8 Years of U Up? Our Wildest and Most Iconic Moments!

Summary

U Up? Podcast: 8 Years of U Up? Our Wildest and Most Iconic Moments!

Podcast: U Up? by Betches Media
Hosts: Jordana Abraham & Jared Freid
Date: November 14, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this special anniversary episode, Jordana Abraham and Jared Freid celebrate eight years of the U Up? podcast by looking back on their most iconic, wild, and hilarious moments. The duo reflect on the evolution of the show, share their personal insecurities about being modern dating commentators, revisit their favorite listener stories, and candidly discuss memorable and controversial guests. The tone is candid, irreverent, and self-deprecating as they offer both nostalgia and new perspectives on dating, podcasting, and their relationship with their audience.

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Reflections on 8 Years of Modern Dating Commentary

Feeling the Weight of Longevity (01:28–05:12)

• Both hosts express pride and surprise at the show's longevity.

• Jared reflects on how being single while hosting for eight years has affected his sense of credibility:

  "I feel like I open myself up... when you say you have a dating podcast for eight years and you’re single. It becomes the 'what do you know?' type of thing.” (02:07 – Jared)

• Jordana discusses her own insecurities, having started the podcast at 28, newly in a relationship, and now married:

  “My insecurities [are], like, oh, I’m sure people say, like, 'what does she know? She hasn’t dated in eight years.'" (02:44 – Jordana)

• They both agree that, while some aspects of the dating landscape change, the core issues remain consistent.

Making Dating Fun & Honest (04:11–06:22)

• Jordana underscores the show's approach:

  "I think we take a very heavy topic and we make it light and we make it fun." (05:12 – Jordana)

• They acknowledge their honesty sometimes clashes with listeners who find dating especially difficult.

Balancing Vulnerability & Performance (06:22–11:13)

• Jared reveals it's easier for him to be honest on air than with people he dates.
• Hosting the show acts as a mirror:

  "It makes me look in the mirror of my life... are you going to be able to do this show, and feel good about it?" (09:58 – Jared)

• The podcast pushes Jared to make faster decisions about his relationships, to avoid being inauthentic with listeners.

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Origins & Evolution: How U Up? Came To Be

Nostalgic Beginnings (11:58–14:52)

• The podcast began as an extension of Jordana’s previous experiences with Betches and her collaborations with Jared.
• They touch on the symbolic importance of the "U up?" text and how it’s morphed in the age of Instagram Stories and Snapchat:

  "Now it's more like fire emojis, like responding to an Instagram story is the new 'U up?'" (13:35 – Jared)

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On Giving Dating Advice, Tone, and Audience Reception

Representing Both Genders (16:11–17:40)

• Jared talks about being open with "men's secrets," but stresses the importance of honesty and presenting a male view compassionately:

  "I try to say these things in a palatable way. I think that’s the hard part, to talk from a male perspective in a way that isn’t hateful or mean." (16:29 – Jared)

• Jordana adds that Jared articulates things most men won't.

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Revisiting Iconic Listener Stories & Most Loved Segments

Structure

• Throughout the episode, listeners’ favorite moments, chosen via Instagram poll, are played, discussed, contextualized, and occasionally cringed at.
• Both hosts reflect on the impact, feedback, and occasional controversy these moments inspired.

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1. The "Worst Day of the Year" Birthday Gaffe

[42:27–47:05]

• Jordana inadvertently calls February 21st “the worst day of the year” — not knowing it’s Jared’s birthday.

  “There’s no worse day of the year than February 21st. It’s the worst.” (44:00 – Jordana)

• The segment becomes a classic for its genuine, unscripted mortification and quick, self-aware banter.
• Both agree it’s important to self-deprecate and admit when your own day is objectively bad.

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2. The "Is That My Wife?" Story

[47:58–53:53]

• Jordana recounts witnessing a medical emergency in her building, resulting in the haunting line from a neighbor:

  “Is that my wife?” (49:52 – recounted by Jordana)

• The segment inspired listener catchphrases and merch.
• They discuss making light of dark moments, navigating moral lines, and how negative feedback lingers:

  “We made merch about a dead woman.” (53:04 – Jared)
  “That was prime... We made something very heavy, very light at someone’s expense that will never know about it.” (53:33 – Jordana)

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3. The "Poop Bag" Urban Legend

[54:09–59:45]

• A now-famous listener email tells of a woman leaving a bag of her own feces (intended for the trash) on a one-night stand's kitchen counter along with her name and number.
• They debate whether this urban legend originated on U Up? and marvel at its viral reach:

  “It's funny to watch someone else do it and you’re like, ‘Well, this is a liar,’ and maybe someone’s looking at us being like, ‘These liars make up their emails.’” (59:06 – Jared)

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4. "Milk Family" Red Flag/Deal Breaker Saga

[59:55–65:35]

• A classic hypothetical: What if your partner’s family drinks milk at dinner?
• A listener later wrote in to defend “milk families,” and the original couple (about whom the scenario was based) eventually got married.
• Reflecting on the segment:

  “That’s the art we’ve lost in this country, having a different opinion and having a fun conversation about it.” (65:25 – Jordana)

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5. Jordana’s Legendary Laugh Choke

[66:07–69:48]

• Jared’s “masturbating Santa Claus” bit makes Jordana laugh so hard she chokes.
• Both note their fondness for dark jokes:

  “Nobody likes a dark joke more than Jordana Abraham.” (67:57 – Jared)
  “That’s where my mind goes. I’m a sicko.” (69:05 – Jordana)

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Behind the Curtain: Notable Quotes & Podcast Philosophy

On Criticism & Vulnerability

• Jared:

  "The good feedback, it barely penetrates the surface. But when we get negative feedback, I remember every single one." (52:20)

On Making Dating Relatable

• Jared:

  "The underrated part about dating stuff is it's a social thing that is very, very lonely." (25:38)

• Jordana:

  "Because there are times you'll make a joke where I'm like... my training as a comedian is to go along with whatever you say." (68:27)

Petty or Prudent / Deal Reveal Favorite Segments

• Both hosts love analyzing the nuance behind supposed “petty” dating behaviors.
• Jared:

  "The tone is more clear... not all texts are the same, not all U Up?s are equal." (24:49)

• Jordana:

  "So much of dating behavior is so nuanced, and I think it’s fun to get into that." (24:25)

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Dream Guests—Famous Ex-Boyfriends Edition (28:05–37:08)

• They imagine booking celebrity exes (Tom Sandoval, Joe Jonas, Jake Gyllenhaal, Brad Pitt, Derek Jeter) and speculate about their relationship logistics.
• Lightheartedly outline the ideal “celebrity hookup gift bag”:

  “What would make you feel best to get in that place in the gift bag?” (34:40 – Jared)

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The Most Divisive Episode: Mel Robbins & "Let Them"

The Interview That Split the Audience [70:04–82:33]

• Mel Robbins appears as a guest, launching straight into blunt advice:

  “The people that you're dating aren’t the problem. You are.” (71:15 – Mel Robbins)

• Tension arises as Mel dismisses Jared's dating struggles as "the very low bar of being exclusive."

• Jared critiques her approach as lacking empathy, describing her style as performative and unhelpful for those seeking nuance:

  "You're minimizing my issue... the whole episode kind of felt like she was really trying to own the space.” (76:36 – Jared)

• The hosts note polarized reactions: fans either loved or hated it—no one was indifferent.

• Jared's stinging memory:

  “Jordana, congratulations on everything. Jared, you’ll be okay.” (80:13 – Mel Robbins) “She had no respect for me as a human.” (80:43 – Jared)

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End of Episode: Gratitude and Looking Ahead

(83:03–end)

• Jordana:

  "There’s nothing I love in this world more than doing this show. It gives me so much purpose. I laugh harder than I do in any other scenario." (83:03)

• Jared:

  “It’s a pleasure to do this show with you, Jordana... Every time I meet [listeners], it makes me feel good about myself.” (83:32)

• Both reiterate their joy in building a community around honest, irreverent, and supportive dating conversation.

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Key Timestamps for Iconic Segments

• Hosts’ Reflections & Insecurities: 01:28–11:13
• Origin Story + U Up? Text Evolution: 11:58–14:52
• Iconic Listener Stories:
  • "Worst Day of the Year": 42:27–47:05
  • "Is That My Wife?": 47:58–53:53
  • "Poop Bag Legend": 54:09–59:45
  • "Milk Family Saga": 59:55–65:35
  • Jordana's Laugh Choke: 66:07–69:48
• Mel Robbins Interview: 70:04–82:33
• Closing & Gratitude: 83:03–end

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Episode Tone

• Warm, self-deprecating, and at times darkly humorous
• Willingness to laugh at themselves and each other
• Consistently honest & relatable, even when revisiting controversial or cringe-worthy moments

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This episode perfectly encapsulates 8 years of U Up?’s ethos: making modern dating a little less lonely, a lot funnier, and never taking themselves too seriously. Longtime listeners will delight in the callbacks; new listeners get a high-speed tour through the podcast’s most legendary moments, dynamic chemistry, and both hosts’ evolving perspectives.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

And I am Jared Freed. It is so good to be back here with you, Jordana. It is especially good to be here with you because this is our 8th anniversary.

