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And I am Jared Freed. It is so good to be back here with you, Jordana. We are going to be doing a deep dive into the hit movie you've got Mail. So if you are watching on YouTube or listening and you haven't watched you've Got Mail before, spoiler alert. But also it's a little late movie. Came out 1998 if you want to have, you know, I, I, yeah, I, I've listened to movie review podcasts before and sometimes I'm like, I don't even need to watch the movie to like get into it. But that might be different for someone listening or watching. So go watch the movie because it might make this better for you or this might just be a fun trip down memory lane and it's up to us to like kind of like remind you of like how the movie went. So we're going to do that. We're going to go through the movie and we're going to talk about it here. Especially because it's, we've done rom com reviews here. This is what this is about. This is a dating show. We're going to discuss, you know, how this kind of fits into the dating world in 2025. And if you have a movie that you'd like us to, like, get into comment on YouTube, that's the best place to do it so that we can see it and we'll take it into consideration. Jordana, how do you feel about you've got Mail? Did you watch? I mean, I know you watched, but, like, how did you watch it? How did you feel overall? Where, where do you stand?
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I, I, I rented it on Amazon prime because I don't travel five days a week, so I didn't watch it for free on the Delta on my Delta flight.
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Like, Delta really came through for me.
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A
Seriously saved you, like 3.99.
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Yeah.
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Very exciting. I watched this movie. I have w. I mean, I've watched this mov times, but I haven't not that recently and with a really, with a dating lens in this way. But I quote this movie all the time. I quote this movie with Aileen and Sammy all the time. I love this movie. I think it's the perfect time capsule for this era. I think it's. There's some stuff that feels dated, but there's some stuff that feels like it could happen right now. And obviously, like, the, you know, the actual fears are different, but I think technology and dating is such an interesting topic, and this is almost like the first movie to really address that.
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Right. And, you know, I, I got nostalgic watching this movie. It does feel like it's, you know, it's fall in New York, which to anyone who's lived in New York during the fall, you know, this movie kind of feels like an old blanket of sorts. Like, it really does feel comfy, cozy. It's got, I kind of like, it's weird because, like, at what age do you start being like, you guys, that was the era. That was the one we should have stayed in, you know, like.
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Right.
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And I feel weird saying that because I wasn't even dating age to stay in this era. But I look at this and I go, this all feels like the where we should have stopped, you know, like.
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In some ways, I think it's like an ideal vision of what new of like the charm and the romance that New York could be, especially in the Upper west side where it's set, which I think almost has like a little bit of a more of this vibe than other places in the city.
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Yeah, I, I even like, the rich people are more relatable and likable than the rich. Like, it was like, I like this version of rich people.
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Yeah. You know, like it's not that big of a divide. They seem to live the same way as the regular people.
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Right.
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Mostly.
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I have to say, income inequality really, like, crossed my mind more than I thought it would while watching this movie.
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I mean, Kathleen Kelly's apartment as a failing children's bookstore owner is like the dream apartment. Like, the rent for that would be like $12,000 a month or something, right?
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It's open, it's airy, it's. Yeah, it has a dining room. Like, it's like, what. It's actually crazy. So I guess to get into the beginning of the movie, the way the movie sets up, it's Kathleen Kelly owns a small bookstore, and we pop into her life as she is, has this new bookstore looming.
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Children's bookstore. So she's even more niche. Niche. And I think, like, innocent. Like, naive innocent. I think it adds to, like, the innocence of her character. Like, she does seem. She seems very positive and very, like, delusional. Delu. Right. Naive, naive and delusional, which we talk about in dating all the time, is like, sort of go hand in hand of like, yeah, every. Things are great. They'll stay great.
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Well, for her to not even realize that a Fox Books could be moving into the area. Like, because when we ca. When we start this movie, it's Kathleen Kelly is finding out a Fox Books is moving into. To the neighborhood. And Fox Books being the Borders bookstore, which again, ages this movie in a weird way because even now, 20, 25, borders, they're out of business. They're out of business, right? So, like, yeah, you know, Barnes and.
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Noble, I was like, are you Borders guy?
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Borders? Yeah, Barnes and No, you're right. I guess I would think of Barnes and No, I. I guess I think of them as Coke and Pepsi. I don't know. I guess.
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Well, Barnes and Noble had a Starbucks in it. So that's why, for some reason I've thought of it as more of a start. Because they're always talking about the cappuccinos that they could buy in the bookstore.
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Right? I mean, that's the thing. Like, this is. That's the part of the era that we walk into. It's like Starbucks is like, huge. And this like, kind of like, exciting thing that's happening. Starbucks, the idea that you could sit in a Starbucks and it was a nationalized thing that we all knew about. So, like, that's happening. The big box bookstores, Borders and Barnes and Nobles, those are like becoming a nationalized thing that are like kicking out the little guy and like, that's kind of what this movie is addressing when we start. And now the Internet is happening. And you know, that's like the, the modernness of this movie is all not modern anymore. But that was kind of like where this movie starts is like, look at how modern we are. We are a dating movie that includes the Internet. And now and we're talking about Starbucks, which is like, everyone's like got their Starbucks order. Like it's be it like I do remember a time where Starbucks was like, whoa, this is like people were excited.
