Why Situationships Hurt More Than Breakups

Summary

U Up? Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Why Situationships Hurt More Than Breakups
Release Date: April 8, 2026
Hosts: Jordana Abraham & Jared Freed (Betches Media)

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Overview

In this episode, Jordana and Jared take a deep dive into the complexities of "situationships"—undefined, ambiguous romantic entanglements—and discuss why these gray-area relationships often leave people feeling more hurt than traditional breakups. They weave in trending reality TV dating drama, answer listener emails, and provide updates from past guests, all with their signature blend of humor, warmth, and sharp insight into the modern dating landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Updates & Catch-Ups

[00:37–05:14]

• Jordana returns to virtual taping after guest episodes, with the duo catching up on home décor, gallery walls, and their living spaces.
• Banter about hookah and college DIY projects highlights their playful dynamic:
  • "She wanted to paint it like Starry Night, the Vincent Van Gogh painting." (Jordana, 02:19)

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2. Summer House Drama: Amanda, West, and Sierra Explained

[05:24–22:42]

Recap of the Situation

• Jared asks for a clear explanation of the Amanda-West-Sierra love triangle from Summer House.
• Jordana provides context:
  • Amanda and Kyle were a situationship that moved to marriage, now separated.
  • Kyle allegedly mistreated Amanda; the audience rallied around her after the separation (09:31).
• New rumors suggest Amanda is hooking up with West, who previously had a situationship with Sierra (her close friend on the show).

Insights into Modern Relationship Dynamics

• The emotional stakes are higher in situationships due to the lack of closure and the feeling of being replaced—particularly hurtful if a close friend gets involved.
• On dating in the public eye: contestants are more comfortable dating within their reality TV cast than seeking new people due to exposure risks.

Notable Quote:

• "If you’re newly single...there’s probably a fear of outsiders. So you’re more likely to find comfort and date the people already on the show because they have as much to lose as you do." (Jordana, 20:33)

Discussion on Friendship Dynamics

• Jared wonders if Amanda and Sierra are as close as portrayed or if the friendship is more for show.
• They debate the hierarchy of emotional hurt:
  • Is it worse for a friend to date your ex-situationship or someone you really dated?
  • Jordana asserts hurt can be deeper in situationships due to the lack of mutual closure:
    • "With the situationship thing, it felt like this person actively was like, hurt. You didn’t choose me, but you chose my friend…" (Jordana, 26:18)

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3. Listener Update: Veronica’s Long-Distance Relationship

[31:03–44:00]

Segment: “What are You Up To?”

• Veronica Stern, a past guest, gives a candid update:
  • She’s back together with her ex (“Toronto Man”) after a long-distance breakup.
  • They decided to try again, prioritizing being together over obsessing about who would move.

Notable Moments:

• Veronica: "We were just like, we miss one another… is that better than not being together?" (37:11)
• Jordana: "You can get back together with an ex if the thing that broke you up changes." (38:01)

Managing Outside Noise

• Veronica asks for advice on dealing with pressure about “closing the distance”:
  • Jordana suggests preparing a canned answer:
    • "What we’re doing now is really working for us. When it doesn’t, we’ll figure that out." (41:20)
  • Jared reframes such questions as social filler:
    • "Everyone notices, nobody cares." (41:52)

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4. Petty or Prudent: Breakup Etiquette

[46:16–55:47]

Scenario

• Listener’s ex took his workout equipment from her building’s backyard while she was away—using a code he knew—without texting.

Insight

• They debate the etiquette:
  • Context matters: Was it a shared hallway or inside the apartment?
  • Both agree that with outdoor items and recent breakup, it’s not a major violation but could feel "cowardly" or "annoying."
  • "She’s mad she lost an opportunity to be annoying to her ex." (Jared, 55:16)

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5. Listener Emails: Wedding Rings, Sex Lives, and Family Dynamics

A. Husband Won’t Wear Wedding Ring

[59:24–72:35]

• Listener laments her husband almost never wears his wedding ring and hasn’t followed through on a tattoo alternative.
• Jared’s personal angle: His dad never wore a ring; context and comfort matter.
• Live call to Jared’s mom:
  • She admits she wanted him to, but he was uncomfortable—so she let it go.
  • "Fight the big fights, that one was easy. Why make a stink?" (Jared’s Mom, 66:18)

B. Sex & Communication: Partner Won’t Give (or Receive) Oral

[72:53–82:19]

• Listener’s boyfriend refuses oral, and she feels unsatisfied.
• Jordana: Must have an honest, judgment-free conversation about sexual needs.
• Jared:
  • "She needs to stop saying we’re on the same page about how the sex we’re having is very good. It’s not very good. You’re unhappy." (74:59)
  • Both hosts see openness and effort as crucial—lack thereof is a probable dealbreaker.

C. Dealbreaker or Red Flag: Tickling and Sibling Roommates

[82:51–94:41]

• A boyfriend claims he can “mentally disengage” from being ticklish—a "flag" for being overly controlled and un-fun.
  • "Letting go makes you weak. That’s what he’s saying." (Jordana, 85:06)
• Another listener questions her boyfriend cohabiting with his sister; hosts agree the arrangement is reasonable and view the emailer as the problematic party.
  • "This family that’s writing in... they’re the deal breaker." (Jared, 89:56)

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Notable Quotes

• On Summer House Drama:
  • “Women were aware of him… I was really jealous of his standing in the room.” (Jared, 14:44)
• On Situationship Pain:
  • “Sometimes you’re hurt more by these situationships because… it didn’t have a label.” (Jordana, 27:15)
• On Outside Pressure in Long-Distance:
  • “Everyone notices, nobody cares.” (Jared, 41:52)
• On Breakup Etiquette:
  • “He finds her so petty that it’s almost petty of him to avoid her.” (Jared, 49:59)
• On Wedding Rings:
  • “Fight the big fights, that one was easy. Why make a stink?” (Jared’s Mom, 66:18)
• On “Oral Sex Red Flags”:
  • “You can break up with anyone for any reason. If he’s very hesitant… it’s probably not this guy.” (Jordana, 82:09)
• On Tickling and Control:
  • “Letting go makes you weak. That’s what he’s saying.” (Jordana, 85:06)

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Timestamps Overview

• 00:37–05:14 — Catch-up & Home Life Banter
• 05:24–22:42 — Summer House Relationship Drama (Amanda/West/Sierra)
• 26:12 — Is it worse when a friend dates your ex-situationship?
• 31:03–44:00 — Veronica’s Long-Distance Relationship Update
• 46:16–55:47 — Petty or Prudent: Breakup Pickup Etiquette
• 59:24–72:35 — Listener Email: The Case of the Missing Wedding Ring
• 72:53–82:19 — Red Flag/Deal Breaker: Sexual Compatibility
• 82:51–86:40 — Red Flag/Deal Breaker: Tickling & Psychological Control
• 88:43–94:41 — Cohabiting Siblings & Overanalyzing Family Life

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Tone & Takeaways

Rich with pop culture references, real listener dilemmas, and the hosts’ willingness to mix vulnerability with roast-level humor, the episode covers serious relationship concepts with a lighthearted, relatable touch. The central theme—that ambiguity and lack of closure in situationships can create more lasting pain than a clear breakup—runs through the reality TV analysis, listener updates, and responses to real-life scenarios.

Listeners come away reminded that clear communication, self-honesty, and factoring in context matter most in dating—and that sometimes, it’s the people writing in who need to check their own expectations.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Jordana Abraham]

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[Jared Freed]

And I am Jared Freed. It is so good to be back here with you, Jordana. Virtually. We are doing a virtual taping. We, you know, listen, we did our guests and now Mama's home.

[Jordana Abraham]

I'm back.

[Jared Freed]

She's back. And we're gonna do these as close to airing as possible and we'll keep these energetic and awesome virtual. You know, if you like the YouTube, we want you to go to YouTube and see our facial expressions. And you can see inside of Jordana's home. You can see the green behind her. You can see my, my southern, you know, U up studio here in Delray Beach. I was just walking the beach. How are you? What's going on?

[Jordana Abraham]

I'm good. I think we both need to get more character in our background.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, we both, we both need something. We need like a painting.

[Jordana Abraham]

Sammy is actually coming. I have art. I just don't know how to hang it. And Sammy is coming over after this recording to like put up my gallery wall behind me. She's. We did a recording. I filled in for Aileen on the at batches pod the other day and she was like, you've been living there long enough. Like, you need to.

[Jared Freed]

It's time to get it up.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

I didn't see Sammy as the, you know, put on the tool belt type. I didn't know she was a gallery wall.

[Jordana Abraham]

Totally.

[Jared Freed]

I don't know. I, I didn't know she knew her way around a. A handsaw.

[Jordana Abraham]

She's very, I think she's very into at least attempted diy. She's like, she'll give it a job. I think she's paint. She painted her own office, but then she had to get it repainted. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I shouldn't let her touch the walls.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

When we were in college, you know, Elaine, Sammy and I lived together Our senior year. That's why that's kind of like how we started batches and we were in college.

[Jared Freed]

First ever studio. The first ever batches. Office hq.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes, exactly. She wanted to paint one of our college walls. She wanted to paint it like Starry Night, the Vincent Van Go painting.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. And Elaine was like, thank you for explaining to me the garbage human. Did you know?

[Jordana Abraham]

I don't know.

[Jared Freed]

I, I, I didn't know. You're right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. Anyway, Aen was like, no. She was like, what do you mean? Star Night is the easiest painting of all time, Which I don't think is, is true.

[Jared Freed]

What an insult to Van Go. I mean, what, that's been like a

[Jordana Abraham]

running joke in our, in our friendship, basically, since that is like, Star Night is like Sam's like, of, of course I could do Starry Night, but she does a lot of DIY called Senior

[Jared Freed]

year delusion, you know. Oh, it's all about who you know. I could paint Starry Night. Of course. Yes.

[Jordana Abraham]

A lot of senior year was me and Sammy suggesting, I love the mug, by the way, suggesting absurd things and Aen just shooting them down because they were ridiculous. We should get a dog for the apartment. Aen was like, absolutely not.

[Jared Freed]

And the only responsible one in the room.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. The only thing we got, the only thing we got away with was a hookah. A hookah. Let us bring in a hookah. We bought a hookah.

[Jared Freed]

I've never understood the hookah thing. And please excuse my cultural blind spot if this is something that's important to your grandma. I'm just saying I never understood the hangout that surrounded a hookah. I, I just wasn't for me. Did you ever go to a hookah lounge?

[Jordana Abraham]

Oh, yeah, in my day. I like, I like a I hookah.

[Jared Freed]

I like mama hookahs.

[Jordana Abraham]

It needs a cooler name. But yes, I have, I have done, I've done many a hook. I don't know. I smoked many a hookah.

[Jared Freed]

In fact, this is the white chick starting a matcha company that's been around a thousand years. I don't know about the name Matcha. You know, to hookah's like a name. Isn't that, yeah, that's cultural, right? A Shabbat needs a better name. Jordana. I don't know.

[Jordana Abraham]

I mean, it might be. I've always said, you know, Hanukkah needs better songs. Anyway, love the mug.

[Jared Freed]

Thank you. I got a new mug. If you're on YouTube, you can see my collection of weird, like, tchotchkas. Continues. My single or not. Not single. My inner relationship but living alone man pad is acquiring more and more titty shaped items. My girlfriend helped me pick this out actually.

[Jordana Abraham]

Really? Wow.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, she's into it. I found another titty weirdo.

[Jordana Abraham]

She gonna decorate the apartment with titty memorabilia.