[A]

Look at us, 8 years long time.

[B]

Happy anniversary.

[A]

Happy anniversary. Sorry, did I make that sound like.

[B]

It'S not happy or happy anniversary?

[A]

Well, it's funny because like Betches is turning in February, like 15, and this podcast is eight years old. So it's like it's been around for a big chunk of however long the company has been, which is crazy.

[B]

Yeah, I mean it is pretty wild. You know, it. I don't know. I'm proud of the show. Let me start by saying I'm proud of it, but I, you know, it's a little bit tough for me considering, you know, being single. Talking about dating, I feel like I open myself up for to be attacked when you say you have a dating podcast for eight years and you're Single. You're like. It becomes the what do you know? Type of thing. Do you know? Do you have that feeling? Do you have any insecurities with.

[A]

I have insecurities of the show about, like, the age that I'm at now, as opposed to when I started the show. I think I started the show like our. Like, I was 28 years old and like three months into a relationship, and now I'm 36 years old. I'm married. I haven't. I. I wound up marrying the person that I started dating right before I started the show. So it's like, I haven't really dated on the show, so I am. My insecurities, like, oh, I'm sure people say, like, what does she know? She hasn't dated in eight years, right?

[B]

I wouldn't say that. Well, I, I understand why you think those people would be just lashing out. They. I don't even considering especially, like, from a woman's perspective, like, you. You know what it's like to have gone through it, been through it. And also, like, these are discussions, you know, in general, you would have with friends and like. To have.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's the. I still, I mean, I still have these conversations with friends and like to have. And I have this conversation with you still. And I, I mean, obviously, like, there's certain things that I. I'm not. I didn't experience, like dating and tik tok or like certain new hinge features that happen. But I think dating is like, pretty much pretty similar to how it was when. When we started this.

[B]

I totally agree. I think dating is the same. The. I think the environment has changed, you know, the weather. I think some of that, you know, and also, you know, the age of this audience. I think 28, though, is when someone's handed our podcast, like, yes, like, a lot. Like, whenever I hear, like, oh, I've been listening, I just started, you know, 27, 28 is like, I think given in the. The shiva call box that women bring to their friend for a breakup. For a breakup. Like, I think we are next to the tissue box when it comes to like, hey, you're going through a breakup. Let's hear people talk about dating in a real way. And I'm proud of that. I'm proud that we have kept our backbone with talking about this and not a gotcha hot take. We've. We. You know, I, I think if I'm to pat ourselves on the back for this show, you know, dating conversation has gone the way of politics and most things on the Internet of like extreme. And we've been pretty consistent, I think.

[A]

I think we take a very heavy topic and we make it light and we make it fun. Some people don't like that about this because I think that, I mean, we always used to. You always used to say this. It's like it doesn't feel fun for a lot of people and they almost like can't handle the show.

[B]

Right. I. The feedback. Whenever I see someone angry at me, you know, I see a comment. The tone of it to me, the way I read it is like they're angry at their like family member. Like I actually, maybe that's a delusional way to look at it. But like it's like, because all I've been here is honest. Like I'm like.

[A]

About your opinions, right?

[B]

About my opinions. Listen, I'm just being honest and I think to maybe if someone. And that was the great reveal about dating advice on the Internet to me was always like, oh, this is like the hardest thing in someone's life. And I think it's fun. And my thinking it's fun is kind of offensive to someone who's like, this is really difficult for me. And it's like I, I get that that's something over the years that has like really been, you know, a personal change and growth is knowing and it's become more hard for me over the years.

[A]

So to date, you're saying?

[B]

Yeah, to date. To like, to know how serious this is to someone else, like to deal with like, right. You know, hearing the, you know, the voices of the people who write in and what they're going through. And like, you know, I was, I was, I was talking to someone and again, like when we started this, I was in a relationship. I was moving in. I was on the way into like.

[A]

That one we started, but maybe somewhere in the middle, I think somewhere.

[B]

Somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Right. You're right. I got in a relationship and then moved in and then broke up, moved out and like gone through kind of my own evolution of dating and.

[A]

Well, can I ask you, someone who's been both doing this podcast cuz I've only been in a relationship. Do you think it's harder to be single or to be in a relationship while doing the show?

[B]

Single. Way harder.

[A]

Because people are listening or because you're held. You feel like you lose credibility or like, what is the. What makes it harder?

[B]

I'm more honest and open here than I am with any woman I've ever dated. Know if I'm to be. To be honest, like, it's way easier to be honest here because I'm asked about hypotheticals and other people's problems. And that's why I take a lot of. Like, I. I really do make sure to say, like, this is easier advice to give than it is to take. I'm not above the listeners. Like, I am with them, you know, Like, I am them. When I have these things come up in my dating life, I'm always like, it, like, hurts my stomach. Like, I. Yeah. And I don't know how hard these things are. Yeah. Like, and. And when I'm on a podcast, like, you know, as far as being single, like, I've gotten farther along with people that I really cared about. But I was like, the end is here. Like it. And it's more definitive than. Maybe I would like that to be right. You know, I kind of wish I had more time to suss it out, but I'm like, I also know I can't be doing my job correctly and doing my life correctly, being both. And that's really hard for me. Like, I can't be in a five month. I just can't. I could, but I can't. But I can't.

[A]

Well, you can.

[B]

I could.

[A]

You could secretly, but you couldn't. It'd be like, there'd be so many.

[B]

Things to consider to be with someone. Like, five months where you're just feeling it out, but you're together. I've tried that. And it feels awful.

[A]

Like, and then to never mention them on the show.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or it's a dating show. I totally get that. I mean, honestly, the closest thing I've gotten to that feeling was like, hiding this pregnancy where I'm like, I don't want to have to explain it if I don't. But at what point is it, like, weird? And then. Yeah, it's like, I, you know, I. I think that that's a. It's a tough position to be in because there's. But in this case, there's someone else out there who's like, you're. Who is taking your revealing or your lack of revealing them personally.

[B]

And even if I explain to them, like, oh, I'm not revealing you, there's a point where it's like, I should be like, I. I do know that.

[A]

And why don't you?

[B]

Well, you know, I guess, you know, if this turns into a benefits episode. Well, I do get to this point where it's like, if I'm not madly in love with this person and willing to Take the chance to have the pain that could go through a breakup, then I need to end it completely. And so it's almost like the show.

[A]

Makes the stakes higher and makes you end things faster than you might otherwise when you wouldn't have to be giving an update on your life to.

[B]

It makes me look in the mirror of my life. It makes me look in the mirror to go, well, every week I have to look at myself and go, are you gonna be able to do this show, like, and feel good about it? Like. And I've had weeks where it's been hard. Like, where I'm like, like, this is the week I should be doing, you know, talking about someone, and then I don't. And I'm like, I guess I have to end that, you know, like, and not. And I'm not putting myself on a. Like, on a cross. Like, I'm not, like, you know, trying to make myself into this. Like, I'm not being heroic. I think it's like, well, in some.

[A]

Ways, it's probably better for the other person because if you can't get to that point, then, like, you should end it with them. You're are wasting their time by not, you know, if. It's kind of like, if. Well, if you're. It's like you're the. It's like a mini version of the guy who won't propose. Like, if there's something that makes him break up with you rather than propose, if he was going to do that eventually, that's, like, good. If there's something that makes you, like, end it as opposed to, like, fully committing, and this is making you do that faster, that's kind of a good thing, right?

[B]

It's a good thing. I think sometimes it makes me feel like I'm, like, doing that too soon or thinking about those things too soon. I'm getting too realistic instead of being romantic. And.

[A]

Yeah, I could see that being a negative side of it.

[B]

Yeah, it's for the best. So we do have some questions. So in other news. Happy anniversary. Yeah. So this podcast has ruined my life for eight years and made it so I can't find.

[A]

Can't wait to keep going.

[B]

Yeah, I hope we do.

[A]

To another 80 more.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes. I. No, I do love doing this show. I. I love answering these questions. And it's fun. Like, I, you know, I'm. I want to thank the listeners for tuning in and watching on YouTube. If you're watching on YouTube, that's kind of been like, the new thing that we're kind of pushing here. How did it begin? Someone, you know, we're gonna. How did this begin? I remember this beginning.

[A]

Yeah, I mean we've, we've talked about that story before. The story is like not that good.

[B]

Yeah, it really wasn't anything. I, I just remember the, the, the, the funny part about the beginning of this podcast was at the first episode is all three and me.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And much like it, what used to be what it was like to go into your office. You guys had an office with three.

[A]

Deaths, three headed monster.