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Like, I still love Star.
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You're a Starbucks stand. I mean, like, I mean nowadays Kathleen Kelly's store like works like that's like what we go to now.
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Well, it's like a counterculture now, right? It's like the counterculture of the like, cool. Like now that's your little boutique coffee shop, right?
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That sells like there's a place in the West Village called Air Mail. Have you ever been there? And it's like, I don't know who supports this store? Like this sport, this store is like not possible. How do they make any money? But they have a coffee thing in there and they sell like tchotchkas and they. And it's like all overpriced and it's like, who would get a notebook from here? But like that's what kind of her store would have to turn into, you know?
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Yeah. And I mean it's charming, it's lovely. And it's interesting because they meet and I don't know if this ever became socially acceptable, but they meet in an over 30 chat room.
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Right?
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So the movie starts, the two of them are excitedly checking their email with the dial up AOL sound playing. And you basically learn that they, they met in a chat room and now they speak. They don't give any personal details, but they speak. Speak through email and like a little bit later in the movie through instant message briefly.
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Right.
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But generally they're basically just like email pen pals that don't know any personal information about each other that meet in a chat room, which she, even when she is telling her co workers she sounds a little embarrassed about, which was realistic.
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Right? I mean, so they're also dating other people.
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Yes, they're both in relationships.
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They're both in relationships and in an over 30 chat room to meet people, which is like lightly addressed. How did does that. Like that was the kind of the thing that I was like, man, this is where our dating problems like all of like the. Well, they're allowed to be talking to someone Else we're not in a relationship and you know, it's not like we're excluded. Like I don't know if this, this kind of like is a little bit of a, a warning of what's to come as far as what people are tired of in dating. The disposability of it all. Which it's not described that way here. It's described as two people in relationships just chit chatting with someone over email who they're kind of excited about.
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Right.
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In a way that's different than what they have in front of them. You know, like you're sort of watching.
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An emotional affair unfold.
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Right. But they never really say that. Like that's kind of weird the way this movie begins. Right. It's unspoken and we're like watching it from this cynical 2025. Like we've heard all in dating. We've done the online dating. We're kind of like we're living in like, like I think where we live in online dating right now is like the houses burnt down and we're like standing on top of the ashes and we're like this is what dating is now. And they're at the house like this is like going back in time to that same house. Beautiful and well structured. That they're like. And do you want to try this online dating? Like they're so wide eyed about it that there's no cynicism at all. To be like we're cheating on our spouses.
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Right. Well they're not cheating yet. Really there it's inappropriate. I would say they're having inappropriate. But again it could be. Let's say it was, let's say, let's say it was a woman. Let's say it was like she's talking to a fellow book loving woman that she met in a chat room about books.
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But that's not what happened about books is different than over 30s, New York, over 30.
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Right. But it could be friends hypothetically. Right. I mean there's nothing, they're not really saying anything. They're hinting at it a little bit, but there's nothing said that's like overtly sexual or overtly intimate. It does feel, it's like an, a subtle, a super subtle undertone of flirt. Flirtatiousness.
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Absolutely. And they're getting, you know, and to them, to each other, they both kind of like agree this other person's perfect. The way we write back and forth. I'm excited to hear from them. And then they show them in their lives with their spouses. And who they're dating. And we even see it, we're like, oh, fuck Greg Kinnear. And we're like, fuck Parker Posey. But, like, they're like these, like, cartoons of people. Like, they are two, like, actual cartoons. He's the up his own ass. Like, you know, like, pseudo intellectual. Intellectual, yeah. Like. Like, loves the attention. Like, total, you know. You know, like, liberal doofus type. And Patricia, or her name is Patricia in the movie, Parker Posey is, like.
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Kind of, like, a little insufferable.
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Just generally insufferable. Like Fox News lady. Like. Like, definitely, like, rings. Like, cutthroat. Like. And that's the other thing about this movie is, like, the politics of it all. They do get into it, but, like, everything seems. Economically, if the world feels closer together.
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Yes.
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Politically, the world feels closer together. Like, where they disagree isn't, like, hateful. They just kind of like, this is how we see that. I don't know. They. There was so much of this that I'm like, take me back. Take me back.
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You know, like, to the 90s, right? Yes.
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I don't know.
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It's like, simpler time.
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Even the day. Even the way cheating.
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Everything seems less charged. Everything is just way less charged. Way less intense. It's more relaxing.
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It is.
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Even when they're, like, making fun of the poor. The books, the bookshops that they're putting out of business, it's still, like, casual.
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It is casual, and it does feel, like, inevitable. Like, you do kind of see their side. They're like, we have discounts. Like, of course we should exist. Like. And they both. Like, they do both. The one thing you see about his character and her character is they both believe in their. In their plight. Like, they both wax on whimsically about, you know, when he gets into, like, why they should come into the book. Like, they're in the gym and he's like, they cut off everything. I said, how. You know how we have a book, right? It's like, we sell cheap.
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Sell cheap books.
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Right?
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So sue me.
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Right? And then he gets into his, like, world view, and his worldview is like, a good. He's like, we got a place where you can get coffee and you can get a book for less money.