[Jared Freed]

It's probably gonna come down to like. Like if we ever moved in together, I'd get like a titty room. Like I can have my titty corner with all weird.

[Jordana Abraham]

That's how you get the traditional cheesy man cave.

[Jared Freed]

Right. That. Well, that's the. Probably the invention of the man cave is right. Put your in that corner and then we'll call it a man cave. It's really his shit corner.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. Here's the shit that you think is looks good, which I know doesn't look good, but I don't want to be like that big of an. So you can put it all in that area where I don't have to see it.

[Jared Freed]

You're exactly right. Which is why I have a question that I was talking about my talking to myself about that. I need you to explain something for me. I need you to.

[Jordana Abraham]

Okay, let's hear it, woman.

[Jared Freed]

Splain the Amanda west and Sierra thing and why people and. And just as clean as you can explain it to me.

[Jordana Abraham]

How much do you know?

[Jared Freed]

I know very little. Let me. And. And I know I just. I dip into the show via clips on Tick Tock. I dip into the summer house world via the certain characters and. And again from. I have my ear up to the wall at B know listening to what the kids are talking about. So. But I. I in a very husband who watches the show from the back of the room way. I'm that with all of the beta news and this feels like it has gotten so much bigger.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, you're in. You're. You're in the deep, deep in the hole.

[Jared Freed]

Okay, I'm deep. So can you explain it just like the facts instead of I don't want. I don't want whose side you're on. We can get to that. But because this is a relationship show and it seems like this is a relationship drama. So it's worth talking about here.

[Jordana Abraham]

Indeed. Indeed. Yes. Definitely relationship drama. So I mean, you know the concept of summer house, it's like a bunch of people living in a house in the Hamptons together during the summer. And it's now in 10 seasons. So the characters are pretty well developed.

[Jared Freed]

It's quite.

[Jordana Abraham]

That early. Okay.

[Jared Freed]

It's quite literally. They took a New York City concept and turned it into A show. A New York City concept being. And again, this concept exists for other major cities where people move to after college. Hey, all of us are going to get a house on the Hamptons, a very expensive place that parties a little bit. And every weekend we're going to take our city life and we're going to move it out to the Hamptons and do a weekend and then come back again. And that, that's the show, right?

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. Relatable concept. Now, now it doesn't make quite as much sense because the characters like the oldest character is like 43 years old and that's not really what most 43 year olds are doing.

[Jared Freed]

No normal 43 year old human living and working in New York is going to the Hamptons in a share house in a sharehouse. That. That is. All of us would describe that person as creepy loser if they're a man and hardworking woman if it's a woman. You know, like I look at like.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, what? One of the women, Lindsay, I think is like 39 and she has a baby. So it doesn't make any.

[Jared Freed]

No sense. Not, not realistic, not relatable. Nobody's doing.

[Jordana Abraham]

It started off when it started off totally. They were 10 years younger. That's the concept of the show for anyone.

[Jared Freed]

Okay. Sorry I keep interrupting. I'm very excited about this conversation.

[Jordana Abraham]

No, it's fine. I'll try to do my best to keep the story straight. I'm. I'm like, I haven't done like Sammy's done it more, much more intense of a deep dive than I have. But here's what I've gathered.

[Jared Freed]

Sammy did a deep dive on something.

[Jordana Abraham]

I can't believe Sammy's a listener on the show. So. Thanks. Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

Seriously, thank God for Sammy. She explains everything to me.

[Jordana Abraham]

She does. She does explain. Sammy explains it all. Remember Clarissa explains it all.

[Jared Freed]

Anyway, that's a good series. I think that would be fun idea.

[Jordana Abraham]

Okay.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, there we go.

[Jordana Abraham]

So I also we're recording this on March 31st, so I don't know what will have come out by the time this airs next week. First week of April might have see

[Jared Freed]

how much you're getting ahead of this. Please don't come for me.

[Jordana Abraham]

I don't want people to yell at me about like, you know I can and like when we watch Love is Blind, like I could have the wrong take by the time this comes out.

[Jared Freed]

Sure. Things could come out.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. So the rumors swirling. Okay, so Kyle and Amanda were. Are married.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Season one of the show. She's like, they're kind of in a situationship. He's like, kind of broke up with her to go on the show. But they'll, like, she'll come over and hook up. Now she's like a regular. They're married, right? Or they were married.

[Jared Freed]

I would say that that's where Amanda's love came from. A lot of women who related to her plight. I've been hook up with this guy who won't give me the time of day, won't commit. Finally, she gets him to commit, and we realize he's not that much of an aspirational boyfriend. And then she divorces him. And all the women cheer like they're part of the wizard of Oz and they've been freed from the Wicked Witch of the West. That's kind of my understanding.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. And this divorce came out, like, the fact that they were separating. I don't know if they're divorced yet. They're separated. This came out, like, a few months ago. So recently.

[Jared Freed]

I'm aware of that. And I am aware of. I heard the cheers. It was like when Biden won New York City cheered when they found out that Amanda had ended things. And it seemed as though they were holding hands with the show while this was going on. It felt like it was somewhat in. In service of promoting a show that they're on and they're too old to be on and it could be their last few seasons on it. But I keep. I'm sorry. Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

No, I think that's definitely true because as you're hearing this news, I think this was, like, right before the season came out. So one good promotion for the season. But then on the season, you see him, like, acting like he says, like, I think he gets drunk and he calls her, like, a dumb. That might not be the exact words he used, but something along those lines. And so she's gathered. She's gaining, like, a lot of. In the court of public opinion. Everyone is like, there's, like, there was news that he. There was. It came out that he was like he had, like, slept at a fan's apartment or something like that.

[Jared Freed]

Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

So there's a few things where it's like the Internet is Team Amanda, as they.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

They've heard. They've heard she's separated. And it's very. Yes, Queen, Go girl. To me, it seems like one of their central arguments in the show is that he kind of thinks she's, like, a little lazy like they are. They work together on Lover Boy. You know what Lover Boy is?

[Jared Freed]

Yes, the drink.

[Jordana Abraham]

Drink that he makes, but he's cons every day. Every season, he's like, lover Boy is about to go bankrupt. I owe $500,000, and I'm $500,000 deep in lover boy, whatever it is. But he, like, basically asked her to quit. Her. She's like a. She was like a design. She was like an. A digital design person. And he convinced her to quit her job and work on Lover Boy. Also, they promoted on the show, so it's just kind of like their business and their lives are pretty intertwined. But a lot of his complaining, at least in earlier seasons, was that she was constantly just kind of like, on the couch smoking pot, not really working, and he's, like, trying to build this. This company and this brand. So if. When it comes to, like, the money thing, it always kind of seemed like it wasn't like she. If she was the power person in the relationship, at least that's not how it came off to me. I.

[Jared Freed]

Maybe that's a more recent development.

[Jordana Abraham]

Well, now she's coming out with a line of bikinis or something.

[Jared Freed]

Well, we wish her the best, but I. So. So, okay, so they break up. Going to the season, you're watching the breakup happen, which is, you know, you're watching the rocks.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

You're watching, you know, the ending. But nothing is juicier to a, you know, a female forward audience than breakup we know is coming. And we get to watch how that happens along the way. Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes, of course. Look for clues. You look for hints.

[Jared Freed]

Any. Any gender would like that. I. I enjoy that as well. Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. Okay. So basically, the show is currently airing, but now there's rumors like. Like un. Subst. Not from my. To my knowledge, not like, fully substantiated rumors, but on Dumois and Reddit and, like, all the places where a lot of these things that wind up being true do start that Amanda is hooking up with this guy west on the show who's. He's been on the show. He's a new. He's a relatively new person. He's been on, like two or three. I think this is his third season.

[Jared Freed]

I've only seen west live from a distance. He kind of seems like from my angle of not knowing the show well. And again, this is. I'm. I'm being upfront about how much I know. West always seemed like central casting for guy you'd hook up with after a divorce. He's. He's uncapped. Like, he just. He was at a party I was at, and he just Looked like he was wearing the Lenny Kravitz meme of all the blankets, like.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right.

[Jared Freed]

He looked unshowered, unkept. You wouldn't bring him home. Yeah. You'd want to crack at him because he's a good looking dude. He was a lot. He was a lot smaller than I thought he would be. Isn't he a hockey player or a former hockey player?

[Jordana Abraham]

Is he. I don't know. I didn't hear that. Maybe.

[Jared Freed]

I don't know what his origin tale is anyway.

[Jordana Abraham]

I could see that. Yeah, but he is. He kind of like, strikes me as like, sort of like playing dumb. Boyish.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. It seems like he's good at it.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, he is. It's kind of like, oh, you were upset about that. I didn't know. You were upset that I, you know, didn't invite you to my parents. Right. That I broke up with you casually, like, right before we went to a party. Like, that was. I didn't real. He'll be like, oh, I didn't realize that was like, gonna make you so upset.

[Jared Freed]

Right? No, he's good at that. That's. That's a great move. At the party I was at, he was properly aloof. Like, he just like dancing by himself while Dr.

[Jordana Abraham]

He's very like me.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. Women. Women were aware of him, though. I could tell me, you know, jealous in the corner of this party, drinking a club soda, splash of cranberry, just staring at him, being utterly cool and look like someone who hadn't gone to the gym in a month, but looks great. Yeah, I. I was really jealous of his. His standing in the room.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, he's kind of one of those people where it's like, he does seem to like. And again, his central plot line is basically that Amanda's best friend on the show, seemingly in real life too. So, like, they seem to, like, come out with very supportive statements of each other, with each other a lot. They seem like they're friends in real life, but on the Show they're definitely BFFs. And basically. So Sierra is. Is her. Her best friend. And they. She and Wes were hooking up on his, like, first season, and then he did this kind of like clueless, douchebaggy, like, situationship thing, which he might do at like 27 years old. I don't know how old he is. Like, probably like late 20s.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

I could, you know, tail as old as time.

[Jared Freed]

Sure. You know, haven't we all.

[Jordana Abraham]

It seemed like he. It seemed like they were dating in the summer house.

[Jared Freed]

They leave you thought this was a thing.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, right. And then, like, this was. This is also. They filmed this before his season came out, and it basically kind of came out that he was, like, to her that he wanted to see, like, if he could get a lot more girls once the show came out and kind of, like, ended it with her, like, right before it aired. So he seems like this great guy who's really into her, and it sort of played out. It seemed like it played out, like, right before the show aired. They're about to go to a party, and he's like, I think we're better off as friends.

[Jared Freed]

Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

Which didn't go well.

[Jared Freed]

I can't see how it went.

[Jordana Abraham]

It came out. Right. Basically, like, it sort of came out that that was his reasoning. Like, I'm about to be, like, on national television. I kind of want to, like, see what I can get.

[Jared Freed]

The most honest reason ever given for a breakup, in my opinion. Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

Not great, but.

[Jared Freed]

Not great. But.

[Jordana Abraham]

So this is her best friend. And then they've basically had this sort of tense relationship since. But then this summer, it seems like they're almost, like, getting kind of flirty again. The friend, Sierra and. And West. And so the fact that it comes out that he's actually hooking up with Amanda is very scandalous if it's true, which people are debating if it's true.

[Jared Freed]

So the. The. The allegations is that Amanda hooked up with west, who is Sierra's act, are

[Jordana Abraham]

hooking up and potentially dating. I think I've heard that one, too. Like, they're really dating.

