and right-wing social engineering in the military.
    • Satire on President Trump’s rumored poor physical shape vs. military fitness standards.

• Debate on Checks and Balances:
  Dore critiques Robert Reich’s claim that constitutional checks and balances have eroded under Trump.

  • Dore asserts that the current shutdown demonstrates congressional checks in real time.
  • Quote:
    “Right now there are checks and balances, which is why they have to pass a bill, which they can’t pass right now because they need Democrats to go along with it.” [34:28–34:46]

• The Real Threat of Authoritarianism:
  Dore pivots to government-corporate censorship (particularly related to social media, Pharma, and mandates) as the true threat, not Trump’s alleged “authoritarian nightmare.” [37:59–38:54]

4. Zionist Influence and Information Warfare

• Israeli Wikipedia Edit Training:
  Dore highlights 2010 news segments about Israeli groups teaching Wikipedia propaganda courses—openly training volunteers to “make sure it’s balanced and Zionist in nature.” [23:53–24:24]

  • Quote:
    “They’re just admitting that they’re trying to do propaganda on Wikipedia and they’re having classes and teaching people how to do this.” – Dore [24:31]

• Media Platform Acquisition:
  The show discusses Larry Ellison (Oracle founder) potentially acquiring TikTok, and his son David Ellison’s control of CBS.
  “Larry Ellison is the founder of Oracle… one of six Jewish billionaires who have become the, quote, backbone of Israel’s wartime funding.” [49:56–50:09]

  • The argument: Israeli influence will lead to pro-Palestinian content being censored on TikTok, as it is on Meta and other platforms.

• Community Guidelines = Foreign Interests:
  Jimmy and his sidekick lament that social media community guidelines are increasingly shaped by international, particularly Israeli, interests—resulting in censorship of pro-Palestinian content. [51:00–51:09]

• Jewish Identity vs. Zionism:
  Segment discusses the mistake of conflating Judaism with Zionism and state propaganda.

  • Quote:
    “Most of the Jews I know don’t go along with that. They don’t go along with Zionism and they don’t go along with what’s happening in Gaza right now.” – Dore [53:31–53:46]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |---------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------| | 08:27 | “A whole bunch of edits coming from Langley.” | Larry Sanger | | 09:05 | “Wikipedia is like just a gold mine for the intelligence agencies.” | Larry Sanger | | 12:17 | “Red means it’s blacklisted. You cannot cite it as a source of facts.” | Larry Sanger | | 15:18 | “Will the CIA still get to control it, Elon? That’s my question and I think the answer is yes.” | Jimmy Dore | | 24:31 | “They’re just admitting that they’re trying to do propaganda on Wikipedia and… teaching people how to do this.” | Jimmy Dore | | 34:46 | “Right now there are checks and balances, which is why they have to pass a bill, which they can’t pass right now because they need Democrats to go along with it.” | Jimmy Dore | | 38:54 | “You know what an authoritarian nightmare is? When the government pressures social media companies to censor Americans at the behest of Big Pharma…” | Jimmy Dore | | 51:09 | “The community guidelines… are protecting the community in Israel, not even the community in the United States.” | Jimmy Dore | | 53:31 | “We have to realize that the Jewish identity, the Jewish culture has been hijacked by a select group of people who want to enslave humanity.” | Guest |

Timestamps for Major Segments

• [07:35–15:20] – Sanger interview clips; Wikipedia’s “perennial sources” blacklist and establishment/foreign influence discussed.
• [23:53–24:41] – Israeli Wikipedia editing workshops and propaganda efforts openly described in news reports.
• [34:28–42:52] – Debate over constitutional checks, shutdown politics, and deeper critiques of both parties’ hypocrisy and media narratives.
• [49:29–51:09] – The TikTok/Oracle/Israeli media ownership segment; implications for censorship and global propaganda.
• [53:31–54:25] – Discussion about conflating all Jews with Israeli state policies and Zionist activism.

Summary & Takeaways

• Wikipedia is subject to manipulation—by both left-leaning editors and, crucially, intelligence agencies.
• Institutional and billionaire interests (CIA, MI6, US and Israeli agencies, and major corporations) shape the information landscape, including circulation of “approved” narratives and censorship of dissenting views.
• Efforts to create alternative platforms (like Musk's Grokopedia) are met with deep skepticism—as establishment power is hard to escape, not simply a matter of technology or intention.
• Government and mainstream media alike are accused of hypocrisy, manufacturing division, and presiding over the loss of civil liberties, free speech, and independent journalism.
• Censorship on TikTok, Meta, and other platforms is viewed as not just a US problem, but as serving the interests of foreign powers, most notably Israel.
• Dore repeatedly urges skepticism of all establishment narratives, whether from US, Israeli, or tech elites, and laments the lack of truly independent media in controversial topics like war, COVID, and protest movements.

Tone:
Sharp, sarcastic, skeptical, and often profane, blending genuine outrage with biting satirical humor.