[B]

A three headed monster that you didn't know who to face. And you brought me in. It was totally a tribunal. And then I would sit on the. I sat and you guys didn't even have a chair. I had to sit on like the cushion. A little curtsy got in. And you guys were basically like, let's start. You know, you'd been on my show and you kind of liked, you know, the podcast medium. And then you guys started a show at the same studio I was at.

[A]

Yes. We did Batch slapped at the time. Formerly, now batches, Formerly black Batch slapped.

[B]

Yup. And then you guys were like, what if we started a male female point of view dating show? And I was like, basically battle of the sexes. I was like, sounds great. What do we call it? And I think it was just like, you know, you're dealing with a U up text. It was modern dating. That was it.

[A]

People still send you up texts.

[B]

I think it's evolved. I think the idea of a U up text still exists. Like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like the what. What it means. But I don't think it's as much. I, I think if you typed out you up, it would be like out of the room.

[A]

Right. It'd be too obvious at this point.

[B]

Right now it's more like fire emojis, like responding to an Instagram story. Is the new you up or Right. That's even the old you up. I mean the, you know, the new you up might be a Snapchat sitting in your Snapchat or. I mean Snapchat went out and then it came back. It's like back again.

[C]

What's.

[A]

What's your 40 year old version of a U up text?

[B]

I send it to the doordash guy anytime. I'm. Where are you?

[A]

I'm hungry.

[B]

Are you lost?

[A]

I see. I'm tracking you and it just looks like I keep saying I'm the next stop. But you haven't.

[B]

Where are you? That's my version of you up decks. Yeah. Do you still send those?

[A]

Do you send, like a. Like a late night.

[B]

You're not, like, partying, really. I mean, I think now for me, things are more planned ahead. You know, it's like, hey, what. What's your plan tonight? I might be out. I might have a show. Oh, let's meet up. Like, it's like a.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's a way more courteous or people have schedules to maintain. I think that's, like, part of it, right?

[A]

You're texting, like, before. Like, before it gets dark, too.

[B]

Right. The idea that, like, I. I don't think. I think there's an age where it's like, you can't really expect that the other person's gonna be up when you're up. If you're up on a certain night, you know, like. Or you see their Instagram stories and you know they're up. They just posted, hey, I saw you're out. I'm out too. You know, that would be a better starter of a hookup.

[A]

You'd have proof of that. Yeah, no, but I think that's probably like, more of a. Back in the day when you used to go out, like, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and everyone was doing that, it wouldn't be weird to text someone.

[B]

No. And also, back in the day, you didn't have the view of someone's life. Like, there wasn't someone taping themselves. So, like, I think, like, you know, when it comes down to, like, you know, you know, we get a lot of questions about, like, oh, they wanted to follow me on Instagram. It's to track you. It's to see what you're doing and where you are at. Like, this whole thing of, like, oh, well, they wanted to see more pictures. Well, that's a good way for you to look at it. If it's not you looking at it as me going, I just want to see when you're out so that I know when to text you. So it seems like I just thought of you when really I just.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Took a mental note that you posted on stories and we're having a big night out, and you got dressed up and you looked hot.

[A]

Like, wow, that's a lot more devious than I expected.

[B]

That's why I'm here to answer these questions for. Do you feel like everyone who's wondering.

[A]

Do you feel like you're betraying. Betraying men by giving us all these secrets?

[B]

I actually thought about this a lot. I used to think that. That men might think that of me. And I actually, all I've been is I've been honest. And I think a lot of the boyfriends and men that end up getting brought to our show or, like, I think they appreciate it that, like, I'm trying to say these things in a palatable way. I think that's like, the hard part is to say, to talk from a male perspective in a way that isn't hateful and mean. And that's what I try to do. That's really something I think about.

[A]

I also think most men are not as good as articulating their thoughts and feelings and the phenomenon around them as you are.

[B]

Well, that. Thank you. That's. That's what I think my power is. That's why I think I'm good at it. And I try to make it funny, you know, and. But like, it has to come from a place of honesty first, funny second. That's always been my perspective on it. Like, you can be funny after you've made your point, you know, like, you can't be funny in the way of your point. And I used to have people that would come on J train to help give me advice, and they'd be like, oh, you, like, take these questions seriously. I'd be like, that's the only way this works, right? Like, why would we listen, right? If I was like, oh, look at this loser with a problem. Like, that's not right.

[A]

I mean, we say that about some listeners, but not most.

[B]

We hope you guys know us a little bit more at this point.

[A]

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There's a guy on TikTok that made me so angry and he has a million follow. He has like over a million followers and he's got this slick back hair and he made me feel a lot like this guy has really done. He's doing something gross to me.

[A]

What's he doing?

[B]

I saw a video. He's. He's in his car and he starts explaining how he saw an unattractive guy being confident and all he could think about were all the beautiful, wonderful women that he dumped being this ugly man who's too confident for how ugly he was. And I'm like, this is like the most disgusting turn on the male population that I've ever seen. Because they're creating a strawman out of thin air, right? And they're preying on women's emotions because a lot of women have dated guys that they weren't attracted to at first, and now they're really attracted to them because they got to know them and then they were dumped by a guy they weren't attracted to at first. That's happened. I know that from this show. But to create a straw man and then be like this vague person to get your own followers really made me annoyed.

[A]

You're saying that's the real person who's betraying men?

[B]

Yes, he is basically saying like and. And then it becomes an opinion like who's ugly versus who's not. Who's to say who's goodlook or not goodlook? Like it's all. That's all personal Opinion. But he's, he's painting a picture in people's minds of someone that doesn't really exist. The idea that there's this cocky, ugly man who's happy that he over women to get in their pants, like, that's not how it goes.

[A]

Right. Well, he's doing that to appeal to like the woman who's angry who will like, latch on to that as a way to make herself feel better. Yes, right.

[B]

It's. It's actually like disgusting and gross and he's doing a great job at it, but it's like none of it is right. And it's like he's not being funny. He's not giving a solution to a problem. He's not, you know, talking about how, like, women give a lot of guys chances because they check a lot of boxes and their safety in that and they're looking for safety. You know where this podcast kind of talks about the insecurities. From my end, you know, I, I've been open and vulnerable. I mean, I just did. We just did a five minute couch session about how hard it is for me to like, you know, get into someone. You know, like, it's.

[A]

No, I agree. You're very vulnerable on this show, which does, again, expose you to try my best. People who might get angry, but that's their. That's on them.

[B]

Right. I don't know. Not to trash somebody on our anniversary episode, but do you have a favorite segment from the show? What do you like the most?

[A]

I like a petty or prudent.

[B]

I do too.

[A]

Because I think so much of like, dating behavior is, is like so nuanced. And I think it's, it's kind of fun to like, you know, there's so many urges you have in dating to like be the best and worst version of yourself. And so I think it's a fun segment.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What's your favorite segment?

[B]

I like petty or prudent. I like when we have the text.

[A]

I just love a deal reveal.

[B]

A deal reveal. When we see the tone is more clear. The, you know, the what someone's angling at in attacks. Because not all texts are the same, not all U ups are equal. So it is. That's true to me. Like when we can like zone in on like a text exchange. Because especially when you're on your phone, you're so like zoned in. It's so lonely like that. The underrated part about dating stuff is it's a social thing that is very, very lonely. Like you're on your own phone. You don't really talk to people about it until it gets to, like, friends and family, which is, like, so far down the road. So, like, in the beginning, you know, you can send a screenshot to friends, but, like, it's still you and the voice in your head.

[A]

Well, you're the only one who can go on the date. Really, too.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So when we read them out loud, it's, like, really, it's illuminating.

[A]

I also love when we have someone in person who's, like, going through it.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And we can ask them all the questions and really get into it, because you get such a nuanced take and, like, you get all it. Like, it kind of. Kind of goes with your deal reveal thing, where you get. All of. You get the raw materials because someone could say, and he was so rude over whatever, or this is what he did. But when we can see the text, the best is when we see the text and the text is, like, not at all what they're describing, which is amazing.

[B]

And. And especially when they're in person and they're talking about it. I just love, like, I wish. You know, my wish for this podcast is to get more men on here that can talk about their side of a breakup, that they would feel comfortable. Like, I. We really wanted to do. We would. We've wanted to do that for so long. We've had women come on and talk about their dating strife. And, like, you know, we had, you know, your doctor, your skin doctor, Dr. Glick doctor came on, and she was fantastic. And we've had, you know, so from the office. She came on. She was fantastic. Divya, Julia, you know, you know, everyone that's come on has been amazing, and I do think it would be valuable to have a man come on who's been through a breakup.

[A]

Well, we have one coming on next week.

[B]

Right, right. We do have one coming next week.

[A]

So surprise guest.

[B]

Little teaser. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

The teaser might be our first male. So. Actually, no, we've had. We've had men. Remember the. The man who was running the marathon or something and he made us the keychains.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Nice guy. They came to the show.

[A]

The girl, him and his girl who was like, kept dumping him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.