[Jared Freed]

Oh, wow. I mean, it does feel like they both have their choice. I mean, again, when your reason for ending think things in the first place is I could be with a ton of other women, and I don't like you as much as I like trying to hook up right now at this part of my life, which is, like, a hard thing to hear, but, like, I kind of like that type of honesty. You go, okay, like, yeah, I guess, you know, I'd rather you do this than cheat on me. You know, like, that's the option. And, you know, and then to hear that, like, you're, well, sure, but you're admit. You're admitting I can get a lot of different women via this public platform I have. And then you go to the one woman that's on the show that's friends with your ex that's, like, up like you.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right? Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

You've acknowledged not having the. The wherewithal that you can hook up with anyone or a group.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. Or more people than before you were on a hit reality TV series, whatever.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

But then it seems like it would be a weird move for her to do just because she had so much public favor in this divorce with. With Kyle, where everyone's kind of, like, watching him treat her. Like, for her to do this, she's kind of, like, lost all of her. Her reputational things. But no one's really ever seen her single on the show, so it's kind of like maybe this is who she is.

[Jared Freed]

Right. Never having seen her single on the show is a. Is a really good, interesting thing. Like, this idea that. Because it wasn't my idea of her on the show was, like, her. Sierra and Paige would, like, sit in bed like the parents from Willy Wonka judging everyone for going out. Like, wasn't that their thing?

[Jordana Abraham]

That was a big part of it. Yeah. Right.

[Jared Freed]

Like. Like, why would you be on a show? Like, I just didn't. I never understood the aspirational quality of. I didn't understand. I guess I understand, like, because people hated Kyle so much, she became aspirational. But, like, I don't really see it.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right.

[Jared Freed]

She kind of always seemed boring. There was never, like, a clip that I was like, wow, Amanda, like, this chick, you know, like.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. I mean, I think her relevancy came from, like, her fighting her fights with Kyle. There was a season where he cheated on her, and she found out about it. It's like, all a little bit in relation, I think she's. And she kind of says that on the show. Like, she's trying to, I, like, discover who she is outside of this relationship, which, again, is also what she does for work up until, like, very recently. And I think she. I think she's, like nine years younger than Kyle, I think. So she started on this show at, like, 24.

[Jared Freed]

Got it. Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

I think it is kind of hard. That's another layer of the relationship thing is it is kind of know who you are outside of your husband, boyfriend, if you've been with them since you're 24.

[Jared Freed]

Right. If you broke up at, like, 30, and now you're in this.

[Jordana Abraham]

I think she's like, 33 or 34.

[Jared Freed]

Right. So that's got to be scary. Who am I? And then the guy, you know, the people people hook up with after a breakup is someone that's, like, almost, like, easy a little bit. Like, there's like, a. There's an element of, like, I don't know how to comfort, and I don't know how to, like, go open new Conversations with new people. Let me go to the people that I'm already comfortable talking to. Like, I can understand that.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, I think you saw that with Carl and Lindsay too, where, like, when they got engaged and, and then broke up, it's kind of like, I do think if you're newly single or even if you're just like, if you're single and you're kind of fake, I guess you're famous. They're famous. There is an element of I can't just date, like, a normal person and go on a date. Then that person, like, that person just going to tell everyone what I was like on the date, or that person's going to, like, screenshot everything I say and send. So I think there's probably a fear of outsiders. So you're more likely to find comfort and date the people who are already on the show because they have kind of as much to lose as you do.

[Jared Freed]

Right. Well, I'm happy you caught me up. I, I, I'm happy to be here. I, I.

[Jordana Abraham]

Do you believe the rumors?

[Jared Freed]

I believe where there's smoke, there's fire. I think they probably hooked up. I don't think her and Sierra's friends as maybe we wanted to believe. I think that they, you know, to me, if you're the one who sits in bed while everyone goes out, like, you're probably not the type to, like, go find a new boyfriend or go date really in, like, a fun way. Like, I don't know, there's this, like, brand of influencer that's like, to me is like the permission influencer. And I see it a lot now where it's like, they give permission to boring people to be boring and, like, not that fun, you know?

[Jordana Abraham]

Like, I thought boring people need role models too, right?

[Jared Freed]

And it's like this person that, like, oh, if you were friends with them, you, they're hilarious. If you even knew them, they're hilarious. And you're like, I've heard about that person my whole life. Like, the, oh, my God. Once you get to know them, they're like the funniest person. And they're like, literally a nothing who sits on the corner of situations and leaves everything early. And it's like, I think there's this, like, person that people grab on to is like, they're successful and they don't bring a lot to the table. So, like, I think that's, like, where her, you know, her, like, her flowers

[Jordana Abraham]

come from a lot. Like, casting keeps bringing him back. So I can see why they're like, I don't need to go out to get, you know, re contracted on this show.

[Jared Freed]

Right. Why would I season. I'll be there with my. My jam jams on, ready to go. Did you have a question for me? Even though I didn't shut up, I did.

[Jordana Abraham]

But I. I want to save it for our Friday episode.

[Jared Freed]

Yes, let's save it for the Friday episode. You'll. That's a big. That's what we call a tease in the industry if you're out there and listening and watching on YouTube. I'm gonna be in St. Louis. I'm also in Vegas coming up. And I'm gonna be in Norwalk, Connecticut. I. I got Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut. I'm gonna be at Maine. I'm going to Portland, Maine. West Hampton Beach. Jordana, you should come to the show. We're gonna get you the show.

[Jordana Abraham]

I want to. Yes. It's fourth of July weekend, you said, right?

[Jared Freed]

That's right. Maybe I might be asking you for a place to stay. Me, Charlie, Lucy, if they need a. A sitter or a dog sitter for Ronnie, please stay.

[Jordana Abraham]

I would.

[Jared Freed]

Okay, maybe I'll. I'll come stay with you guys and Mike. The whole all of us will be like Amanda. We'll all lay in the bed together, judge every. And Emily, we'll get. Get her involved too. Yes.

[Jordana Abraham]

I want it Willy Wonka style.

[Jared Freed]

We'll wonk it up. So. And the book. I got a book coming out walking Red flag. We're discussing a book tour right now. The book. I, I'll show it on camera.

[Jordana Abraham]

I forgot to take mine last week. I'm so annoyed.

[Jared Freed]

You gotta get it. Listen, the people are talking. It just got its first review.

[Jordana Abraham]

I know. I heard you. You told us last week.

[Jared Freed]

Oh, I told you last.

[Jordana Abraham]

Glowing reviews.

[Jared Freed]

Glowing.

[Jordana Abraham]

Critically acclaimed.

[Jared Freed]

I'm going to tape the audiobook after this. I, I. You know, the job never ends for your dear old uncle J. Trey, you wrote the book.

[Jordana Abraham]

Now you have to read it out loud.

[Jared Freed]

Hey. Horrific. So what's going on with you? Over sharing. I love listening.

[Jordana Abraham]

Over sharing. Check it out. Yeah, that's. I haven't taken on too many new projects given the current state of my household, but over sharing still out every Tuesday, Monday if you're a subscriber.

[Jared Freed]

Well, here's a new project. Get that guest room ready. I'm coming on the 4th of July. West Hampton Beach.

[Jordana Abraham]

I'm getting for the. For the man who is. Who could live stream my house into. You know, a critically panned is panned.

[Jared Freed]

No bad Bad, I think panned bad.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes.

[Jared Freed]

That movie got panned. Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

Well, yes. I'm gonna need to make everything look perfect because I know, I know you're gonna give an in depth review.

[Jared Freed]

I love taking a tour and judging. I look, when I look at a room, I go, okay. That's all I say. When the person. And here's the guest bedroom.

[Jordana Abraham]

Huh?

[Jared Freed]

That's me taking a tour.

[Jordana Abraham]

You should bring a notepad.

[Jared Freed]

No,

[Jordana Abraham]

like you're doing an inspection.

[Jared Freed]

So this is the guest bedroom. And then you just hear a pencil writing. Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. And I will make sure the pool is. Is open by then.

[Jared Freed]

It better be. Oh, my God. If that bull ain't open, I'm never

[Jordana Abraham]

gonna hear the end of it.

[Jared Freed]

Get ready to. Get ready to hear from me. Let me ask you one last question about the West Sierra Amanda situation. You hook up with a guy who kind of played it aloof, as you say it. If they were in a relationship, had a real breakup, and then it's two years, three years later, and Amanda and him hook up. Is that as big a crime as their. Your former situationship, hooking up with a friend of yours?

[Jordana Abraham]

In a way, I actually think it's

[Jared Freed]

worse to hook up with a former situationship.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. Because if it was a real breakup, there's an element. You really dated. There's an element of mutualness to any breakup in terms of, like, it's not working. We gave it a try and it's not working. Right. And so there's a personality mismatch. It really just like, they're not the person for me. And both people kind of have to come to that point usually. I think with the situationship thing, it's like this person. It felt like this person's like, I actively was like, hurt. I think it would be like, just more upsetting. It'd be more like, oh, you didn't choose me, but you chose my friend. And also, like, you know how much this person, like, hurt me or you know how much this person affects me. And she talks about it quite often on the show about how she's affected by what happened between the two of them. And you decided to still. To still do it, knowing that that would be, like, pretty painful. I think there's an element. You could have some breakups where, like, there's an element of not the person for me.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

And I don't. I think this is almost more. Because sometimes you're hurt more by these situationships because. Because it didn't have a label.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. I guess there's more of an open wound. So if she did hook up with west, that is meaner from her and also from West. Like they're both at fault. Like, I think he get a lot of times men get away with this stuff because it becomes, you know, the women arguing about this and the guy kind of like sneaks away and is like now hooking up with another one of their friends and like you're like, what? How did he do that? You know?

[Jordana Abraham]

No, I mean, if true, he stinks too, for sure. May potentially more. I don't know.

[Jared Freed]

But he's, he's who we always knew he was. You know, like there's the old Dennis Allen who was the coach of the. Dennis Allen coached the Arizona Cardinals football team and they lost a famous game and he did this press conference and he goes, they are who they we thought they were. They are who we thought they were. I, I just wanted to get your your perspective on it and I do think it matters for the dating world.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

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[Jordana Abraham]

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[Jared Freed]

new and different, sponsored by season three of Euphoria on HBO Max. We wanted to do something big for their big comeback. It's been five years since the events of season two, and the stakes have never been higher. So it got us thinking. We hear a lot of stories on the show from people in messy, complex, and surprising situations, but we don't always get a followup. Like any good cliffhanger, it's hard not to wonder what happened next. So this segment is called what are you up to? We asked on Instagram who you'd want to hear from, and the people requested a Veronica update. Veronica Stern, thank you for coming back on the show. How are you? Good to see you.

[Veronica Stern]

I'm so good. Thank you guys for having me.

[Jared Freed]

People don't remember. We went to your apartment.

[Jordana Abraham]

We went to your apartment. We asked you a million questions about your dating life. This was back in. I think it was September, like about six months ago, right?

[Jared Freed]

I remember it was like September. It was like the. It was the time of year I envied you the most being a young woman moving to New York City. Why? My life is horrible. Let me tell you everything. Well, you were young woman moving to an apartment.

[Veronica Stern]

I was, yeah.

[Jared Freed]

Not anymore.

[Jordana Abraham]

You are. I'm old now.

[Jared Freed]

Cat lady now.

[Veronica Stern]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

No, but you. At the time, you were going to this apartment where it was going to be, and you met the downstairs, downstairs neighbors. There were guys, there were girls there. Were you guys, like, in the cool neighborhood. You're in Brooklyn. And I was like, football season is happening. It's cooling down. It's not like a sweat box in the city.