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No one will bother you.
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No, Right. And we have a kid's zone where we're gonna have a clown read to your kid. And you can.
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Well, I also think. But your politics, I think, were less of, like, a personality trait. Because, like, even Meg Ryan, who's very much. Obviously, she has A niche, small boutique, lovely bookstore, still going to Starbucks. Big ass Corporation, Starbucks. Like, I don't think no one's doing something to show that that's what they do as, like, they're, you know, this is what they stand for. It's just like, casually what they think.
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Yeah, it did have a breeziness to it. And.
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Yeah.
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So, okay, so they're in this chat room, they meet and now they're like, like, how would you feel if your boyfriend was pumped to get an email from a stranger online or pumped to get a notification that, you know. And again, it's not a dating app, so it's way less, you know, inflammatory. You know, like, I'm trying to think.
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Of, like, I mean, I'd be. I'm wary of anyone who wants a new friend. Right, right, right.
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What's the deal?
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Even if I had a friend who's like, I met another friend in a chat room, I'd be like, why couldn't you meet someone in the real world?
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Right. What's wrong with.
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Like, I think there's something, you know, what I'm like a little bit.
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But even a chat room, there would be a cynical. Yeah, what would the chat room be of these days? I guess of these days it would be DMing someone who.
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Like Reddit.
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Reddit.
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Maybe that's fair because you're not seeing anyone's. I could see you having like a. You forming a relationship with someone that you both comment in the same thread, group on Reddit about something, and then you, you know, take it offline to email or I guess that that's like the only anonymous place, but people usually use it much more. Actually, I guess people used to use chat rooms pretty cynically in like a horrible, dangerous way.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. Like, I mean, that was like. Like, to me, like, it. It is funny that the danger, the element. Like, I'm like, this is way more dangerous back then than it is now. Like, now there's an online foot.
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No one has a cell phone.
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No cell phone and no Facebook, no Instagram. You can't be like, hey, let me look you up so I can, like, check out your life. Like, and like, some people are like, oh, I wish it was more like that. But like, no, you don't. Like, we naturally look people up now. You naturally go, let me make sure this is a real person and not, you know, now it could be an AI bot. Like, there was an article the other, like, a few months ago, Fall in.
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Love with the bot. Yeah.
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Where a guy fell in love the guy left his family and died coming into New York. Did you hear that story?
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No. What?
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He fell in love with a bot and then, like, went into New York. And I think he had, like, mental problems. I think he had, like, an issue. But, like, he ended up passing, like, because he was, like, on the hunt for this woman who claimed she was like, come meet me in the city. And he, like. Like, he died.
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Why would he die? How?
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I'm giving, like, so not. Not enough of this story.
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I. I don't get how we jump from, like, thinking he's dating someone to death.
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I don't think he was a. I don't think he was able to, like, come into the city like that. Like, I. I think that, like, we're getting.
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Due to health problems.
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Yeah. Like, it was, like, something he shouldn't have been doing. The articles in the chat.
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This movie has none of that darkness. None of that. Right?
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Man proposed to his AI chatbot girlfriend named Saul, then cried his eyes out when she said yes. Like, these are things that are really happening. But back then, it's like, back then, there's like, there was no, like, safety protocols you could personally do. So, like, them meeting in a chat room.
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Dangerous.
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Yeah.
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So this was something I was gonna.
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Ask you made out to be, because.
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I was like, is there, like a. So to go through the movie, we start with, like, these two people who've met online and now they're emailing each other while they're still in other relationships. And then, you know, things move along and she finds out Fox Books is moving in. You know, Joe Fox and his grandpa and his dad are, like, kind of like having their big moment where they're going to open this huge superstore. They're kind of, like, gloating a little bit. We're about. We're coming to town. They know that they're going to get protested. They don't care. They're like, we are going to win this, you know, as far as a business is concerned. And now Joe Fox, you know, goes into the competitor, which is a competitor. He knows he's gonna squish like a bug with his bro. Half brother. That was the other thing. The.
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Yeah.
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I do think that a lot of this movie was like, we are. This is a modern life. Like, we meet online.
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New York life, right?
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Modern New York life. Like, this was like, to me, like, a lot of this movie was, like, making it more acceptable to have, like, this, like, it's More acceptable to meet online. It's not nerds and losers in a parent's basement. These are two working people who are good looking, who are also in chat rooms. So it kind of helped the Internet dating thing. It also is like, look at me, I got divorced parents who, they get married again to younger people. And look at my, my brother's four years old and I take them to go get books. Like, this is all a happy modern life. This is like the original Modern family, like showing us, like.
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Yeah.
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You know, if you were living in Ohio, you know, you were looking at this being like, look at these New Yorkers and they're just cool with it. Like, the idea of like, your dad is dating a younger woman and has a kid with her is like, not even part of the story.
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Right. You know, I also. Yeah. And I think Tom Hanks has the unique ability to make this feel like, casual and charming.
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Right.
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This whole, the whole life, the whole dog. The life. The, the being a, you know, the owner of a multi millionaire superstore guy, he doesn't. He makes that feel down to earth.