[B]

I think they're married now. No, no. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's all to say if you like the show and you want us to give you a. A really thought out, well thought out, nuanced take on something. Come on. We'd love to get into it.

[B]

I guess I'm more talking about famous men. I want, like, you know, someone who can help this show grow a little bit. But I. I like not to say that the guy from Boston wasn't great, but I. I do think, like, who's your dream guest?

[A]

Dream male guest who would. And in this world he talks about, he'll answer any question. Relationship, dating question that you ask him. He's not, like, private, like, what breakup? Do you really want to hear the guy's side of this, of the story?

[B]

I guess I would want to hear. I think Tom Sandoval is worth talking to as much as people. I would just like to hear him talk normally without him, you know, like, being dominated and, like, you know, becoming this, like, puddle of a human. Every Tom Sandoval interview is him, like, apologizing, but also, like, he's lying. Like, he's never been. I've never seen an interview where I feel like he's being honest. It just feels like he's trying to get out of it.

[A]

Right. Well, he lives. He's living his life, and it has lived his life on reality TV for years. So I'm sure you can almost. It's almost hard to form an honest opinion when you've had cameras in front of your face for that much of your adult life.

[B]

I mean, I nailed Jax when he came on the show years and years ago. I told. I told you right there. He was like, oh, she has all the codes to my phone. I was like, that guy and her are not gonna make it.

[A]

Yeah, Not a good sign.

[B]

So I would love also to have. I mean, what's the break do? What men would you like? I all. First one that comes on, I'd like to have Craig Conover come on the show.

[A]

Oh, that would be great. Yeah. Talk about give inside of that breakup. Yeah.

[B]

We didn't really hit his side. He went into it. He never really got pushed back on because Andy Cohen is his pal.

[A]

Right.

[B]

When he went on. So then all the pushback was from the Internet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't watch Southern. That's.

[A]

I know, but I know, I know. I watch Summer House, so I know about the relationship from there. But that would be great to get a sense of, like, what is his real unfiltered take on what. And again, this. In this hypothetical scenario, the person is being really honest, open to sharing exactly what happened. Yeah, I'd love that.

[B]

I just. Right. I would love that. And, you know, I've always wanted.

[A]

Tom Brady. Tom Brady could come on, talk about his divorce.

[B]

What I would do.

[A]

What really happened there. You can't ask him one football question. You can only ask him about his divorce, which is game.

[B]

Game. Would love it, wouldn't I? Would love, love, love what? Other men. Any other men that you would want.

[A]

On, let's see, Tom Brady, the guy from Stranger Things who is having a very bad week. Lily Allen's soon to be ex husband.

[B]

So he cheated on her, right? Is that the allegation?

[A]

Yes. And she's like, she wrote like a whole album about it, but it's not like one of those subtle like interpret the lyrics thing. I think she's just like very plainly saying exactly what happened.

[B]

So I, I thought that happened years ago. I didn't realize it was happening right now.

[A]

No, I think it's happening right now. Yeah.

[B]

Well, then he got accused of bullying, which I don't know what that means. Like, I, I don't.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know.

[B]

I don't know how, I don't know how seriously to take a bullying accusation on a set because like, someone might tell me like, no, that means he was like, like abusive. Like, I don't know if that's the case then I would run away from that. But if it was like he called someone a duty head, like, I don't.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know the details yet.

[B]

I don't know the word bullying. I never trust so as like a real accusation. So yeah, he's having a tough week, but I would love to hear from him.

[A]

Yeah, anyone with like a hot like the. The Nick Jonas, Sophie Turner. Love to get that side right.

[B]

I'd love some of the exes of Taylor Swift to come on, come talk to us, let us know what it's been like to be a Taylor Swift.

[A]

X. I think Joe. Joe Jonas could talk about that too, in our hypothetical ideal world. Or is it Nick Jonas? Which Jonas did she. Is she with. I'm so bad at the Jonah. The brothers Joe. Oh, it is Joe. It is Joe.

[B]

Like also, what does it mean that they dated? Like, did they like hook up? Like, I. Some of them like just hold hands and we just pr.

[A]

Oh, Jake Gyllenhaal. I would love to get Jake Gyllenhaal on here to talk about his. Like, he never spoken about any of that, of course, but like would if he.

[B]

We could just give him.

[A]

We gave him some truth serum. We got him on here. We were like, what is your version of like, all too well, like, what is it? What did. What went on from Your perspective.

[B]

Right, right. I mean Brad Pitt Brangelina, the most famous.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, scandal of, of our era. You know, do you want to know.

[A]

About his divorce from Jen Aniston or you want to know about his divorce from Angelina?

[B]

Both. I want it all. I want to like know how does he even date? Is like a real question. I. Leonardo DiCaprio. I want to know what, what is the. What are like the logistics is really my question. Like Derek Jeter, like how does it work when you're that big to like have social interactions? Like is. Is someone going and grabbing someone for you? Like not like, you know, in a capturing way, but like are they like going to a, like a woman that you see and going, hey, Derek Jeter would like to. Yeah. That he had a. He would give away gift bags.

[A]

The NDAs or something. Or the gift bags or something like that. I don't know.

[B]

There' some Derek Jeter. You'd leave his place and have a gift bag. What was in the gift bag? Like, I want to know all of these things.

[A]

What was in the gift bag would be like the most important thing from that. Like cuz it. If it's too nice, it's weird. If it's not nice, it's weird.

[B]

What would you.

[A]

What's.

[B]

What are things. What are things you would want in a gift bag? Let's say, let's say you hook up with like a famous guy and then he sex.

[A]

I'm not like taking it personally that he's giving me a gift back.

[B]

He says to you, jordana, this was a great night. You have cuddling, you have breakfast. And he says, I'm going to be straight with you. I'm out there. I'm not going to, I'm not going to date you. But this was a wonderful night and he paid for everything. Dinner, limos, the whole deal. Apparently this happens in the 80s. And then you go, you're at his penthouse apartment and. And you go, I get it, I get it. What would make you feel best to get in that place in the gift.

[A]

Bag and knowing that everyone gets it or just assuming it's just for me?

[B]

Yeah, you go. He goes to a closet and there's like five of them waiting.

[A]

It feels like a little transactional that he has five, but fine. Okay, what would I. Let's think.

[B]

Find a calligrapher that makes camp baskets, puts Jordan on it with.

[A]

I would like Uber gift card.

[B]

The Uber's paid for. I mean, obviously.

[A]

But just, you know, if I come back, expensive candle, maybe a Massage, you know, something, Something there. That would be, that would be nice in the, in the gift bag. What else would I like? A photo from our time together so I could show everyone for the clout.

[B]

Okay, is it a photo like you put on stories where you just arms around each other or is it like a loving photo?

[A]

It would be like, it would be like ambiguous if we were to, if we were like, together or not. So I'd have like, everyone would know that we. I didn't just like, stop him on the street. We were like, you know, we like went on to be like, we went on a few dates. Like, I, you know, he was into me.

[B]

You. But you in a booth with him at Spring Lounge, like you're with John Mayer. Like, it would be like that.

[A]

Yeah, I would need, like, that would be great for the clout. You know, it doesn't have to be framed because that's weird. But like, just a picture that I could, that I could have to tell. Show my grandchildren.

[B]

Sure. I'm, I'm loving this, cuz this is all doable for me. I. Yeah, you can. This is a gift bag I could put together.

[A]

What would you want in a gift bag from a celebrity that slept with you but didn't want to date you?

[B]

I, I really wouldn't need anything, but I would love some. Like, I would love from a woman who's like a big time celebrity. All like, items they approve, but it was like, it would be like skin care cologne. Like, I, I want to be able to like, walk away with like bang JLO confidence. So like, so like, these are all JLO approved items so that when I wore them, I would go, what woman could resist me? I was with JLO and she gave these to me.

[A]

Right. Ben Affleck is also a good one to have on the, on the show.

[B]

Right. I think would be the number one one of them.

[A]

Yeah, he's pretty, you know, high up there. So you would want skin care, expensive skin care, skin care, cologne.

[B]

Like all things. Like a woman would tell me it would be like endorsed. Like, did you want a picture together? I don't need the picture. No one's gonna believe we follow each other on social media.

[A]

All right. You prefer that? Yeah, they thought and they. Do they have to interact with your, with your stuff?

[B]

No, no, no, no. They can mute me.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay with that. Just I gotta have the follow.

[A]

Even if no one believes you without.

[B]

The picture, the picture's not a problem. I just, I, I don't think I need that as much as I need that they've.

[A]

You need them to publicly, publicly acknowledge your existence?

[B]

Yeah, I like Jared. Oh, I'm a fan. Like, that's all I need them to say.

[A]

Are you okay if the skin care is from their personal line? Like, they're.

[B]

No, I wanted. No, no, I wouldn't want that.

[A]

You want the good. Okay.

[B]

I want good stuff that they, like, thought of. Like, it feels like I know this is what they like, you know, like.

[A]

Okay, come back to JLo.