[Jordana Abraham]

What a time to be young. And, you know, in Brooklyn, this.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. This is where all the stories come from. This is girls, this is, you know, this is Lena Dunham. You know, like, this is great.

[Veronica Stern]

Am I Lena Dunham? I feel like I'm more like Marnie.

[Jared Freed]

Okay. This is Mar.

[Veronica Stern]

I'm Marnie.

[Jared Freed]

I'll give you. So, Marnie, tell us about what's going on. How's the apartment?

[Jordana Abraham]

Still very clean.

[Veronica Stern]

It's still super clean. It's good. I might have to move soon, which is so disappointing.

[Jared Freed]

But what happened?

[Veronica Stern]

Everybody's just going their separate ways, and I'm kind of on the fence about staying.

[Jordana Abraham]

The end of an era.

[Jared Freed]

We'll remember all the Brooklyn we had together.

[Veronica Stern]

Yes.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

Our roommate.

[Veronica Stern]

Okay.

[Jared Freed]

Who's a little sassy. She told you how it was, introduced you to the downstairs neighbors, right?

[Veronica Stern]

Yeah, that was it. Really?

[Jared Freed]

Okay.

[Veronica Stern]

No, but, yeah, So I might have to move. Don't really want to. We'll see. But the biggest update is that I'm in a relationship.

[Jordana Abraham]

Wow.

[Jared Freed]

Bring the relationship. We go.

[Jordana Abraham]

Tell us everything. How did you meet? When did you meet? Did. Did you take our advice? Is that what helped?

[Veronica Stern]

So I am back together with an ex.

[Jared Freed]

Okay. Okay. Ring the X bell.

[Jordana's Mom]

Ring it.

[Jared Freed]

There we go. Oh, okay. Well, no, listen, I am too.

[Jordana Abraham]

Okay.

[Jared Freed]

I am as well.

[Jordana Abraham]

Okay. I feel very left out. I want to be back together.

[Jared Freed]

Come on, call up your ex.

[Jordana Abraham]

Let's go.

[Jared Freed]

Hey, I got two kids now. You want in?

[Veronica Stern]

You want in now? Come on.

[Jordana Abraham]

Got a lot of bag. I got a lot of baggage now.

[Jared Freed]

So what. What happened was the ex. Someone that you were. That was who you were dating on tour.

[Veronica Stern]

So, yeah, so this is the one that I met when I was in Toronto. So this is Toronto, man. We can call him.

[Jared Freed]

Okay. The tm.

[Veronica Stern]

The TM trademark.

[Jared Freed]

There it is.

[Veronica Stern]

And so, yeah, we had broken up in February of last year, and we had been doing, like, long distance before that. And what happened is he, like, reached out to me one day randomly when I was on my way to French class because I was trying to like stay educated and stuff.

[Jared Freed]

Look at you.

[Veronica Stern]

And I was like, I was like stopped in my tracks. I was like, you know, like. Because I wanted to hear from him and like literally exactly. We, we anyways. And so I was. He was like, hey, we haven't chatted in a while. Like do you want to have a chat tonight? And I was like, I'd love that actually. And then we talked on the phone for like four hours. Yeah, four.

[Jordana Abraham]

Wow.

[Jared Freed]

So we caught up.

[Veronica Stern]

We caught up.

[Jordana Abraham]

And remind me why you broke up.

[Veronica Stern]

We broke up because of the distance, honestly. And also I was sort of at a time in my life where I was like, I hadn't moved yet out of my parents house. I had this great job here and I was just sort of like in this really weird transitional phase and I wasn't sure how I was feeling about like starting and stopping my life. Every time I would visit him or go there, he came here. So I was just. It just like didn't feel like the right time.

[Jared Freed]

I think that's a mature reason to end something. Hey, I have this new life I'm moving towards.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

New apartment. And also I'm not looking to, you

[Jordana Abraham]

know, settle down at what. It was probably 23 at the time.

[Veronica Stern]

Yeah, right. Yeah, 25. 24.

[Jared Freed]

So. Okay, so you moved in the new place.

[Veronica Stern]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

You got there. Did you meet the downstairs neighbors?

[Veronica Stern]

We have, we have interacted a few times. We never ended up having that party.

[Jordana Abraham]

No, no.

[Veronica Stern]

We could not get our act together. Guys, listen, you had a great space. The backyard is so overgrown with weeds. We had talked to the boys about it. We were like, hey, like when are we gonna fix this? They were like, yeah, sure, like we can all go back here and like do a weed whacker. And I was like, first of all, we. That sounds like a boy job. Sorry. Like I'm sorry. I'm not going back there with a weed whacker.

[Jordana Abraham]

Are you crazy?

[Jared Freed]

Excuse me, Gen Z. Holy. Okay, boy job. I.

[Veronica Stern]

It is.

[Jared Freed]

Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

Also, more importantly, it's in their apartment.

[Veronica Stern]

Exactly.

[Jordana Abraham]

Their apartment space.

[Jared Freed]

I just.

[Jordana Abraham]

We're going to clean all of our bedrooms.

[Jared Freed]

I'm more, I'm more laughing at these. The idea of these 25 year old men going and doing some light gardening on a place they're renting, well, never gonna happen.

[Jordana Abraham]

They want to have some girls over though.

[Jared Freed]

They're in their mind. They're like, we'll find the girls out there without the hoe.

[Veronica Stern]

Right?

[Jared Freed]

We'll find the hoes without the hoe. So we want to hear about the relationship.

[Veronica Stern]

Yes.

[Jared Freed]

Anyways, it's long distance.

[Veronica Stern]

Yes.

[Jared Freed]

You had this four hour call and what's the first move after the four hour call? Like, how do we start this up?

[Veronica Stern]

So basically we were just like, we miss one another. We're trying to date around. It's not the same. And why don't we, why are we like torturing ourselves if we just want to be with one another? And I was like, okay, but how are things going to be different this time? Like, I feel like last time, what bogged us down was always feeling like, well, who's going to move and when are we going to do it? And you know, all these things that we're so early in our relationship, I just don't know if we need to focus on that. And so I was just like, what can be different this time? Can we like not focus on that as much? Can we just like enjoy like going back and forth and like spending time with each other and is that better than not being together? And we both agreed that like we'd rather do that than not be together.

[Jordana Abraham]

I love that.

[Jared Freed]

That's nice. I mean, he's working in Toronto.

[Veronica Stern]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

And you're working here, obviously. So like, listen, jobs, we're working, we have friends.

[Jordana Abraham]

And I always say you can get back together with an ex if the thing. If you actually look at the thing that broke you up and you change it because sometimes people just get back together because they're like a little lonely and they kind of just do the same thing. But I think if you go back and you think about what wasn't working then and you fix it, it works.

[Jared Freed]

So the change, I guess for this relationship would be we're not going to think about who's moving.

[Veronica Stern]

Yeah. Essentially. And we're also just not going to put that pressure on ourselves because I feel like right now we're in a space where we're focusing on our careers. And I always say this to people, but I do truly believe it. Like, I think that this is almost the perfect scenario for me because I am so career focused and like self focused that it's nice to not sometimes have him here. Because I feel like if he was, that would be like my whole focus.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Veronica Stern]

And almost having this separation like lets us like focus on developing our young careers. But like at the end of the day we still know like we have each other and I don't know, you feel safe. Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

Relationship. So you can like go and explore and try new things.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, I guess everything's pros. And cons. If I. Not to bring up a con, but the pro is perfectly. Well, I'm sorry, It's perfect. Nothing's gonna go wrong. You're gonna be together forever.

[Jordana Abraham]

The per.

[Jared Freed]

The pro is that while you're here working on your career, you don't have to keep them in mind. They're not your responsibility. You know, there's no, like, oh, there's a work dinner tonight, and you're gonna be like, but what about Brandon? You know, like, there's none of that. Yeah, but the con is that you're getting together for weekends, and it's a little bit of la la land. It's a little bit of a vacation every time you get together. And that's something that you can keep in mind and go, okay, this isn't totally real when we get together because we're having this fun time that's, you know, a 36 hour, you know, episode of our lives that, you know, we're not really seeing what it's like to wake up in the morning and have to go, well, I need the bathroom now because I have to be in to work, you know, but you'll get to that.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Veronica Stern]

And honestly, I cry every single time we say goodbye. Like, it's so sad. And I'm like, why? Why are we putting ourselves through this? And then I'm reminded, like, okay, well, the alternative is not being together. And like, that sucked. So.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right, right. And did he see your. You up for more?

[Veronica Stern]

He did.

[Jared Freed]

What do you think?

[Veronica Stern]

So it actually, like, came out when we were still, like, talking about maybe getting together. And so we watched it together and I was like, oh, maybe we'll just skip through this part. And he's like, no, let it play. I want to see it. And he thought it was funny. And now we kind of have a running bit. Anytime he comes to my apartment, he'll, like, stand in front of the downstairs neighbor door and be like, yeah, she's my girlfriend, by the way, not yours.

[Jared Freed]

I love it.

[Jordana Abraham]

I love it.

[Veronica Stern]

So it's kind of funny.

[Jordana Abraham]

That's great.

[Jared Freed]

Running bit now. So you came on to give us the update. We got it. The tips and tricks that Jordana gave, you know, Jordan and I gave to you worked, obviously. But you had a question for us.

[Veronica Stern]

My question is, how do you manage the outside noise when it comes to long distance relationships? Because a lot of people will be like, well, when are you going to close the distance? Or are you moving to Toronto? Like, I just find that that is all just this noise that is really hard to deal with sometimes. So I'm wondering if you have any advice on, like, how to deal with that.

[Jordana Abraham]

I think you need to have, like, a canned answer that you are happy with. And, like, that you can say to anyone who asks. And for you, I would say something along the lines of, whatever, what we're doing now is really working out really well for us. When it doesn't, we'll figure that out.

[Jared Freed]

Right. It's funny that you're getting those questions.

[Veronica Stern]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

Because I'm like, who's this annoying friend that is being the worst?

[Jordana Abraham]

She's like, it's my mom.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Veronica Stern]

It's a little bit of everything.

[Jared Freed]

Like, who are these people that are.

[Veronica Stern]

It's a little bit of everything.

[Jared Freed]

I would say sometimes it helps me to rationalize why someone would ask me that question. And I would say, everyone notices. Nobody cares. So everyone notices that you and your boyfriend are distance and notices that, hey, that's pretty difficult. Notices that one will have to make a move and one will have to, you know, sacrifice or maybe not or whatever it is. Everyone's noticing that, but no one cares. You know, Like, I think the. They just care if they're a friend of yours family, that they're happy, which. So they care about that. But I'm not saying no one cares about you generally, but when people ask those questions is because they're trying to fill the air.

[Veronica Stern]

Interesting.

[Jared Freed]

Like, I think that is just. To me, that's a more personalized version of the weather and the sports teams and the local news. Like, when someone says to you, so when are you guys going to move in together? That is them getting to the next topic and filling what would have been silence.

[Veronica Stern]

Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. And because she doesn't want to, like, really talk about that because she's fine with it and she doesn't want to, like, get into that. I think the having that response usually tells people, I'd like to move on to the next topic.

[Jared Freed]

Right. The canned one. That's why it's a great piece of advice. Like, yep, we're having fun. We're not really worried about that right now. We'll get to that bridge when we cross it. Like, once you have that answer now, you've dealt with their insecurities about silence in the room or having nothing to talk about with you. And maybe you can move on to fun subjects like that person across the room who's wearing that, like, ugly jean, you know? So, like, that's where the fun of friendship comes in. Trashing someone else totally. But to get there, I think, because anytime someone asks me a question like that, like, so when are you two going to do this next thing? I'm always like, they don't give a right. Like, I'm not gonna like move and then call that random woman I saw at the party.