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He really does because, like. And so, so then he goes into the bookstore with his net niece and brother to like, check out, right?
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Check out the competition.
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Check out the competition. And he meets Kathleen Kelly, who he already knows is the owner of the store. His grandfather had a relationship with the grandmother of a certain kind they've been in, you know.
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Enchanting.
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Enchanting. She's enchanting.
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Mother was enchanting.
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That's right. And he puts it all together and now he knows her before she knows him. She. He's basically Joe who's buying books. And he knows just Joe. He's just Joe. And she is Kathleen Kelly, the owner of the bookstore he's going to put out of business, but he doesn't want to let her know yet. And this is kind of a theme of the whole movie, is that he always knows more than she knows about her. More than she knows about him. Him. And I was wondering, and I wanted to ask you this, is this a female? Like, like, is this a sexy thing to women to, like, know a little less and have a guy who can lead you and like, I, I destroy.
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Your business in a charming way.
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Right. I. I don't know. Because they do this three different times throughout the movie. He does it in the bookstore where she doesn't know that he's Joe Fox. Then he does it as he knows that she's Shop around the Corner, you know, she. That it's her yeah.
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That she's Shop Girl.
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That she's Shop Girl. Before she knows He's New York, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And then he kind of plays on.
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It at the end.
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And then at the end, Right.
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Well, at the end, he's also, you know, organizing this meetup.
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Right.
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Knowing that it's him and kind of, like, being her friend and pretending that he's just, like, you know, giving her advice.
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Right?
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Yeah. The whole movie he's with her. That's why I'm like. This is, like, sort of deranged. Like, I think I'd be annoyed.
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B
Would you be? But. But it's being sold.
- [28:29]
A
He lets her think she stood up at the bookstore, Right. Not only does he, like, ruin her entire livelihood, like, puts her out of business, does not feel it wasn't personal. And I agree with her. She's like, people always say that it is personal, right? It is to me.
- [28:44]
B
It's personal to me. And it. It is. Because also, her whole business is personal. And for him to say it's not personal, he just taught. He talks about. He waxes on poetically about the beauties of his store.
- [28:57]
A
It's personal to him, too, right? Yeah. It's like, only this. Somehow this movie has made this, like, horrific thing that happens where this guy is just, like, with this woman for two hours on screen seem like the most. One of the most romantic movies of all time.
- [29:16]
B
That's why I was wondering, and I love this movie. Right. Well, that's why I was wondering, is this. So is this something women want? Where is he, like, doing something that men generally don't do that is, like, the dream of a woman? Is it the dream to have a guy who is so into you lead you down this path where it doesn't matter what happens, he's gonna catch you and be the best match for you? I don't know. I. I thought about that a lot.
- [29:46]
A
Right. I think most women would still hold.
- [29:48]
B
A grudge about what happened, about all.
- [29:51]
A
Of the ways that that was. I think she. At the end. At the end, it feels like she already kind of knows it's him.
- [29:56]
B
Right?
- [29:57]
A
He's kind of, like, dropping little hints that it's him. But, yeah, I think. I mean, like, she. I guess he gets her to forgive him as his friend before he reveals himself as the person in the bookstore. But, like, is that because he. Why doesn't he. Why? Why? When they're supposed to meet up the first time and he realizes it's her, why does he pretend it's not him?
- [30:19]
B
Because it would ruin it for him. It's selfish. I think it's inherently selfish. He's like, I'm trying to, like, make sure I have the field in front of me. Like, if he just, like, comes out with it, he lose, she loses. Like, he loses the ability to, like, make sure this goes well for him.
- [30:39]
A
To have all the power.
- [30:41]
B
Right? And so it's a real.
- [30:43]
A
Right. She looks like a loser. She's sitting there waiting with her, but with her stupid book and her flower.
- [30:49]
B
And then he sticks with her. And then. Right. Dave Chappelle in the movie Dave Chappelle, another part of the movie that made me feel the income inequality because, like, the idea that, like, the owner of this big conglomerate is, like, also buddies with someone who works with him. Like, it didn't even, like. Like, I was, like, seemingly his only friend. His only friend, right? And they go to the gym together. Like, I'm like, nowadays, like, you. You think Elon Musk or, like, you know, Bezos is in the gym with, like, one of his, like, subordinates at Amazon. Like, I don't know.
- [31:24]
A
Yeah. I thought he was, like, great casting, though. He was, like, very. He was also pretty charming and funny, right?
- [31:30]
B
He was great. And also it's, like, very male. Like, he goes up to, like, check out the woman. Is she hot? Is all they care about.
- [31:38]
A
Yeah. Right. Well, he's like, well, she kind of looks like that woman Kathleen Kelly. You said she was a Kathleen Kelly.
- [31:46]
B
Yeah.
- [31:47]
A
You're not gonna like this girl, right?
- [31:50]
B
Yeah. So then I got. So he, you know, finds out that she's Kathleen Kelly before he. She know he's Fox Books. And then they go to that party where, like, all the couples meet, and you have Greg Kinir and. And Meg Ryan. You have Parker Posy.
- [32:08]
A
And what event was this?