[B]

Like, the idea of putting on skin care stuff that JLO was like, I only men who use this. So now I know I'm in the.

[A]

I.

[B]

You know, like, every time I put it on, I'd be like, what? This is too. I'm not good enough for you?

[A]

Jlo, Right. You know, Okay, I like that. I have recently gotten my hands on another pair of skims pajamas. They are different than any other pajamas I have. As a woman, it's hard to find a pajama set that doesn't make you feel super frumpy. Your choices are, like, sexual and, like, uncomfortable or very, very comfortable and not flattering at all.

[B]

Yeah, it's tough to find a good spot.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That's everything from skims. It's just like this, like, unbelievable combination of sexy and comfortable. Right.

[A]

The fabric is incredible. I wear it most nights until it gets dirty. I need more because when I worn it too many nights in a row, I have to wash it and I can't wear it that night because I air dry it.

[B]

Yeah. Now you got like to wear your other stuff.

[A]

Yeah, the old ratty sorority tee.

[B]

Oh, it's a.

[A]

It's not a cute look. You literally cannot go wrong with this skims sleep set. It is so comfortable. As you know, I have a large Christmas list and it is the perfect gift. Not just for me because I'm going to get myself another pair, but for my mother in law, my sister in law, any siblings, any person in your life that you know enjoys a nice, comfortable and attractive set of pajamas is a perfect gift. You don't even have to think about it. Just get it. They'll be so excited to get it.

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[B]

Today's episode. Now that we've decided what gift bag we would like from celebrities after we've them.

[A]

You know, it's a game. It's a game.

[B]

I'm on. I'm on the road. Happy anniversary Jordana. Happy anniversary to our listeners. Durham, also Charlotte, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, San Diego, Orlando. Those are all coming up. Royal Oak, Michigan. Columbus, Ohio. I need some help in Columbus. So get your tickets. Jared free.com okay, so what we wanted to do, we asked you, the listeners, our amazing audience to go through the moments that you guys love the most. Made you cringe. Just moments you wanted us to discuss. And we have a bunch picked out. We, we got like five or six. You ready?

[A]

I'm ready. Let's just jump right into it.

[B]

So worst day of the year moment. People really love that. That is a fame that is on. I get a straight answer about why your fling Suddenly ended. Episode 216 from 22120 so 20, 25 years ago, people are still talking about.

[A]

This right before the pandemic. The second worst day of the Year.

[B]

That's right. I remember. We were taping just like zoom. We were taping just like this. We were on zoom and. Let's play the clip.

[A]

I feel like it might be, like, the worst day of the year. What is it? February 21st.

[B]

Why is that?

[A]

Just because it's like, middle of winter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nothing. Not ton going on. No real, like, holidays that are soonish. So you need this podcast to get you through the rest of this winter. It's February 21st. That.

[B]

No hope, no dreams, no nothing. February 21st is the worst day of the year. I agree. Right.

[A]

If you could.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you could relive, like, one day every day for the year, like, it wouldn't. No one's picking February 21st. Like, if you could pick one day, one day on the calendar, what day would be worse?

[B]

The. If I could pick the one day of the year.

[A]

Yeah. To do ever.

[B]

To do every day of my life.

[A]

Every day. Yeah.

[B]

It would be Thanksgiving. It would be Super Bowl Sunday.

[A]

Not holiday.

[B]

Just like random July 4th. Oh, well, I. I love that you. This is so funny that people might think this is a setup for a joke, but February 21st is my birthday.

[A]

I really kept going, oh, is it?

[B]

This is like, we didn't plan this. It sounds like we are.

[C]

We are.

[A]

We are scheduled. We are recording this on February 10th. So we are way ahead of our time. That is really embarrassing for me. I was like, it's like, literally the worst. Never even said anything like this before. This is very odd.

[B]

That's why I started laughing right away and kind of playing it up with you. Just because I was like, that's so funny that she's like, there's no worse day of the year than February 21st. It's the worst. There's no good. There's no bad. It's the Wednesday of the year.

[A]

Wow. I really kept going. You.

[B]

You double down early. You. I mean, you said that you, like, came out of the gate. You must have, like, written that as a note because that was like my one thing that I was like. I couldn't believe how quickly you were straight to, like, worst day ever.

[A]

I guess I've been thinking about it. I don't know. I mean, if it wasn't your birthday, would you think it was up there for pretty bad day?

[B]

That's what I. Absolutely.

[A]

I think. I think actually I like how you're self aware. You're not. You know, some people are like, february is not that bad. It's whatever.

[B]

It's horrific. What is there in February. And the reasons you gave were correct. It's far away from anything good. You know, the memories are too far in the background. Like all that stuff you said. There's no days off coming, nothing to save you.

[A]

It's been winter for a long time.

[B]

It's. And, and you got more to go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so I actually wrote this down because I was like, I wanted to talk about this with you. I wouldn't like a person who couldn't get past their birthday to acknowledge how good or bad the day is.

[A]

I agree. I think someone, because I actually do think that would be like a good way to judge someone. Like how self deprecating are they about something that's clearly horrible about them.

[B]

Right. You have to acknowledge that you like to like I, I think this is like, like nowadays, like in the, in based on the environment we live in as like in the social era we're in. Like everyone's told, don't apologize for anything. Don't admit any fault, don't, don't relent. And it's like I don't really relate to those people.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like I, I kind of don't relate to the person who can never apologize, never admit fault, never go, you know, and, and sits there and goes, well, it's my birthday. Are you saying you hate my birthday? And it's like, oh, I, I don't even want to have a conversation with you ever on anything else because you're not fun. Right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So, so yes. Yeah. This, this ended up being like this whole thing. Like I like if someone couldn't admit that their birthday on February 18th is a shitty day to have a birthday. They're crazy. They're actual.

[A]

Yes. And they're self centered. And they're self centered.

[B]

Right. They can't even get past it. Your birthday is on the best day of the year. I do think it is.

[A]

It's a saw. It's solid. It's definitely up there. As a kid, my birthday was actually, I think I've talked about this kind of annoying because it was like the first day of school and you'd be like bringing in your munchkins for all these strangers. No one like just like a weird.

[B]

Just gave me food. I don't even know who she is.

[A]

Yeah, it was always just like a little weird to celebrate your birthday like on a day that was like not about you at all. It's like the first day of school. Everyone's like, get out of here with that. Like we just want to Have a normal icebreaker day anyway.

[B]

Right. All right, let's do another one. Another moment that was sent into us. We did ask for these on Instagram. You can follow the u up account you.up.podcast the is that My Wife Story.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

People love Is that My Wife? It's from the episode How Long Should I Wait for him to propose? Episode 459, June 21, 2023. Play the clip.

[A]

I'm working from home a few weeks ago, and I hear screaming in the hallway. And I'm like, you know, again, there's. They've taken away the security, so I'm not, like, immediately running out there. First it was a scream that I heard.

[B]

Okay. You're like, oh, they're putting up Halloween directions decorations. Okay.

[A]

And I hear this yelling, and someone's like. It sounds like someone's on the phone with, like, the police or something, and they're screaming like, she's not breathing. They're, like, screaming. They're crying. So when I went out there, I went out there and there's a guy, like, literally trying to give CPR to this woman, this older woman, who's, like, on the floor, like, unconscious. And I heard while. But before I went out there, I heard, like, a groaning from this woman. She's not breathing. They're doing, like, the electroshock thing to get her breathing.

[B]

They're doing, like, clear.

[A]

I mean, they.

[B]

They also.

[A]

They cut her shirt open. So this woman's, like, exposed in her. I mean, no, it's. I mean, it's like a.

[B]

Up making jokes. Yeah. I'm sorry.

[A]

If you were there, it would not be funny.

[B]

It would be like I'd crack one or two. I. I'd see what people.

[A]

I mean, I felt quite helpless watching, like, they. So they cut this woman's shirt off. They're doing her, like, the electro shock.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then they say, like, they have a pulse.

[B]

We got a pulse.

[A]

Eventually, they have a pulse. So I'm like, okay, it seems like she's alive. And then they take her to the hospital. And that was like, everyone goes back to their business because, like, I guess, what else are you supposed to do?

[B]

Back to my Zoom meeting. That's crazy.

[A]

And then I'm about to, like, leave, and I hear some from the hall. I can hear, like, can't see the person. And this guy goes. Comes out of his apartment. He goes, is that my wife?

[B]

Oh, no, I swear to God, no.

[A]

He's. Is that my wife?

[B]

The whole time.

[A]

That was the weird part. Because it was like 40 minutes later.

[B]

You might be called in for the Netflix documentary Weird.

[A]

He's like, is. He says, is that my wife?

[B]

And I'm like, older.

[A]

Well, the woman was old. I didn't even see him because it was like, around the, like, corner. I could just hear him saying that. And then the EMTs are, like, trying to find her ID, right? Because they're not just gonna, like, tell. They're like asking him.

[B]

Oh, that's bizarre.