[Jordana Abraham]

It happened, right?

[Veronica Stern]

It happened, right?

[Jared Freed]

So I, I think it's like sometimes that helps me to know that, that to me, if I was like watching the conversation, I'd be like, Veronica, they don't give a. Just answer and move on, you know, Like, I, I. So I hope that helps.

[Veronica Stern]

It definitely did. I feel like I, I can move forward and for the next like six months or so with that and then we'll, we'll maybe touch base again in the fall. Maybe.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, give us an update.

[Jared Freed]

We want many updates.

[Jordana Abraham]

We don't really care, but we would like an update.

[Jared Freed]

Right?

[Jordana Abraham]

We gotta, right.

[Jared Freed]

We gotta fill the space of this podcast.

[Jordana Abraham]

We do care, you know, we're different than your annoying friends. We have a dating and relationship.

[Veronica Stern]

Yes. No, this is super helpful and I like being able to come here and talk about it because it's a good

[Jared Freed]

space to do so and we love having you on.

[Jordana Abraham]

So.

[Jared Freed]

Thanks again to HBO Max for sponsoring this segment. Euphoria is back for season three. Five years later, the characters you know are navigating power, faith and ambition in the real world. It's bold, visceral, and genuinely unlike anything else on TV right now. Don't miss the third season of Euphoria, starring two time Emmy winner Zendaya, premiering April 12 on HBO and HBO Max, with new episodes every Sunday. Now back to us at home in our comfy cozies.

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[Jared Freed]

Okay, welcome back to us at home and together virtually. Let's do a Petty or Prudent. You ready?

[Jordana Abraham]

Jordana J and Jay love the pod Writing in with a pettier prudent from a few years back. My boyfriend and I had broken up right before my family vacation. Beware of vacations they wrote. Yeah, because they know what you say.

[Jared Freed]

That's right. Walking Red Flag has more warnings like that on pre order now.

[Jordana Abraham]

I cannot wait to read it. When I returned I noticed all of his workout equipment that he set up in my backyard was gone. I lived in a walk up at the time, so to access the backyard you had to unlock the front door and walk through the hallways of the building. I had a lock box that he knew the code to outside at the front door, so he obviously used that since he didn't have to key himself. What was off putting to me is he didn't even shoot me a text that he would be going to pick up his things. He just took it upon himself to use the lockbox and enter my apartment. I understand wanting to get his stuff without having to see me. We didn't end on the best of terms, but at the time it annoyed me that he entered my apartment without letting me know. All he had to do was shoot me a text. So what do you think? Petty or prudent? Your ex enters your apartment to get his stuff back without letting you know.

[Jared Freed]

I like this Petty or prudent because it's actually pretty layered. I I don't know what you think, but when I was reading this and realistic. It's very realistic. Hey, we broke up. I got some stuff at your house. I know where you keep the key. I'm going to go get rid of that stuff and it does feel like there's a prudency to it. Is that even a word? The the act of getting my stuff out of there while you're gone? Pruded, yes. But I don't think anyone amongst us enjoys having someone be in your home and finding out later that they were rumaging around your home, I. I would feel uncomfortable. How do you feel about that? Like, no text.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. I think there's a few specifics in this incident which make it a little bit more nuanced. Like the fact that it's outside. He really just had to walk through to get to outside. Right. If he's taking from, like, her drawers. Yeah, that's a little bit more messed up. I think the fact that it was all outside and sort of not, like, her personal belongings, I think that's important to make it a little bit less

[Jared Freed]

petty than otherwise and a little less, like, weird. But I think she did. Did she write he has to walk through the house?

[Jordana Abraham]

Is it the hallway of. She. She lives in? A walk up. Right.

[Jared Freed]

To access the backyard, you had to unlock the front door, walk through the hallways of the building.

[Jordana Abraham]

Of the building. Not her apartment, though.

[Jared Freed]

I had a lock.

[Jordana Abraham]

To me, that's different.

[Jared Freed]

Right. I think you're right. Because to me, there's the layered part of this, is that he. Because she says they ended on bad terms, we didn't end on the best of terms. And so honestly, he didn't even respect her emotional state enough to be okay with his prudent decision.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. That she would almost be, like, yelling at him.

[Jared Freed]

Right. He was like, because I'm trying to put myself inside the mind of a murderer. When he did this, he's like, I don't want to talk to this person because any form of communication turns into a bad day for me. So let me go get my stuff, which I have to get anyways. I know she's gone. And also I'm not gonna, like, you know, poke at the beast, Which I think that's prudent for him. But also he finds her so petty that it's almost petty of him to avoid her. Do you know what I mean?

[Veronica Stern]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Well, that's one of those situations where it's like, do it. Which. Which point? Pick your poison. Do I want to be her to be, like, annoyed that I'm asking her to go get my stuff, or do I want her to be annoyed that I didn't text her to go ask to get my stuff?

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

So I think in his mind, she's going to be annoyed either way. And in one way, he, like, doesn't have to deal with her. I think another thing that's important in this context, too, is, like, during their relationship, did he often, like, take the key and go. Go in. How. How soon after the breakup was it? I think if it was like, three Months after the breakup. That's a little weird. If it was like, within a week, I think that's less, less weird. Like, I, I've gone. I've. I've gone in this, this thing a million times. I'm going in one last time to get my stuff.

[Jared Freed]

Well, I mean, you, you bring up the best point. Time does matter. Three months later. It's petty. It's like you've already gotten used to the living space with the workout stuff involved in it. You, even if you don't use the workout stuff, you have changed how you walk through the house based on where it landed on the. The grounds. So, like, yes, now you have to get used to this new way of walking through the house or the backyard because they decided it was time for them to just take their stuff under the COVID of night. She does write that they broke up before the family vacation and when she returned from the family vacation. So he did this as prudently as you could, time wise.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. And to be honest, if it were me and I were in his shoes and there was something outside of the guy I was dating's apartment and it ended badly. Again, she says it ended badly. I don't know how badly it ended. I don't know what happened. And it was like within a week of the breakup, I think I might just go get it. Especially if I didn't go into their apartment. I think if she, if he went into the. When, even if he had to walk through the apartment to get to the outside, I would say I would more likely to say something. Walking through the building, a communal building space, doesn't seem that invasive. But really the only invasive thing is that he used her key.

[Jared Freed]

Right? No, you're right. Because I. I just know that I would feel if I had broken up with someone, then I, like, went to their place, knowing they were gone to go get my stuff, it would feel like I was doing a Ocean's Eleven, you know, heist. Like, because what if someone saw me there and they thought I was being like. That's the other thing. Like, if she got a call from a friend being like, hey, I was at your place and I saw, you know, Ronald going through all your stuff in the back. I didn't. You guys break up. Like, that would. There's risk of that.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

So it is almost petty because you're willing to risk making her day even worse than it would have to be.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. I'm trying to think, like, would she. It's petty, but it's not petty's Just

[Jared Freed]

not the right word for this. I think it's. It's annoying.

[Jordana Abraham]

It's like a little bit of. It's a little bit cowardly almost, I would say, right.

[Jared Freed]

Hey, send a text. He could have sent a text that was like, hey, I know you're away. You don't have to answer this. I'm gonna go get my stuff. I know where the key is. Good luck with everything. You know, he could have sent a text that didn't need a response too, right? Petty. I'm. I'm on team Petty because of how weird I'd feel if I were him. I'd feel weird. I would be. When you're sneaking, you're being petty.

[Jordana Abraham]

Okay, well, so in your scenario, you break up with your girlfriend. She left her.

[Jared Freed]

I don't know.

[Jordana Abraham]

She left her water wings in your. In your cabana. She lives.

[Jared Freed]

She walked down, turns me into this monster.

[Jordana Abraham]

She left her pool floats in your.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

Swim cap. She left her swim cap there.

[Jared Freed]

Okay. She goes for laps every morning and she left.

[Jordana Abraham]

You go on the road. Yeah. You go on the road, and then you come back and the swim cap and water wings are gone. Do you. Are you annoyed she didn't text you?

[Jared Freed]

I come outside to the pool. My neighbors are like, what's wrong? And I'm like, my girlfriend took her water wings. I, I, I just don't know what to do. And they're like, well, how old was she? You know, like this.

[Jordana Abraham]

You took it there, not me.

[Jared Freed]

Right. I. Damn it. Jordana's move.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

All right. Yeah. I guess in that scenario, I'd be relieved.

[Jordana Abraham]

That's what I'm saying. I think, like, depending.

[Jared Freed]

Right. So it is prudent.

[Jordana Abraham]

I think it's a tough one. Let us know in the comments what

[Jared Freed]

you think it is if you're dumped. It's different than if you have dumped.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes.

[Jared Freed]

Like, if I ended it with my girlfriend and then she came and got rid of this stuff quietly. Thank you. What? Maybe I should date her again. She seems so awesome.

[Jordana Abraham]

You know, like saying the context matters why the breakup happened.

[Jared Freed]

Right. And. And she avoided a way that I could because I actually think this is now. Now I've switched. It's Petty of the emailer. She's mad that she lost an opportunity to be annoying to her ex.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. Because that's why he didn't text her.

[Jared Freed]

Right. So she's petty.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, I. That's what I'm saying. I think it Right.

[Jared Freed]

If. If all my. If all my girlfriend's pool toys were. Were Taken from my pool cabana.

[Jordana Abraham]

She didn't go into your apartment? I think she didn't go to my apartment.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

That's different.

[Jared Freed]

Right? For those at home that don't know. Yes. I have a pool cabana here in Delray where hypothetically, she could let herself.

[Jordana Abraham]

Scenario. Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

We Del Rey. This. This whole scenario.

[Jordana Abraham]

I thought of it because you said your mom, like, we'll do that. Right? Like, we'll go in.

[Jared Freed]

My mom. So she knows that there's a key. And we'll go in. I. I mean, to my apartment. And she's done this in the past, but not to the point where I've ever been annoyed by it. I don't know. I. I kind of have this, like, I don't have that. Do you have that with your living space? Like, if someone, like, messes with your living space, what would annoy you?

[Jordana Abraham]

I do. That would annoy me. Because, you know, I. I think it strikes a chord more with me because I had so many sisters growing up that we were always in each other's.

[Jared Freed]

Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

And it was very much like, that's my top.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

You didn't even ask. And it'd be like, you're wearing it right now, and it's like, you had to go through. And sometimes my sisters would be like, it's not my fault. Like, it was just like, in my laundry, someone put it back in my room. Like, the housekeeper did the laundry, and she put it back in my room. And I'm. I'd be like, well, you knew, like, right.

[Jared Freed]

I wish I was there. I would love it.

[Jordana Abraham]

Doesn't make it yours.

[Jared Freed]

Right? I would love to be the. The referee for eight children living together. Like, I would love that job fight. Really?

[Jordana Abraham]

Not in the same way. No.

[Jared Freed]

I. Praying every day I don't have girls. Okay, so let's. Let's do another Lucy and Charlie. They're going to be sharing clothes.

[Jordana Abraham]

I know that. I'm. I'm. I'm very aware of that. I'm trying to, like, mitigate. I'm trying to make them good shares and be a good mediator.

[Jared Freed]

See, it's funny. There's, like, this brand of dude that finds out that, like, a guy has girls, and they're like, whoa, that sucks, man. You're gonna have to meet her boyfriends. That doesn't even cross my mind. I think that dude is an idiot.