- [32:09]
B
It seemed like it was a book publishing event. It was a. Because they are both in the same industry, so it would make sense that they would be at a book event where a book is coming out, and you would invite all the retailers to, like, kind of celebrate this popular author who's gonna have a big book that you're gonna want to sell.
- [32:31]
A
Right?
- [32:31]
B
They meet there, and now she immediately hates him because she's like, you're the guy that's, like, coming into town to put me out of business. And she goes to him online without knowing, like, hey, I need some advice. What would I do? And he's like, you gotta fight for it. You gotta fight. You know, I'm. She's like, I'm dealing with some business problems. What should I do? He's like, you gotta fight. He does the old. He does the, you know, go to the mattress. Go to the mattresses. Godfather quote, which is like a big guy thing, fits his character. And it is.
- [33:04]
A
Especially in the 90s.
- [33:05]
B
Totally in the 90s. And it does fit this whole thing of, like, you know, to me, like, when they're talking online versus when they're in person, like, the online version of them is this, like, subtle paced out. Just like beautiful versions.
- [33:22]
A
You have more time.
- [33:23]
B
Yeah, right. Like, and. And then that in person thing, you get all the warts, you know?
- [33:30]
A
Yeah. Well, they're, like, kind of mean, right? Or he's really kind of mean. He's especially mean because she's so sweet. I think that sort of, like, adds to the. But he's mean in, like, a charming way.
- [33:44]
B
He's mean in the way that, like, you know, I. I guess he's like. I mean, this is gonna. I don't. I hope this will definitely throw people off. But, like, he's like, Republican mean, you know, like.
- [33:58]
A
Right. What is your little bookstore? Me.
- [34:00]
B
Right. This is just how it goes. This is business. This is dollars and cents. He. You know, like, when it comes to, like, the realities of life, you know, it's. It's cold, you know, and he's the cold, hard cash of it.
- [34:15]
A
All. Right?
- [34:16]
B
You know, and. And then. Because then we see, like, she's like, I'm gonna fight back by, like, saying, like, I'm gonna go on the news. You're. You're changing the neighborhood. It becomes a social cause. And her boyfriend is gonna write an article where, like, we're gonna vilify them. And it's like. You know, the sad part is, it's like of. Of what they're fighting is like, at the end of the day, people like a discount more than they care about what they look like, you know, like, or than the neighborhood.
- [34:46]
A
I mean, it's funny. I think the whole. The whole movie is so ironic when you look at it now, because again, Barnes Noble, which was thought to be a big. Like a huge, big, evil corporation, is put out of business by an even larger, more evil corporation.
- [35:05]
B
And that's like. Right?
- [35:07]
A
Yeah.
- [35:07]
B
Would they be like, it's not personal. It's just business? I'm sure Bezos would say the same thing to Joe Fox. Like, he's like, but we had a bookstore where people could come in and have a coffee and Converse. And he's like, no one wants to talk. They just want to Live in their door. I sell cheap books. Right.
- [35:23]
A
Like. Right.
- [35:24]
B
And it is ironic to me. Yeah. And it's like. Yeah. I. I don't know. It's like. It's like watching a. Like a. A shark eat a minnow and then the whale eat the shark, you know, like.
- [35:39]
A
Right.
- [35:40]
B
That's like the visualization of this movie, you know? But I mean, that's like a. So, yeah, we get past that part.
- [35:48]
A
She's so. Yeah. And I. I kind of like that the movie actually does have her. Him put her out of business. Like, she actually does have to close the store.
- [35:57]
B
Right. So.
- [35:59]
A
Because it's like, it could have easily been like, oh, they in the end they both coexist. But like, no, no. Like, he puts her out of business. Does she care enough to not like him?
- [36:10]
B
I mean, if you want to look at this, even worse. If you. Right. If you want to look at this movie, even worse. He puts her in a position where being with him is the only way out of destitute. Like, like, like.
- [36:26]
A
And then.
- [36:27]
B
Right. He bankrupts her and then offers her a job. Makes her dump. Right. Makes her dump her only boyfriend friend. And so now she has to pay her own rent. And now he's like, I love you, kid, and I can offer you the head of the children's book division for our national corporation. And she's like, I guess I have to do this, you know, like, when.
- [36:50]
A
We tell it, I'm saying, like, this, this whole story could be told in so much more of a depressing way if the characters weren't so charming.
- [36:58]
B
They're so good. I like everyone in the movie. There isn't one person I don't like. Even his. His dad, who's just, like, banging chicks and getting dumped by chicks and moving onto a boat and having a martini and talking about dating his nanny and forgetting that it was his nanny. Even him. I like.
- [37:17]
A
Yeah, I like Kathleen Kelly's bookstore co workers. The old lady, the young one, the.
- [37:25]
B
Lady who guy, the lady who dated a dictator. And then later Steve Zahn.
- [37:31]
A
That's what I'm saying. It's so casual, the way they, like, are all commenting on all of it. It's. None of it is so charged. Like, everything today is so charged.
- [37:40]
B
And you have to, like, think twice of, like, who these things affect, you know, like, okay, is bringing up this dictator gonna, you know, she a dictator? Oh, my God, do I have to worry about the families who are, like, over by this dictator? You know what I mean?