[A]

It was very strange, like, for 40 minutes. Also, like, they're screaming in the hallway. You didn't hear anything for four. And then at the end, is that my wife?

[B]

Is that my wife? How did you hear it and him not. How do you feel, Jordan, about this? Did you ever, like, look into this? Did you ever, like, try and figure out the mystery of who it was and what happened?

[A]

I heard she. She died. Did I not give that update on the show?

[B]

I. I don't know if I remember getting that update.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I did okay. He's like, you did okay. Yeah. I mean, that's. That's mostly what I heard because I was, like, fighting with the building about the fact that they had no security when this all happened.

[B]

So to, like, kind of set the scene. Jordana was living in a building while her house was getting renovated. And this was like a six month thing. But you notice that the building right away was kind of haphazard. There was, like, issues with the building. It just was like kind of a. Yeah.

[A]

It later got like, there were basically. It was like the owner was under investigation for fraud for, like, getting the.

[B]

That.

[A]

So they ran out of money.

[B]

Right. So there was like, the building had its own issues. And then you have these people that are living there for a number of reasons. Like, it wasn't just like. I'm sure there was a lot of people, like maybe going through a divorce or.

[A]

Right. Or moving out of their house or moving into their house or something like that. Yeah, right.

[B]

And then you hear this woman in the hallway screaming, and a guy's just like, calmly.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like it was a lot. That when I remember it, it's a lot funnier. This didn't seem that funny. I think your commentary was more. I feel like you're.

[B]

Well, I was gonna ask. You didn't answer my question.

[A]

We cut out your commentary, I think, from this. And your commentary did make it pretty funny.

[B]

I thought it was the funniest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. You never answer my question, which was what how are titties?

[A]

Oh, my God, you're an animal.

[B]

No. You know what I remember from this story? I remember that there was, you know, it's funny, like, when we talk about, like, good feedback, bad feedback, like, and how the good feedback, like, it. It, like it barely penetrates the surface. But when we get negative feedback, I, like, remember every single one.

[A]

People loved this. I mean, we had hats, people. There's something wrong with us.

[B]

People love this. In a way that did surprise me. But there was one person that got so mad and I'll never. And like, it's weird to remember one person after, you know, we. We made merch about a dead woman.

[A]

And that I watched basically die in front of me.

[B]

Right? And on the road, people. Is that my wife? Is that my wife? Is that people yelling at me?

[A]

We would use it all the time. Yeah.

[B]

Is that all the time? And then it was so funny to have one person get so angry about. I'm like, like, I remember someone wrote in, they were like, and you're asking about the boobs of a dead woman. And like, the way she explained it made it even funnier to me.

[A]

Yes. That was prime. I think that was a show at its. At its best. We made something very heavy, very light at someone's expense that will never know about it. And great episode. I. You know, we all. I need. I need another. Is that my wife? Because that was. That was a good time.

[B]

It just shows you it doesn't happen every day. So we do have another story that might be fake. So people always writing about. This one is a once in a lifetime story, but it might be too good to be true. Like it's. It's the poop story. So this poop story must have gone more viral than I even understood at the time because it's from episode. Should I tell him I snooped on his phone if I didn't like what I saw. Episode 207 from 1 2021. And this is, like, referenced so much. But then the story. We'll play it now. Let's play the story. Hey, J and Jay. I was cracking up. A Jordana story about clogging the toilet on the last, latest episode made me think of something that happened to me several years ago that I've tried to push deep into my memory. I hit it off with. I hit it off with a guy one night at a bar and ended up going back to his place at the end of the night. It was one of those perfect nights where it seems like it might be the start of something good. We hooked up that night and I slept over. The next morning he had to get up early and leave for work, but he told me I was welcome to stay and wake up slowly. He said I should feel free to help my help myself to coffee. And that since the apartment door had a push code, it would lock on its own behind me. Think about it now. I wonder what the f. I was thinking. Not just getting up and going to my own bed, but I think the combination of my hangover and the fact that it was only 6am Made me. Made me take him up on the offer. I actually don't blame her.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, in my story, that's exactly what happened. I mean I was. Maybe it wasn't maybe less of a one night stand, but still, it was like someone's like, they're leaving super early for work. Like, why not sleep?

[B]

Yeah. Get the whole bed. They got a nice play. Like, especially if the place is nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not like, you know, and you, you felt a sense of trust with the person. Yeah, let's. Let's kick it. Why not? I got up an hour or so later and had to go to the bathroom. Yes. Number two, I like that she answered. She's had a question on all of our minds. Yeah, I get it. So she went to the bathroom, took a huge dump. Oh no. That's what I said. Never. She didn't write that. Okay. I figured that since I was alone there, I would just quickly go before calling an Uber. But like, but when I went to right now, a man is listening going, women poop. But when I went to flush the toilet, it didn't work. I tried for several minutes to no avail. Thinking quickly, I grabbed a plastic grocery bag and scooped out my poop, tying it up in the bag. Oh my God.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

I, I figured I would just toss the bag in a public trash can outside.

[A]

You imagine doing this when you're hungover?

[B]

No, I, I.

[A]

Like.

[B]

So I, I figured I would just toss the bag in a public trash can outside before heading home. Before I left, poop bag in hand, I decided to be cute. Okay, at this point, cute is out the window. Can we just agree you have a.

[A]

Bag of your own feces in your hand? I don't know why.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

She's like, now is the time for some romance, for some flirty.

[B]

Yeah, get out of there, Take a shower. We'll be cute later. Like we'll be cute on the second date. Yeah, I decided to be cute and write him a note. Thank you for a fun night. I found a post it and a pen, jotted the note, jotted down the note, and left it on the counter, giving my full name and phone number as. As soon as the apartment door clicked shut behind me, I remember to my horror, she puts in capital that I had left the bag of poop on the counter next to my note.

[A]

Yes. This seems like something from a sitcom.

[B]

This is like, legitimately. Oh my God. I mean, I didn't have the code to get back in, so was nothing I could do about it. I basically left him a bag of poop next to all my identifying information. Needless to say, I never heard from him. I frequently think about how horrified he must have been when he came home from work that day. This is the funniest one we've ever gotten to make.

[A]

That was a good one.

[B]

What do you think?

[A]

The story seems real. Maybe she's the originator. People, People, like, loved that story. But then we got so much, so many people being like, I've heard that story. It's fake. It's like an urban dating legend.

[B]

Right. And. And you know, it's like at my. At our most confident, like, oh, this is a big show. Like, maybe that's what started it. People copying that story and using it as their own. Or it was just something on Reddit that was always there, that someone was like, I can send it in and I'll say it was me. Like, how would we even know? You know, like.

[A]

Right. Yeah.

[B]

But then it. I would see it repeated by other people on like, Tick Tock. And it's like they're basically being like, oh, this happened to me. And I'm like, well, no, it didn't. We. We have this here, you know.

[A]

Right. It might not have happened with us either, but it happened with us before it fake happened with you. So.

[B]

Right. It's like, it's funny to like, watch someone else do it. And you're like, well, this is a liar. And then maybe someone's looking at us being like, these liars make up their emails. No, someone sent it in.

[A]

You know, like, we don't, we don't verify. We're not, you know, catfish. We're not verifying every story we're sent.

[B]

Hey, send us the feal matter to let us know.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That it's real.

[A]

Yeah, we need the stool sample. Right.

[B]

So. But it was. I remember how fun that story was to like, when you live in it and you think it's true or maybe it is true. We don't know so, yeah, I just remember how exciting it was that people were like, I heard the poop story on the show, and I'm like, oh, really?

[A]

Yeah, we gotta. We gotta push that. That episode again, that was good, right?

[B]

All right, so this next thing is the Milk family. This was like a saga.

[A]

So people wanted merch for this too, right?

[B]

It's who gets to decide where you quarantine as a couple featuring Mark Manson. So we had a guest on and the. It was a red flag deal breaker. And you go to meet your boyfriend, girlfriend's par for the first time. And at dinner, each member of the family drinks a glass of milk with their meal. So let's play the red flag deal breaker and how we broke it down. It's either a red flag, you see it, you notice it, you keep going, or it's a deal breaker, you're out of the whole thing.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Ready? Let's do it. We had music. You go to meet your boyfriend or girlfriend, parents for the first time. And at dinner, each member of the family drinks a glass of milk with their meal. It's a milk.

[A]

Very wholesome.

[B]

Is. Can I, like, can we invent another flag? Because it's. It's not a red flag for me. That's just a weird flag. That's just like, okay. Just like, wow, your family's.

[A]

Are you okay with a weird family? Then you're fine with it. Okay. I'm sure in their own special way. Right?

[B]

So.

[A]

Well, what would. I'm trying to think what. I'd prefer that or like, every member of their family takes, like, six shots throughout dinner. I think, like, that might be a worse.