[Jordana's Mom]

The.

[Jordana Abraham]

Well, that guy's showing you that. What it. What a douchebag boyfriend. He was right.

[Jared Freed]

That's right.

[Jordana Abraham]

She's gonna have to meet Someone like me, right?

[Jared Freed]

So I. I like when a guy has three girls, people react, like, in the most unhealthy way. But I would be more like, oh, my God. The. The. The mental warfare that would go on in the house that I was beneath would really stress me out. Like, Mike has no chance.

[Jordana Abraham]

He doesn't know. He doesn't know because he didn't have any sisters. So he's gonna find out.

[Jared Freed]

He has no idea. Like, the argument about a shirt that has nothing to do with the shirt. Like, oh, Mike, dude, it's crazy.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, I'll have him write in.

[Jared Freed]

I don't know how much of a douche that makes me, but maybe that's because I've done Pettier Prudence for eight years here on the show

[Jordana Abraham]

K Pop Demon Hunters, Haja Boy's Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi?

[Veronica Stern]

It's not a battle.

[Jordana Abraham]

So glad the Saja boys could take

[Veronica Stern]

breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Jared Freed]

It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor. It is our larger honor.

[Jordana Abraham]

No, really, stop. You can really, really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side

[Jared Freed]

and participate in McDonald's while supplies last.

[Veronica Stern]

Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla smooth caramel, maybe? Or a white chocolate mocha?

[Jordana Abraham]

Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits.

[Veronica Stern]

Find Starbucks Frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries.

[Jared Freed]

All right, let's do an email. Dear J and J. Longtime listener, lover of all things Betches, thanks for all that you do. I'd love your advice on something that's bothered me since my husband. Husband, 38, male, and I, 34, female, got married six and a half years ago. He almost never wears his wedding ring. I'm confident it's not about cheating or wanting to seem single. He works from home and says he's just never worn jewelry, so the. So the ring feels uncomfortable to me. Our rings are really meaningful. They're a symbol of our love and commitment, not just to others, but to ourselves. It makes me sad that he doesn't wear one. Before we got married, I told him how much they meant to me, and he suggested we get wedding ring tattoos instead, which I love, loved. But six years in, we still haven't done it. I bring it up occasionally and he brushes it off. I don't think it's happening. I'd Never pressure.

[Jordana Abraham]

It's not happening.

[Jared Freed]

I bring it up occasionally, but he brushes it off. I don't think it's happening. No. Yeah. I think we can assure you I never pressure him to do something with his body, but since it was his idea, it feels like a letdown, and I can't quite let it go. It's not constant, but it comes up enough that I wish things were different. So what do you think? How can I respect his wishes while also honoring my feelings about having a shared symbol of our marriage? Am I putting too much weight on the ring? Is he an outlier, or do others feel this way too? Many thanks. And I thought I put a ring on it. Batch. What do you think, Jordana?

[Jordana Abraham]

I'm trying to put myself in her position.

[Jared Freed]

Does Mike wear his wedding ring? Does Mike wears ring?

[Jordana Abraham]

He does. He doesn't. He just. He hasn't really taken off because he loves me more than this person's husband.

[Jared Freed]

No, of course.

[Jordana Abraham]

Just.

[Jared Freed]

I'm just saying this unlovable woman, you know, can't really relate to you.

[Jordana Abraham]

No. I mean, I don't really think about it that much because he always wears it, but I do think if he didn't want to wear it, I think it would annoy me if he didn't want to wear it, or it would seem weird if he never wore it. Not even. Okay. I could see him not wanting to wear it around the house, but, like, when he goes out, I'd want him to wear it. I think I kind of agree if it's kind of like, it's almost less about the ring and more like, I'm proud of this situation that we're in, and I, like, want to show off the situation that we're in, and you kind of. It feels like you want to hide it. And then he said the tattoo thing sort of is an empty gesture to see. Like, to be like, oh, it's just about the discomfort. But I find the fact that he's kind of brushing that off also a little annoying.

[Jared Freed]

Right. It's kind of a lesson for life. Like, if he had said, I just don't like wearing jewelry, I think it might be better the. The fact that he. She writes, he almost never wears his wedding ring. It's not. He's.

[Jordana Abraham]

He's splitting word on the wedding day.

[Jared Freed]

Right. I don't know when he. Did he wear it only on the wedding day? I don't know. I don't know what version he's doing. But, like, it's not like she said, he never Wear. He doesn't wear a ring, has no plans to. You know, I, I like when we do an email that I can relate to in a different way than maybe the, the listenership would think. I am the son of a, of a father who doesn't. Who never wore a wedding ring ever, ever, never wore one. I don't know, I didn't even ask. These are again, this is like an all boys family thing where we don't ask any questions of our parents that are in any way romantic or touching. Like I've learned from like Harry, my brother, that like my brother, my brother's wife Ruthie will ask my parents question and I'm like, why would you ask that? What? Like I.

[Jordana Abraham]

So funny. I had the same situation with Mike's parents, didn't you?

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

The first time I met them, they were like, wow, she's really giving us an interview. Like no one's ever asked us where we met.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

I would never like, who is this nosy?

[Jared Freed]

Right? So true. I mean Emily was asking me questions about my parents. I was like, it was like I barely even knew them. I was like, I don't know. You know, I don't know why I kid you not.

[Jordana Abraham]

A long running true joke that I have with Mike is that he doesn't know his grandparents are dead, but he doesn't know their first names or

[Jared Freed]

what's their faces. Just their nana and papa. Yeah, they're just grandpa.

[Jordana Abraham]

I mean they died when he was like younger but it was, I was, I'm just like, are you a, Is this a paid family? Like how do you. No one knows anything about each other. Sorry, go on.

[Jared Freed]

But, but this is where like I've never really asked my parents how they felt about not wearing a wedding ring. Like I've, I maybe in passing.

[Jordana Abraham]

Does your mom wear one?

[Jared Freed]

I think she wears every ring she can. You know, Like, I think she's, you know, she's like I need an eight and a half year ring. You know, like I. Whatever you, whatever version of like you get a diamond for stupid, you know, like, you know, stupid milestones, whatever anniversary, right. So. But I don't know, she's not. But here's the thing. It's like one of those things that like, because it was never brought up, it was never like my, it never felt like my dad was like out running the law from wearing his ring. Do you know what I mean? Like, because it didn't exist as an option. It never felt like he was turning down an option.

[Jordana Abraham]

And well, your parents were Married a lot before you were born. So, like, maybe they had that discussion. Maybe it did annoy her at first, and then whatever explanation he gave was sufficient. Or maybe it never. Maybe she never even cared.

[Jared Freed]

Should I call my mom right now on air and see if she has.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes.

[Jared Freed]

An explanation? She'll pick up in half a ring. Let's see.

[Jordana Abraham]

Can you put her on speaker?

[Jordana's Mom]

Hi.

[Jared Freed]

Hi. You're on the podcast. Okay, I am, yeah. For two.

[Jordana Abraham]

Hi.

[Jared Freed]

I just have a. I have a. I have a personal question. Jordana says hello.

[Jordana's Mom]

Jordan. Jordana. Hi, honey. How does it feel to be a mama?

[Jared Freed]

You're a mama.

[Jordana Abraham]

It feels great. I love getting. Getting your messages.

[Jared Freed]

She doesn't like being called the mama. She's not. She's anti mama.

[Jordana's Mom]

Okay. Mother.

[Jared Freed]

Mother.

[Jordana Abraham]

Mother. Wow.

[Jared Freed]

Wait.

[Jordana's Mom]

Yes. I'm on the podcast. You want to meet my girlfriends, too? They're all here.

[Jared Freed]

All your girlfriends are there? Well, no. This is not the time for us to have. Be passed around. Okay, we have a listener whose husband doesn't wear a wedding ring. Did you feel any. Did you ever talk to dad about not wearing a wedding ring?

[Jordana's Mom]

Yes, I wanted him to, and he never wanted to wear a wedding ring.

[Jared Freed]

And what did you say? Was it a fight?

[Jordana's Mom]

What did I say? I didn't really make a stink about it because it really wasn't that important because he doesn't wear a watch. And when he wears a watch, he's so awkward that he twists his. His wrists all the time. That. That was enough. I just said, you know, leave it alone.

[Jared Freed]

Obviously, he's not comfortable, so why do it?

[Jordana's Mom]

That's easy.

[Jared Freed]

Okay, so if you fight the big fights, that one was easy. Why make a stink?

[Jordana's Mom]

That wasn't gonna go anywhere.

[Jared Freed]

Is it weird that I never asked you about this? No, it was never a thing.

[Jordana's Mom]

Men either like to wear a wedding band or they don't.

[Jared Freed]

Did he ever give a reason? He just doesn't like to wear jewelry.

[Jordana's Mom]

He doesn't like to wear jewelry?

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. All right.

[Jordana's Mom]

So that was it. That was the question.

[Jared Freed]

Now go around the table and ask each of the women if their husbands wear a wedding ring.

[Jordana's Mom]

Okay, girls, you're on Jared's podcast right now. You're gonna be on radio.

[Jared Freed]

You're gonna be on radio

[Jordana's Mom]

And Barbie.

[Jared Freed]

Hi, everyone.

[Jordana Abraham]

Now dying.

[Jared Freed]

Does any of your husbands not wear a wedding ring?

[Jordana's Mom]

Mine wears a wedding ring. Yes, they all wear it.

[Jared Freed]

They all except my dad. He's the only weirdo.

[Jordana's Mom]

Oh, he's not weird.

[Veronica Stern]

He doesn't need to.

[Jordana's Mom]

But, Jared, I've been By the mailbox all week waiting for your book.

[Jared Freed]

Oh, the book's coming. It's coming. Okay. I'll bring a few copies.

[Jordana's Mom]

I'm hungry, I'm thirsty, but I'm just sitting by the mailbox waiting.

[Jared Freed]

I'll, I'll get it to you. We'll. We'll make it, we'll get you fed. Don't worry. Okay.

[Jordana's Mom]

Any other questions?

[Jared Freed]

That's it. Have fun. Goodbye. Bye.

[Jordana Abraham]

Oh, my God. That was amazing.

[Jared Freed]

Is that, did it make it on air? Can we hear them?

[Jordana Abraham]

I could, I could hear it all.

[Jared Freed]

Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

Okay, good. That was great.

[Jared Freed]

Okay, so that's your answer. It was a thing.

[Jordana Abraham]

It wasn't. Okay, so it was a thing and sounds like she just let it go. I wonder how long it took her to let it go.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't over this fight. I, I, But I have no memory of that fight. So it was before I had a, had a thought in my brain.

[Jordana Abraham]

But I'm sure it was right when they got married because that's when you would either start wearing it or not.

[Jared Freed]

True.

[Jordana Abraham]

Not where it. So it probably was before your time or before your memory.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

That's interesting. Like, I also, I like the fact that she said he doesn't wear a watch. I think adds to his case. Well, that would be important for me. It was an important factor for her. It would be important to me too.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Well.

[Jared Freed]

And also that's a version of my mom rationalizing it for herself. Like, I, I, you know, to be totally honest, like, she's going, my mom. You could teal. You could hear like, there has to be some version of, like, I don't need this to feel loved that you have to work out on your own. Which My parents have been together, you know, over 40 years. So like, I, I think like it can work, you know, but also, I

[Jordana Abraham]

mean, so I'm saying it's not a deal breaker, but is this. I could see that almost as the, as the equivalent, as the whatever year they got the 80s equivalent of I'm not on his grid. He just like social. If he has other pictures up, that's more offensive. The fact that he doesn't wear a watch to me is he doesn't post.