- [37:55]
A
Like, right. And the person who's the joke is Greg Kinnear, who's like, I could. Who's the one who's like, I could never date someone who didn't do X, right? And that's like, basically the ultimate. Like, the way that they break up is he's like, I could never date someone who didn't vote. I could never date someone who didn't. Whatever. And, like, nowadays that would be like, yeah, of course. Of course I could never date someone. Who knows? But, like, she's like, I got a manicure and she's the charming one, right?
- [38:22]
B
I mean, I don't know. I. I do think that I kind of watched Greg Kinnear, and I still think of that character to be, you know, the worst version of us. Like, to, like, speak that way to her in the movie theater. Like, she's like. He's like, I could forgive you, you know, like, what?
- [38:42]
A
Right?
- [38:42]
B
And she stands up and, like, forgive me. And they do have a breakup, which. What did you think of their breakup?
- [38:51]
A
I mean, it was the easiest breakup of all. This is like the dream. If you could, like, if you could write a dream breakup, this would be the dream breakup, right? You don't love me. I don't love you either. Oh, my God. Who is it? Who's the other person? Tell me all about her.
- [39:06]
B
Right?
- [39:07]
A
He, like, unrealistic.
- [39:08]
B
The only way that Charming to me, the only way that breakup happens is if he says I'm gay.
- [39:15]
A
Right? Which he didn't do, right? He's, like, sleeping with the woman who interviewed him, right? The TV woman.
- [39:19]
B
The TV woman who was impressed by. By his, you know, like, yes. And. But I, I. The only way to, like, look at your partner who you were just with five minutes ago and go, is there someone else? Like, one of you needs to be gay for you to have that conversation so easily and smiling.
- [39:38]
A
Like, both of you, right?
- [39:40]
B
So, yeah. So I mean, to keep going through the movie, we go to, like, basically it ends with, you know, he wants to, you know, she goes out of business. He becomes her friend. He promotes this, like, ideal, like, we should meet. And before they should meet, he confesses his love as her friend. But she kind of, like, is like, I can't. I got this other thing. Who's the online person, right? And I did have this moment. And then she goes to, like, meet him, and she was like, I was hoping it was you. I knew it was you. I was hoping the whole time.
- [40:22]
A
And not like, I can't believe you were with me this whole time that.
- [40:27]
B
Doesn'T acknowledge how horrific he's been.
- [40:29]
A
Yeah.
- [40:30]
B
But then I do think it's a, like a symbol of like kind of what we go, why people are dating the way they do. Like, you know, the dating that you're like missing out on people for these other people that are just, you know, the scripted version of them, you know, or like even the way you date someone, you go, well, they're not the same as they were over text. Like, do you know what I mean?
- [40:59]
A
Yeah, I think it's, it's sort of like the first iteration of that, that you're, that you are able to see like would they last? I mean, I guess he's building a real life friendship with her before they meet. So they, he's sort of test, he's able to test that out.
- [41:16]
B
She's able to see if she is going into it.
- [41:18]
A
That person.
- [41:19]
B
Right.
- [41:19]
A
Yeah.
- [41:20]
B
Is she as good in person as she is online? He gets the opportunity.
- [41:24]
A
So selfish.
- [41:26]
B
But I think a lot of.
- [41:27]
A
Right. And if she was annoying when they were friends, he would just never suggest that they meet.
- [41:32]
B
Do you think a lot of men need that? You know, like, because we get emails.
- [41:39]
A
Interesting. Do they need, you're saying, do they need a no strings attached, casual way to get to know you to decide if they want to be with you without the pressure of having to decide if they want to date you?
- [41:53]
B
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's like, tell me. I, I, I do think the apps in that way are made for the way a woman wants to like handle her dating. And, and I don't think they're made in the way a man probably needs to date to get like excited about a partner.
- [42:18]
A
So what would a male focused dating app look like? What would a dating app that caters to the way that men want to date look like?
- [42:25]
B
I guess it would include like meet.
- [42:29]
A
The chat room speak. They, they, you know what they look like. They don't know what you look like.
- [42:34]
B
Right.
- [42:35]
A
You spend six months hanging out with them.
- [42:38]
B
Wonder why. Figuring out if they're cool and then.
- [42:42]
A
Yeah.
- [42:44]
B
While you have another.
- [42:45]
A
When you're ready. When you're ready.
- [42:48]
B
Yeah. I mean this is very laughable and unrealistic. I'm just saying, like it does kind of fit the way it went for him. The way a guy kind of like it had stop gaps on it, it had protections like, like it wasn't like he was trying to like bang her, you know, like while they hung out. Like none of that was even pushed or preferenced, you know, or like that that wasn't even Acknowledged, like was there. We just assumed there were sexual chemistry history.
- [43:23]
A
Right. And there is, obviously.
- [43:25]
B
Well, this is like, this might have been the most sexless rom com of all time.
- [43:30]
A
There's one kiss at the end.
- [43:31]
B
Yeah, that's it. We don't even see a man and a woman in bed together this whole movie, if you think about it.
- [43:37]
A
Yeah, that's true. And even the, even the, the side relationships are non sexual. Like the Tom Hanks Parker Posey relationship is non sexual. The Meg Ryan one is. It's all very like cute.