[B]

That. That's a more realistic one where it's like, everyone just gets hammered the first time you meet them. Like, are you okay with that? Like, I'd be hammered with them. I. I guess I would be. Like, the milk thing, it would scare me that, like, oh, man, this family is not loose at all. Like, milk is a sign of. Like, when we get together for dinner, we have our milk because it makes your bones strong. Like, I would be afraid that the family is, like, living in 1923. I don't know, maybe I'm biased because I enjoy milk. Like, I am a grown man who enjoys a glass of milk. But, like, yeah, the six shots is. That's. That's much closer to red flag territory. That would very much. You know, for me, that would mean I need to have a serious conversation with my girlfriend about her attitude towards addiction and alcohol and drugs.

[A]

Wait till she sobers up and then depending on her. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Hey, wake up.

[A]

So do. Do you maintain your. Still your preference for six shots at dinner over a glass of milk?

[B]

Well, it's funny that this email, the red flag deal breaker, it does kind of represent how far. And I don't mean to keep bringing this up, but, like, how more extreme the world has gotten because, like, our biggest issue. Well, you. Right, but if this was an issue today, like, what I said about the family being, like, from the 1950s and drinking milk, like, I feel like that would be, like, turned into this whole. Like, they must. If they drink milk, they must be this. And, you know, there's not. Like, a lot of it would get political, like, and even. And I'm kind of hinting at that in my response, but I don't even. I don't think I mean it to be that way, but I think if I said it now, I'd be like, well, I don't mean that. They are like, right.

[A]

You'd have to do a lot more qualifiers. People might get more angry. Yeah, right.

[B]

Like, because there's this, like, whole, like, I drink. Like, I. Like. I think there's someone on social media, they're like, I'm dairy girl. Like, only dairy. Like, and it's like, become this. Like, you know, now you go. You know, you can't even get your. You know, there's people that are like, I don't get it pasteurized. Like, it's like, it turns into this.

[A]

Whole, like, the raw milk movement.

[B]

Movement. Right. Remove is the right word. What do you think?

[A]

Well, it's funny. We had the guy. I remember this was kind of, like, the best part of it was, like, on a subsequent email, a guy was listening, and he was like, I was with my girlfriend and her friends, and they started laughing. And it came up that she had written in about, like, about the milk. And I have six brothers, and we all drink a big glass of milk at dinner, and then we, like, jump off the roof for, like. And he was like, I remember this line specifically. He was like, I think drinking milk is a deal maker, and here's why.

[B]

And it was like, I have the email. Here's the thing. Milk is a deal maker. My brother and I are all over six feet, have never broken a bone, survive falling off the roof, motorcycle crashes, T bones on a bike. The only explanation, milk. We drink a gallon every night and even considered buying a cow milk builds strong bones. Family dinners are going away, and we need both back.

[A]

That sounds political.

[B]

Right? I agree. So he Says so red flagger, deal breaker. My girlfriend asked podcasts if I. If what I did was a red flag or deal breaker. So he ends up writing it about her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who wrote in about him?

[A]

I think it's a green flag that she wrote it in and then told him about it. That's the best part of this show. It's like when you can kind of make fun of yourself, make fun of your partner, go through our. Our emails or our red flag or our games and kind of like, have a different opinion than your. That's the art we've lost in this country is having a different opinion and having a fun conversation about it. Making it fun instead of demonizing the other person.

[B]

Right. I mean, well, the. To. To that point, as an update, they ended up emailing us in November 2024 that they telling us that they're married now.

[A]

Now.

[B]

So love it. So to all the people that are like, I can't, you know, listen, we play the game red flag, deal breaker, but it's meant to, like, talk about a subject that, like, create a scenario where we can hash out a subject. It's not meant to say people who drink milk are, you know, like, right.

[A]

Or agree.

[B]

The meaning of. Yeah, right. Either way. Right. Right. So that was a. That's a. I love that. That they got married. I'm like, you know, so we have another one. Jordana laughs so hard that she coughs.

[A]

That one episode where I left.

[B]

I can't believe it. One laugh. It's called Tis the Season for Hometown Hookups, episode 503. Jordana laughs so hard, she chokes. Play it. I brush my teeth. Floss.

[A]

Floss.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Impressive.

[B]

I go into bed. I put the pillow. I. I stopped the Bachelor. I was halfway through. I put the pillow into. Oh, I masturbate every night. It's like, you know when people have, like, a warm glass of milk?

[A]

That's your warm glass of milk.

[B]

That. That puts me out like a bear being tranked. I'm like, you know, you go to.

[A]

Your place, you're not the real Santa Claus. It always comes back to milk. Sorry, that got weird.

[B]

If I was the real. In what world does Santa Claus sleep at the house? Jordana just choked. We almost lost Jordana. A full choking. Why in your world does Santa get in bed with the kid and start masturbating? In what world is that what Santa.

[A]

Does people leave out of glass? You don't like milk. You, like.

[B]

Coffed all over the mic. If I was Santa Claus, what is your takeaway from this. Because I have a takeaway that I thought of when I watched this.

[A]

We have a good time. We have a lot of fun on this show.

[B]

We know how to have fun. I would say the one thing I don't think the audience knows that I have learned over the years. Nobody likes a dark joke more than Jordana Abraham likes a dark joke. That is. And making a dark joke. Making it. Because there are times you'll make a joke where I'm like, I. My training as an as. As a comedian is to go along with whatever you say. And you.

[A]

I'm just wondering how many times you've been horrified by what I've said.

[B]

And you make jokes sometimes, and I'm like, I can't go along with this. And this joke was one that I loved. And the idea that Santa Claus would go to the house, get to the tree, put down the presents, and then just start masturbating in the living room before leaving. Like, it's such a random, dark way to look at it.

[A]

You know, that's where my mind goes. I'm. I'm a sicko. I am. I mean, yeah, I've got some. I've got some. Some. Some weird.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, because I. Listen, I'm not absolved.

[A]

I do make some dark jokes every now and then.

[B]

Absolutely. But I'm talking about masturbating to go to bed. You really.

[A]

Oh, no, I guess we weren't.

[B]

We weren't even talking. Good thing you're not Santa Claus. What? So that's why I love that clip so much. Speaking of uncomfortable moments, we got one more clip that everyone asked for. Okay, this was asked for a lot. You ready?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Your favorite episode, the Mel Robbins episode. We have a lot of questions about this. I. It's the one episode that I didn't go to YouTube and look at the comments. I. I knew the minute we ended taping, I wanted nothing to do with it anymore.

[A]

I looked at the comments.

[B]

How can. It's called. How can the Let Them Theory Help Me? Featuring Mel Robbins, episode 622.

[A]

That was our most divisive episode. People either loved it, like, it was obsessed with it, or they hated it and they hated her. I've never seen, like, there was no one who thought it was fine. There was no one who kind of liked it. People loved it or hated it. I've never seen such strong opinions.

[B]

I mean, it's. That's probably why she's so successful. Like, to take off on social media, you need to be loved and hated. And she's got it. She knows how to create a bar fight. I mean, like, so let's play the clip and then. And then we can get. Get into it. Mel Robbins, thank you for coming on.

[C]

Well, thank you for inviting me.

[A]

We're so excited to have you on. You were like, a Dating relationships, like, I would say, like, expert and just feel weird. Be so motivational in that space.

[C]

Well, so you guys will be the judge of that when we're done with this conversation, because I think everyone's gonna hate the advice.

[B]

Well, really? Yes. Okay. Why are they gonna hate it?

[C]

Well, because I'm gonna tell you the truth.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And the truth is the people that you're dating aren't the problem. You are.

[B]

You're the problem.

[A]

Hear that, Jared?

[B]

That's me.

[A]

It's you?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You know, that's an intervention for me.

[A]

I didn't tell. We didn't tell you right now. The door's locked. Yes, it is.

[C]

A padded door.

[A]

That's bad.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And you're gonna start crying like a child.

[A]

Let's talk about Jared, for example, who I would say is the person that a lot of people filter to. Right. You get no shortage of people who are trying to date you. And it's almost like in that way, what we're just.

[C]

You're just talking about that doesn't matter what the. Do you want. Like, do you actually want to get married?

[B]

I'd like to get married.

[C]

No. Do you want to get married?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And do you want children?

[A]

Yeah. Great.

[C]

And so what is the issue?

[B]

Well, that you're married and have children with in a situation that feels like a prison, you know, that could be.

[C]

That is so inspiring.

[A]

Is all over their bathroom vanity.

[B]

Someone's got a, you know, messy bathroom.

[C]

Is that really it? That you. That you actually are afraid you're gonna make a mistake?

[B]

Yeah, I think that's most. I think that's like a. Not like a pretty relatable thing.

[C]

And what is the pattern that you get into?

[B]

You kind of get to the next spot in the dating process, and you.

[C]

Go, okay, now, and what's the next spot for you?

[B]

I think it would be being in a committed relationship.

[A]

Like, going from right before that date.

[C]

What does committed mean to you? Because committed means a bazillion different things to people.

[B]

Committed to me would mean that you're dating and you're, you know, only seeing one another.