[Jared Freed]

That's a good point. And, and I think like this guy bringing up, well, I'll do a tattoo or I'll do this or I'll do that. Like that's almost hurt him. Like, hey, I don't feel comfortable is like the, is the answer that it's like it's it's singular because now it's not that he doesn't feel comfortable. It's, oh, there's these other ways. Because even in her email, she says, I, I don't like the idea that she says he works from home, so I'm not worried about cheating. And it's like, well, does he ever leave? Right. Well, he doesn't get out much, so how could he ever meet another woman? Like, that's not a real good reason to feel okay about this. So, like, I would question a little bit of, like, is it an insecurity that he's not bragging about your love, or is it an insecurity that, like, you don't feel people are warded off from him?

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. Yeah. And I think to factor into how much this would irritate me would be, does he show off our relationship in other ways?

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Does he post you? Does he, you know, take you to work events or other events? Are you, like, does he seem shady in another way?

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

I think I could get over it. And I, I know that you think the watch thing is stupid, but I actually do.

[Jared Freed]

No, I don't, I don't because, like,

[Jordana Abraham]

your dad's now, how old's your dad now? 60s or 70s? Never worn a watch. It's clearly like, there's some truth to the, to the jewelry thing.

[Jared Freed]

Totally. And I wear a watch now, but I've never worn a ring. Like, I don't.

[Jordana Abraham]

Would you wear a ring?

[Jared Freed]

I don't know. I, I honestly, like, my brother wears a ring. My, and I was, and I was kind of surprised he did. Like, that's how much I have no relation to a man wearing a ring. Is that the completely normal thing is to wear a ring? And then my brother did. I was like, whoa. Really? Like, I couldn't believe it.

[Jordana Abraham]

Loser.

[Jared Freed]

Right?

[Jordana Abraham]

So whipped.

[Jared Freed]

Exactly. Yeah. I, so it's interesting. I don't know if I would, I would give it a shot, but I mean that this email is making me not want to do that. What if I give it a shot, don't like it, and then I'm, like, trying to get, get rid of it as a.

[Jordana Abraham]

You better be fiddling with that thing all day, just, like, complaining about how she has my whole. I would need to be the one to suggest you not wear it. I need to see you better, like, fake some rash something. I would need to be the, like.

[Jared Freed]

Right. It's just, it's strangling me, you know, I, I, I think for the, I think she, I, I, she says, how Do I respect his wishes while also honoring my feelings? Maybe there's another way for him to show love or. But I think if he's wearing it 50 50, I would understand her insecurity. Like, I think it's either all out or all in with a wedding ring.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. Just never take it off or never put it on.

[Jared Freed]

Right. Because then when you put it on and take it off, it's like, what makes an occasion a ring occasion, not a ring occasion. You know, that's where it gets a little weird.

[Jordana Abraham]

That's true. All right, well, good luck.

[Jared Freed]

Good luck with your failed marriage. Let's do. Let's play some. No, you guys are great. Let's play some games. Red flagger deal breaker. We. We. It's been a while, Jordana, since we've, you know, we did it last week, but we didn't really get through the full red flag deal breaker experience. Are you ready?

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. Let's get into it.

[Jared Freed]

Go for it.

[Jordana Abraham]

Dear J and Jay, thank you all for the work that goes into making my favorite podcast. I'll dive right in.

[Jared Freed]

We do it. It's hard work, but someone's got to do it.

[Jordana Abraham]

Indeed. Indeed. Okay. I'm 33, female, and started dating my boyfriend, 32, a few months ago. We met on Hinge, but actually have two sets of mutual friends. Big fail on our friends part to not set us up. Lol. And our relationship is going super well.

[Jared Freed]

Wouldn't you take that as a more like, if your friends didn't set you up, wouldn't that be more about you than the friends? Don't you. Don't you have like a look in the mirror moment? Like, hey, we were just too sing. We were the only single people. They weren't like, oh, oh, you too? Instead, they were like, oh, we don't want to deal with them. I don't know.

[Jordana Abraham]

Maybe. Is that what you would think?

[Jared Freed]

I guess so. If I was just sitting at the same table. I don't know. I'm making or it's thoughtful.

[Jordana Abraham]

They didn't think you'd be the match. And maybe they're right. Let's find out.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, let's find out.

[Jordana Abraham]

We just mesh and it's the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. I care about him very much, but there's been one thing that we haven't worked through yet. He doesn't go down on me, and that's something that I really enjoy receiving. Earlier on, when I first tried to go down on him, he halted that. When I asked him why he Said, I'm just not that into it, and I prefer the other things we do.

[Jared Freed]

Well, this guy's a crazy person. End it right now. He's not taking or giving or taking.

[Jordana Abraham]

He's not an oral guy.

[Jared Freed]

Not an oral guy.

[Jordana Abraham]

This is the first relationship I've been in where I have. I have more relationship and sexual experience than my partner, and that's been a bit of an adjustment. It. I'm thinking that he might feel uncomfortable with oral because he simply doesn't have much experience with it. This is also a man who does not watch porn. We are on the same page about how the sex we're having is very good. But I really wish he'd take the leap and try because that's how I am most likely to owe. How should I handle this? I don't want to always feel like I need to pull out my vibrator when I get back from his place. A not so vanilla batch.

[Jared Freed]

I think sometimes with these emails, it's more. Sometimes they write it and, like, our job is to tell them that they're lying to themselves for, like, at least a minute.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

She needs to stop saying that. We are on the same page about how the sex we're having is very good. Like, it's not very good. You're unhappy. You wrote into a podcast to ask two random people how to get your boyfriend to go down on you so that you don't have to pull out a wand to make yourself have an orgasm when you get home. Like, there's a problem here. You can. It can work out, but lying to yourself. Don't you think Jordana, like, the. Yeah, that's part of her problem, like, is that she's not being honest with herself.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. Well, she doesn't want to throw away what seems like a good relate. She says, the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. No, women disagree. Women's brains think of, like, what am I gonna throw away a guy who's, like, financially stable and nice and wants to commit to me for a little old thing, like, never having an orgasm again? I mean, honestly. Oh, that's. No, I'm just saying, like, I think, like, the man wouldn't have that thought, but I think many women would.

[Jared Freed]

No, I gotta be coming. I gotta be coming. I gotta be. I gotta be. I.

[Jordana Abraham]

And so does she. She. That's what she's saying. She's writing in. Some women might be, like, I could see there being, like, many women who were like, that's just not that important to me. I have Everything else I need from him, I can let that one go. I don't think men could do that or not as many men. But I do think that's like a realistic thing some people take into consideration. It sounds like it is important to her. She's writing into us.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. No, that's, that's fair. I. I would say. Yeah. I. What she should do is get the whole friend group that knows them both together and play hey everyone raise your hands if you love going down on your partner. And then everyone puts their hands to the sky and he's just sitting there sipping on his diet Coke.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. I mean if he's not even willing to. I could see maybe he's nervous, he won't do it. Right.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah. There's a.

[Jordana Abraham]

Listen bad taking and not getting. I do think there's like conversations to be had. But if he's just kind of like shutting it down, I think she needs to open the conversation in like a non judgmental like this is something that's in my sex life is very important to me. This is something that like means a lot to me. The idea. I would love it if you would at least try.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana's Mom]

And.

[Jared Freed]

And honestly she, she'd probably be turned on by the. I just him trying doing something that he's never really done before for her. Like that could be a version of a turn off. You know, I, I do think saying we. I just. The hardest thing in the world is having this conversation while also like propping up your partner like you, you. Because you're saying there's a problem here that we need to talk about. And also you might not be good at this thing and I have to now lead you through it. Like it just like I don't know. I think everyone would you want to be with a partner who is like less experienced than you that you had to like show the way.

[Jordana Abraham]

I think if they were like open minded about it like.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

I could see them being hesitant. And I think a lot of people's fears about that stuff, especially sexual stuff is like I've never done it before, I don't want to do it wrong. Or I've never. You know, there's like. I think there's a lot of feel fear of like a failure in it. And that's probably why he doesn't want to. I think he doesn't want to get receive oral sex because he's like I would feel weird like taking this and not giving it and like I just. He's probably just very uncomfortable with it. So I Think if he's, like, shutting it down and it's like, I'm not doing that. I don't want that. No discussion. I think that's one thing. If he's, like. If she's making him feel very comfortable with the idea that she could walk him through it, is he open to trying something new and he's, like, receptive. I think that's a different story, right?

[Jared Freed]

I guess. Yeah. I. I want a partner who's sexually confident and open to notes, you know, like, that's kind of the dream.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right. I mean, he doesn't sound that sexually confident. Right. But, like, you could build on that. If he's not less experienced, like, he could build on that. And I think it's almost like any other issue in a relationship. If I want my partner to, like, respond differently when I'm having a bad day or if I'm, you know, in a bad mood, if I want them to respond differently. Like, it's more about, are they open to taking the feedback for how you would like them to respond than it is what their initial. What they're doing initially.

[Jared Freed]

Right. No, I. I'm. I'm. I'm with you. Especially if you're two people at the negotiating table. Like, that's like. If you think of a relationship as a negotiation table and you're both sitting at it, that's half the battle, you know? So now we know why the friends didn't hook them up. You know, the guy won't even eat an oyster. They were like, oh, he probably doesn't go down on chicks.

[Jordana Abraham]

And we know she loves that.

[Jared Freed]

She's mowing down a hot dog. Yeah. How would you do this? How do you sit them down? I guess I'm, like, trying to think of, like, to me, this would be a deal breaker. Won't go down on me, but I'm with you. It could be a red flag. If I was like. If they were like, hey, I. I just don't feel comfortable doing that and would love to, like, talk it through with you. That would be more red flag than deal breaker.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, that's my assessment. I think if it's like, a straight shutdown of, like, I don't. I'm not doing that, and clearly it's important to her. Again, then that would be a deal breaker. If it's a, here's why I don't do it. I have XYZ fear, or I don't like this XYZ part of it, and then you can come to some sort of solution for it. I think it's just a red flag.

[Jared Freed]

I have a solution. You give him a card and you say on the front of the card, it's like, I'm gonna give you two compliments and a request. And then they flip it over. And the first compliment is, I love how you make me feel. The second is a request that says, I would love for you to lick my. And the third is a compliment. I love how you're good at taking direction. Hopefully you do that while you lick my.

[Jordana Abraham]

Okay.

[Jared Freed]

Do you think that's one way to do it? I'm trying to give ideas.

[Jordana Abraham]

Depends on the context.

[Jared Freed]

I want to help her. I just think, like, if he won't. If he couldn't laugh at that and have fun with that, I don't know how much him not watching porn I don't think is like as big of a deal as she for her to even put that in there. Like. But I guess it does something about.

[Jordana Abraham]

He's not that sexual.

[Jared Freed]

Right, Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Which again, like, I think you have to. I think there's many people who would weigh this in the larger context of the relationship, decide how important it is to them. And again, you can break up with anyone for any reason. If he's not. If he's very hesitant to even do it, is he going to be the best person you've ever encountered at it? It probably not.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

Because that usually takes a certain level of enthusiasm if that's what you're looking for. It's not this guy. If you're okay with someone trying their

[Jared Freed]

best, I get it.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes. There you go.

[Jared Freed]

I almost get too enthusiastic. I do. The. The.