- [43:47]
B
Very cute. The only sexual one is his dad's new wife who's hitting on him and puts her hand on his leg. You know, like it's. I guess in that sense it's like weirdly unrealistic. Like what I think, could you immediately be in a serious relationship with someone right from where they start with no physical anything?
- [44:15]
A
I think I could if we were friends first. Like they were. They're afraid. They're, they've. They're sort of like cultivating this friendship before. So it's not like they've never met. I think I could. Could you not?
- [44:28]
B
I like to think I could, but I'd have to be like so attracted to them. Like, it couldn't be like a question, but I guess there wouldn't be a question.
- [44:39]
A
So it's about their physical attractiveness. But even he's saying, do you think that's realistic? Where he's like, even if she's like half as pretty is like, like he was basically kind of saying outside the, the cafe that like, if she was decent, just decent looking, she was like, he was so incredible that it wouldn't matter.
- [45:00]
B
I don't believe him. I think that's, I think a lot of this is. Again, this is all so new to online dating that they haven't dealt with the repercussions of online dating.
- [45:12]
A
Right?
- [45:13]
B
Like, this is like pre. Oh my God. I was dating him like he was my boyfriend and we met online and then all of a sudden he bailed.
- [45:22]
A
Right.
- [45:22]
B
I mean, not to say that didn't happen, but I'm just saying, like, I think it's more prevalent now because you do get so far ahead. You do write these love letters to each other. Texting is another version of these emails.
- [45:33]
A
No, totally. I mean, texting is worse because you can text all fudgeing day, right? Like here, at least you can only speak to them that once, maybe twice a day. When you're checking your email at home, at your, at your laptop, they're not communicating all day. And I think that's better for whatever relationship they're forming. They're sending long form emails to each other, which feels pretty intimate. I also think Meg Ryan is like the perfect level of attractiveness. She's like beautiful but approachable. Not like.
- [46:07]
B
Right.
- [46:08]
A
Not like so obviously drop dead gorgeous that it's like weird, right, that that would be something that they were talking about about her in casual conversation.
- [46:19]
B
Right. And it wouldn't be like, I guess it wouldn't like throw the whole thing off. Like.
- [46:25]
A
Right.
- [46:26]
B
Like her looks are like, yeah, they're good. We're good here. Like there's no like, good enough.
- [46:32]
A
Yeah, they're a great personality.
- [46:34]
B
Right, Right. I. Yeah. I mean, this was just. Did it make you want to date on the Upper west side? Like, did you kind of like see this in 1998? In 1998. Does it seem like in a. An attractive proposition it made me.
- [46:55]
A
Yes and no. Part of me is like, because I like, I think the, the ideal situ. Like the. If you think about 1998, you would think there'd be more in person interactions and that's what I would probably miss about it. But this movie highlights a non in.
- [47:13]
B
Real life interaction, but alongside a real life interaction where they become friends in person.
- [47:20]
A
Right. Through his deception.
- [47:22]
B
While she deals. I mean, it is weird to be friends with the person putting you out of business, but I guess dating that person, then dating that. It's almost weirder to me to be friends. Like, unless she was like looking to get a job from him or like he, like he never offers her a job.
- [47:40]
A
He kind of forces his way in there.
- [47:42]
B
Yeah.
- [47:43]
A
As her friend, like, he shows up, she's like, not. She's. He's like at her door. Literally at her physical door.
- [47:48]
B
Right.
- [47:49]
A
And she's not concerned about paying her rent or anything. This is the whole, the whole, the fight. I agree. Like the. I. I wish the. I think the income inequality part of it does feel that's like the most unrealistic part of it for modern day to me. Almost like that you could. Everyone is living like a pretty good life, right?
- [48:08]
B
Well, that was the thing of like you watch this. I. I mean even like them having their boats to live on. Like they have like their own boats to live on. There was kind of a class to being rich then that you don't see as much. Like it was like that. Like none of that is like flashed around. They just have a boat. Like no one knew about the boats. Like they didn't have their Own Instagram account.
- [48:33]
A
Right. There's no social media. I think there's more like. And I mean, that's true of the city in general compared to, like, suburbs and stuff, but I think there's just less. You could be rich less obviously, back then.
- [48:46]
B
Right, right. And. And you're right about the city, like, the suburb. You have the rich part of town, you have the poor part of town, you have the, you know, the. The everyone part of town. But, like, this is like New York City where, like, you could have an apartment neck. That's really big. Right. Good. Next to someone who's renting, but they don't even mention whether she's renting. We don't even know if that maybe is her mom's apartment that she's had for 100 years, you know?
- [49:09]
A
Yeah, that's true. It's not really even her store. It's her mom's story. She's also a. An heiress.
- [49:17]
B
Yeah. So she's doing oak. Maybe she had no problems at all. Who knows? I. Let's do something.
- [49:24]
A
Where's your dad? She never talked. Never talks about her dad.
- [49:26]
B
The dad is never referenced ever. Ever. It was a great watch. I mean, it's so. It is funny that, like, a movie like this is, like, the number one. Like, just don't look too deep. Like, just stop at this movie, like, if you.