[C]

So you're talking about the very low bar of being exclusive with somebody.

[B]

Right.

[C]

That is what scares you.

[B]

Yeah, I think that scares me. Why Certain level. Because I know at, you know, at my age, at 39 right now, that I would be gung ho for that person, like, to. That wouldn't be like, you can't casually.

[A]

Date someone 39 in his mind.

[C]

To be in that space of being really, like, excited and into.

[B]

I would love to be.

[C]

Okay, great.

[B]

Yeah, I would love to be. I just, you know, I want to be able to feel that excitement. And if I'm not, if I'm at the doorstep of it and I'm even thinking of it, I go, then maybe I'm not that excited.

[A]

Well, how does the person that everyone's filtering to.

[B]

I don't think I'm the person everyone's. I think you.

[A]

You have no shortage of women who want to go out with you.

[B]

I could go on a. Dates are not a problem.

[A]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. But then that's what she's describing.

[C]

Discerning.

[B]

I think I'm. Yeah, probably not as discerning as maybe I would put on.

[C]

Well, then here's what I would. Here's what I would say to you. You need to have a reckoning with yourself where you know that the truth is that you actually are ready to find the person you want to spend your life with. You're casually dating because you want to. And people only change when they're ready to change. Like, somebody only gets sober when drinking is more painful than doing the hard work to face what they're running from. And there is something that you are afraid of, and you will not change your behavior until you have a very big kind of reckoning with yourself that this actually matters to me. It's not a joke. And I'm no longer casually dating because I do want to find the love of my life.

[A]

So what was so infuriating about that conversation for you?

[B]

Well, let me backtrack to when we had her on. I was like, I think we taped a couple episodes. Not to give an excuse. I'm not. I'm not trying to get out of this discussion. I was, like, exhausted for some reason. I mean, I can see it on me watching that back, that we had.

[A]

Just a long episode, too.

[B]

It was a long episode. And it went from, like. And you can see in the beginning of that clip, I'm trying to have fun with, like, the subject matter, you know, with the guest. You know, I started laughing at, like, you're. You know, I'm the. We were joking about something in the beginning of that clip. It was like, we have this whole joke about the intervention. And it's like that joke, that fun of the intervention conversation, you can tell was not what she was looking to do. Like, and it turned into, what the is wrong with you, Jared? And asking someone who's not being vulnerable with me to be very vulnerable with them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And, you know, that's my issue. And the other issue is. And it's why her stuff goes viral. People love her and gain value from her. So, like, I had so many people say to me, Jared, I, Mel Robbins, like, they were impressed with us as if I did the Tonight Show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I remember I felt like I couldn't really say. I didn't really feel great in that conversation. Because then she's saying she's minimizing my issue. The very low bar of committing to someone. And this is coming from someone who I think, like, not. Don't you know, this is something. Doesn't she. In an open relationship. Has that been rumored?

[A]

I don't. I don't know. Is that a. Is that a thing?

[B]

So I don't know either. Maybe I. I had heard that from another podcast that maybe she's in an open relationship. So it's like. So obviously it's not a very. I. I don't think getting into a committed relationship is a very low bar. Like, you're just minimizing any response I had. And it, like, the whole episode kind of felt like she was really trying to own the space to make something that is pretty universal and not that interesting her own. Like, when you said off the bat, oh, you're doing, like, let them. Is.

[A]

Is right. It's basically like a. A Wu way, like an ancient, like, Chinese principle. I forgot what it was called. Taoism. Daoism.

[B]

Taoism. Right. It was Taoism. And she was like, no. Like, that kind of start to me, that was like, the start of like. Like, I'm gonna own the space. And again, it wasn't like, a fun conversation. Like, I. I'm being asked to, like, get vulnerable with someone who's just giving lines and not really, you know, and then saying that, like, any pro. Anything I would say as far as, like, why I wasn't like, Was that.

[A]

She'S kind of just dismissing it. Yeah.

[B]

Right. Which is like, listen. And the problem is there's truth to it. Like, and if you already think. If you're mad at me for not being in a relationship, I don't know why you'd be mad at me or if I represent someone.

[A]

Represent someone. Yeah.

[B]

That you're mad at for not Committing. And you think that, like, when a man says me, when I say that I want to be in a relationship, you think I'm lying to getting women's pants. If that's your belief, then you're going to be like, Mel told them finally. And it's like, okay, I don't believe that. Like, I do believe I want to have a family and advocate.

[A]

Well, that's why she's not a therapist. She's just a woman who's very good at. At drilling down one point that people. And some people just want to rule. You know, they don't care about the nuances that go into it or the. Like, I think for some people, she's probably helpful. People who don't want to think about things too intensely don't want to, like, analyze the different parts of, like, the ways and the reasons for the way that they are. And they just want. Just let them and let me and problem solved. Like, Right. That works for some people, but I don't think it's our style.

[B]

It's not our style. And it, you know, I. I walked out of there feeling, you know, and again, you're right. The people who love her, I didn't want to say to them, I think she stinks. Like, I didn't want to say that. Like, I felt bad.

[A]

It sounds like you're judging them because they love.

[B]

Right, Right. And you're the. You're the turd in the punch bowl. So, like, I didn't want to say that. I am thankful. She came on the show, she walked in, she said, what do you guys want out of this? Like, it was very, like, just met Oprah.

[A]

I just came out of meeting Oprah.

[B]

She just came out of meeting Oprah. She's on her fucking high horse. And then their goodbye kind of showed me everything. She really thought very little of me. And she said, jordana, I mean, you remember the goodbye.

[A]

Of course. Yes.

[B]

I'll never forget the goodbye. The iconic Mel Robbins goodbye. It was. Jordana, congratulations. Everything you've created here is the most unbelievable. Oh, my God, Jordana, what you've done here is just congratulations on everything, Jared. You'll be okay.

[A]

You're gonna be fine.

[B]

You're gonna be fine. It was like, yeah, I mean, I can understand why a loser with a podcast. Like, I. I was like, I'm like.

[A]

It would be a good. If you ever. If you do make your sitcom, that would be a very good episode.

[B]

It was crazy. She wasn't talking with me. She was talking down to me. She had no respect for me as a human.

[A]

That's why people go to her. That's why people go to her because they want to be, they want to be talked out. They want to just be told what to do. And that's not who you are.

[B]

Right. And well, and she also comes from this world of any man that stays single is doing it to, at the, at the like, at the injury, at the, at, at the harm of other women. And that, that really like, demeans my sensibilities, my, you know, and also like, minimizes my feelings and, and insecurities that exist on earth, so. Right. Thanks for coming on the show.

[A]

She is huge. She is huge. Huge.

[B]

The amount of people that come up to me, my aunt Jared, Mel. No Robbins.

[A]

No one likes Mel Robbins like an aunt.

[B]

No one love Mel Robbins. And, and I, you know, this video's out there and like, you know, if someone really got in a conversation with me, I would be like, yeah, watch it. It's kind of awkward. I would say to you, it's a little bit of an awkward conversation. I would say that to people and not really get into it anymore. But like, I, and I knew it was going to be a big video. I knew it was going to be a big clip. She took us out of all the clips.

[A]

She liked the episode. She put up a ton of clips from herself, from without us.

[B]

It's of, of her high fiving herself.

[A]

So. Listen, Jared, you gotta let them.

[B]

I just. Right. I just wish that I called the let them theory. That's called being a dad. That's what dads do. They just don't give a. And let the kid eat when he eats, so.

[A]

All right.

[B]

But your Taoism thing was good. I, I, yeah, I felt like I up that day. I felt really, I walked out of there being like, man, I was a nothing.

[A]

No, I think it's just like very different ways of looking at the world.

[B]

Right. Well, I think the way she's looking at the world is to make money off the world. I, I don't buy it. Like, I, and listen, some people are that like, and they're good at that and they can leave it out the door. And I sit there at night staying up. That's why I'm a mediocre. Whatever. So happy anniversary.

[A]

You'll be okay.

[B]

Eight years.

[A]

No. Thank you guys for listening. Some. If you've been listening since the beginning, I know many of you have, or if you found us along the way. We love you guys. We appre. The show wouldn't exist without your awkward stories and submissions and vulnerability and, you know, we really appreciate all that. I love. There's nothing I love in this world more than doing the show. It gives me so much purpose. I laugh harder than I. Than I do in any other scenario. And I'm so glad we're. I'm so glad we're still here.

[B]

I am, too. I am. It's a pleasure to do this show with you, Jordana. It's a pleasure to work with the great people we work with. It's a pleasure to have the. The people who listen to it. Every time I meet them, I'm like. I'm like. It makes me feel good about myself, like, to meet the listeners. So, like. And it's why we do an hour and a half when we could do an hour. We could do 45 minutes, and maybe it would help the show grow. But we're like it. We like chilling and hanging out, so we like it. We solve dating again.

[A]

We did it. We'll be back next week. Bye.

[B]

Boom. B.