[Jordana Abraham]

Now you're making her feel bad.

[Jared Freed]

I know. Sorry. I'm sorry. There are. There are some of us out there. No, I. It's a deal. Yeah. For me, deal breaker. If you can't even engage in the conversation. As long as they can engage in the conversation. Anyone? Anyone? Listen, honestly, there's no professional, you know, there's no person that's professional at oral. Like, I think everyone can get good at it for someone if they're trying, right? Yes. Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

You're willing to try.

[Jared Freed]

Oral is like playing good defense. It's like 99% hustle, you know, and enthusiasm. Right? Yes, totally. All right, let's do another one. J and J. I'm 24, currently dating a 26 year old who has this really weird belief that if you laugh when you're being tickled, it means you lack mental discipline or psychological control. This comes up when I playfully try to tickle him and he just doesn't react at all. No laughing, no nothing. When I asked how he's not ticklish anywhere, he tells me he's, quote, decided not to be ticklish anymore and can mentally disengage when someone tries. When I try not to laugh to prove a point, he tells me, maybe I just don't have that same level of mental, physical control. I have no idea if this is medically true, but it feels very wrong to me. So red flag or deal breaker? Someone you're dating has strong, weird beliefs about tickling and self control. Thanks for all you do. I like a tickle flirt. Is a tickle flirt a thing?

[Jordana Abraham]

I don't know. I haven't been. I haven't been tickled in a bit.

[Jared Freed]

I know that there's such a thing. I know there's such a thing as a tickle fart. I haven't tickled anyone recently nor been tickled. When you get tickled, it's just so giggly. It's so stupid. Like, tickling someone is like the dumbest form of silly, like, childlike thing that, like, for someone to, like, not want that in their system, I think, like, it's. I don't know. When I read this email, I was like, was this guy in the manosphere documentary? Like, what kind of cockamangi is this?

[Jordana Abraham]

Right.

[Jared Freed]

That you don't want to show. It's like when. It's like when people say that their grandparents were like, they were like, grandparents that were. That told them that, like, showing smiling in a picture made them weak. Like, it just feels like, so unloving.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

I don't know.

[Jordana Abraham]

Losery. I agree. It's. To me, it's kind of like you're saying that you're the kind of person that doesn't like to, like, let go.

[Jared Freed]

And letting you. And letting go makes you weak.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yes.

[Jared Freed]

That's what he's saying.

[Jordana Abraham]

Being in the moment, right? It's like. And being, like, fun and like, this person doesn't strike me as particularly fun and flirty.

[Jared Freed]

Oh, I would never want to hang out with this person ever. Like, you do one fun British accent and they're like, what was that? Like, that would be their response to that. Like, no, get out of here.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, I've decided I'm no longer being ticklish. It's like, how could you have children with that person?

[Jared Freed]

Right?

[Jordana Abraham]

It's just like yelling at their kids, at their week.

[Jared Freed]

Was that a giggle? We do not laugh in this house unless it's about a joke where, like, we only laugh when a joke is being told by someone who looks like an MMA fighter. You know, like, that's like.

[Jordana Abraham]

Right.

[Jared Freed]

It's just like, it comes off so stupid. I don't know. That's why it feels very, like, fun. Well, it feels very like, hustle grit culture, where you have to be all in on manhood. I don't know, it kind of goes that direction for me where I'm like, this dude.

[Jordana Abraham]

I agree. I think it. It says some weird about how he views, like, the right way to be, which is hyper controlled and not fun. Not, like, not playful, not loose. That's not something someone I would be particularly interested in.

[Jared Freed]

Right. And also, it kind of all I would do is try to tickle this guy. Like, that would be my life's work, would be sneaking up on him and tickling him and seeing and be like, see? Gotcha, you little.

[Jordana Abraham]

Give us his address.

[Jared Freed]

Right?

[Jordana Abraham]

Jared's gonna knock on his door. When he answers, we're gonna hold him down. Jared's gonna tickle him, and then you'll.

[Jared Freed]

Can you imagine if we found this guy and I randomly tickled him and we got it on camera and he was laughing? What's going on? He's, like, laughing, and I'm like, yeah, you little. That's right. We. We were sent here from the UWA podcast to see if you really, you know, got it out of your system or not. You know, like them. Like, that's our.

[Jordana Abraham]

That's our. Our show coming to Netflix.

[Jared Freed]

Right. Well, tickle your manosphere, loser boyfriend. Comedian Jared Freed was arrested today with allegedly tickling a man who was written into about on his podcast.

[Jordana Abraham]

You know, are you allowed to tickle someone stranger? Like, it's not like punching someone.

[Jared Freed]

I think that's an assault. I think you could be charged with something. Yeah, that's why she needs to dump him. Yeah.

[Jordana Abraham]

Oh, all right.

[Jared Freed]

Tickled against your will. I mean, Jordan, if I went up to a woman and I just started tickling her, I think you.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, I guess that would be illegal. We have to figure out the laws on tickling.

[Jared Freed]

We do. I change my name to the Tickle Monster. That would be my, like, prison name.

[Jordana Abraham]

Tickle Monster. Tickle Monster. I tickle my girls tickle.

[Jared Freed]

Do you. Do they laugh yet?

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

Do they laugh? Is a baby laughing just the best feeling in the world?

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah. That's like, ah. Wow.

[Jared Freed]

Is that number one, the laughing?

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, the smile, the laughing and, like, the smiling when they see you.

[Jared Freed]

It's like, really, like, not nothing, pale nothing is as Good as that.

[Jordana Abraham]

Nothing. Even oral heaven. Even oral. At this, at this phase, at this phase of my life.

[Jared Freed]

Right. Okay.

[Jordana Abraham]

If you had asked me, if you had asked me 10 years ago, maybe, maybe not. At this phase in my life. That's, that's better.

[Jared Freed]

So maybe that's our advice to the oral woman. Just have a baby and you won't need it anymore. You'll just, your baby can smile at you and you'll be fine.

[Jordana Abraham]

Exactly.

[Jared Freed]

Let's do one more.

[Jordana Abraham]

Let's do one more. All right. Hey J and J Love the POD founded after hearing Jared on the toast. And I'm quickly working my way through all the new and old episodes.

[Jared Freed]

We love a new listener. Welcome.

[Jordana Abraham]

I'm writing on behalf of my sister. Her, we'll call her ally. Ally, a 28 year old female has been dating her boyfriend, we'll call him John, 32 year old male for six months. John owns a house and his younger sister, a 28 year old female lives with him there. First potential red flag. John bought the house a couple years ago and his ex girlfriend briefly lived there with him. When they broke up, his sister moved in and has lived with him for the last year or so. Ally thinks it's odd that her 32 year old boyfriend has his younger sister living with him. Him the sister has a boyfriend of about six months herself. Ali says that she has been over to the house and that the sister will shower and walk around in her towel in front of her and John. John tells Allie that if she were to move in, he would ask his sister to move out but otherwise he would not ask her to move out on his own. The situation is all around weird to our whole family. Mostly the fact that this adult brother and sister pair are living together and John has told Allie he would prefer living with his sister than living alone. We would love to hear your thoughts on this. Sincerely questioning My sister's Mr. You know

[Jared Freed]

they're a new listener so I'm happy they're here because maybe they don't know that sometimes we are I, I, both of us, sometimes I, I haven't heard your opinion on this yet. Will label the emailer as the red flag. Like to me, this family that's writing in thank you for listening and for being a new listener, they're the deal breaker. Like if I owned a home where my brother lived with me and we were having a great time being adult roommates with the knowledge that this wasn't forever and when I, you know, find the love of my life, I'll have this place that I own and they can move in and my brother will move out. I would think that if someone took exception to that, that they didn't really understand that the world is the, the reality of living in this world is about trade offs and finding your happiness, you know, in those trade offs that you have to make. Listen, if we could all own our own mansion that was, you know, that was next door to our family members, we'd do it, but we can't.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah.

[Jared Freed]

So this feels like a trade off that was made in the most positive and wonderful ways. And my only issue with the email, the way she wrote it, the only thing I could find exception to questioning her sister's Mr. Is the fact that he kind of said like when, you know, the way he said it was kind of annoying to me. Like it says that once that if she were to move in, he would ask the sister to move out. Like I would want him to like make that decision on his own not to be asked to move in. And then, okay, fine, I'll ask my sister to move out. You would hope that that would be his prerogative. That he's so excited to move in with your sister that he says, hey, we have a plan for her to move out and I would love for you to move in. I but that's me being a little bit picky.

[Jordana Abraham]

I have a feeling she asked him like, what if I moved in, would you ask her to move out?

[Jared Freed]

Of course.

[Jordana Abraham]

I have a feel. I mean, like, yeah, I would imagine he didn't just hear that.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, right. But if he volunteered is like, well, when you're ready to move in, I'll ask her to get her ass out of here. I, I, that kind of the version would be douchey to me.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, that would be weird. I agree.

[Jared Freed]

But that's me being trying my best to take the email aside, but without doing that, I'm saying the email is the deal breaker. Like, I agree.

[Jordana Abraham]

She seems kind of annoying. It seems like the situation works well. They're not sharing a one bedroom.

[Jared Freed]

Right.

[Jordana Abraham]

I guess the towel thing, I don't know. Like, it's not like she's, if she's walking around, if she, if he lived with his sister and she was walking around naked in front of you. Yeah, that would be weird. She wearing a towel. I could see a guy, if a guy, if he lived with his brother, his brother walking around with a, with a towel on. I don't think it's that weird. I think it's nice that he gets along with his sister. They seem close. This does seem like you're looking for to be, like, annoying about, right?

[Jared Freed]

I, I, there's nothing weird about this. The, yeah, the sister's walking around in a towel in her own home that maybe she, we don't know if she pays rent to him or not. But, you know, even so, it's her.

[Jordana Abraham]

I assume she does.

[Jared Freed]

Yeah, let's assume she does. Yeah, she can walk around on a towel. That's to me, I don't know. Listen, like, we're all trying to get through life as comfortably and happily as possible, right? To me, this is him opting for comfort, opting for happy. And again, if someone said, I have a roommate at 42, I would go, well, is there a reason for that? And they were like, well, it's the one time in my life I can live with a roommate and have some fun with my sister. I would go, okay, you've thought about it. You know, it's weird. You know, you have an answer for that, right?

[Jordana Abraham]

And it's a house I could see where he's like, I, I'd rather have my sister live here, pay me rent, then, like, live alone. Also, like, we get along really well and she's a good roommate. She cleans the kitchen.

[Jared Freed]

Let's say your family, let's say, let's reverse it. You find out that your boyfriend, your boyfriend's parents think it's weird that you own a home that you share with your brother. Your brother.

[Jordana Abraham]

Yeah, that's, that's a red flag.

[Jared Freed]

I would be like, this family's unrealistic about how life works. And I would hope that they're very rich so that they can pay for the lifestyle that they see us having.

[Jordana Abraham]

You know, they have to be rich enough to solve this problem for themselves, Right? They have to buy me and my brother our own homes.

[Jared Freed]

Right? Well, we did it again. We solved dating Jordana.

[Jordana Abraham]

We did it. We'll be back on Friday. Thanks again to HBO Max for sponsoring this episode. Euphoria is back for season three. Five years later, the characters you know are navigating power, faith and ambition in the real world. It's bold and visceral and genuinely unlike anything else on TV right now. Don't miss the third season of Euphoria, starring two time Emmy winner Zendaya. Premiering April 12th on HBO and HBO Max, with new episodes every Sunday.