- [49:41]
A
Right.
- [49:42]
B
Don't let the details bother you, you know, like, because you go. I. I think as a dating thing, though, it just shows, like, it's almost like a childlike version of dating today. Like, today just has so many other angles. And then for something that was so modern and. And, like, complicated at the time, it seems so not complicated. Like, we met in a chat room.
- [50:08]
A
Right. I mean, it's definitely oversimplified.
- [50:10]
B
Definitely oversimplified. Met in a chat room. We talk every now and again. And maybe we should.
- [50:17]
A
No one's trying to send anyone a dick picture, right?
- [50:21]
B
No pictures. There were no. They didn't even look to see what they look like. They never knew what each other looked like. That's a big part of this movie, Right. Maybe that's the male dating pictures out.
- [50:33]
A
Yeah. Love is Blind. Right?
- [50:38]
B
That is. Love is blind. That's the whole premise.
- [50:40]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [50:42]
B
And Love is Blind does get into, like, the love notes and, like, you know, them talking a little bit more like, hypothetically versus in reality, you know?
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A
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- [54:19]
B
Let's do some games. Is there a villain?
- [54:22]
A
I think the villain is Joe Fox and capitalism maybe. Yeah, I mean, he's the villain, but you're kind of rooting for him still, right?
- [54:34]
B
I don't, like, I don't need him to find love, you know, like, I don't know. There was nothing like, I don't know, it's. He's definitely the villain. If you think about it, Cap, I think capitalism is the villain. I think as much as I don't want to say it.
- [54:54]
A
Yeah. I mean, but he's the one who's engaging in it. Right? So.
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B
Right.
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A
But I mean, that's the society we live in. He's. He's playing, you know, he's playing the game. He's playing in all ways and romantically. Business. He knows how to play the game.
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B
I mean, he even has that scene in the elevator where he's like, you know, he. That was like. I think the most important scene as far as like a rom coms concerned. It's like you're in the Elevator. It's about to go down. And the elevator operator knows the answer to the question. There's only one person he's thinking of. And what are you gonna do when.
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A
You get out of here?
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B
What are you gonna do when you get out of here? That's it. And he goes to Parker Posey, and she's like, I'm gonna go to. Like, what did she say?
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A
She's like, I forgot. What did she say? Something.
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B
Something horrible. And you're like, you know, he knew, you know, and. And that, I think, is.
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A
That was his ick. He got the ick right.
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B
Right there and then. Have you ever written a love letter?
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A
I've written emails.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Not like I wouldn't call them. I mean, what's a love letter? Right? Like, I've written flirtatious emails and given. And received. I've had an email relationship of sorts.
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B
I've had that too. And I did the email thing with people, but it was really before the technology had grown to where it is now. I think, like. I think we are, like, such a product of, like, what we have access to.
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A
Yeah, I think we should go back to emails. I think there's. There's not as much as an. Of an impetus to reply immediately. People can digest. You can write out something that's well thought out. If someone had to communicate with you by writing an email, you probably'd. Probably be emailing less people. It'd be. It'd be, like, more meaningful. Right?
- [56:43]
B
You can't just do 20 at once.
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A
Right. You're not sending a How's your day email. You're sending, like, a more detailed.
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B
This is what the week has been. You know, it's a more.
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A
Yes, your thoughts on it. It's more of a.
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B
It does slow things down. Like, it's like, you know, that's like, kind of like eating. Like, they say it takes 10 minutes for your stomach, for your mind, and realize that your stomach's full. And it's like, right. If you go to email, like, it takes one email to, like, realize, like, who you really want to write it to, like, as opposed to, like, your mind being split amongst, you know, however many people. And, you know, also when you email, you're, like, thinking of that one person when you text, like, even on your phone, like, there's seven things happening at once. Like, and you're just, like, going around the dial.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, that's what I'm saying.
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A
Maybe we should back to email movement.
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B
It's a good exercise for dating. So, you know, like, you start dating someone, it's like, can we exchange emails? And, like, kind of start with that. But I think if you're doing that with someone, you probably already like them and, you know, like. But maybe it's a good way to zone.
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A
There's like a base level. Yeah, definitely is. I think there's an intimacy. I mean, obviously a letter is the most intimate form of communication you can get, but an email, I think, is close second.
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B
Right. Let's do a red flag or deal breaker. You ready?
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A
I'm ready.
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B
Constantly quoting the Godfather. Red flag or deal breaker.
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A
I'm okay with this. I quote. I quote this movie all the time. Obscure quotes that no one even understands but me.
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B
Right. I. I don't mind if someone constantly quotes a movie, but bring me in. I want to be let known what the scene is.
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A
Let's watch the movie together.
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B
Right. There's a point where it's been quoted so much, and if I haven't seen it, we gotta watch the movie.
- [58:41]
A
Yeah. Otherwise, know your audience quoted the audience that you like my alien. And I will say, like. And Sammy will be like, happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving back.
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B
What's that from?
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A
You know, when he. Like, that's from this movie.
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B
When. Yeah. I'm trying to remember the point.
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A
Okay, so she's in the cash lane at Thanksgiving, right? Trying to check out the thing. And then everyone in the line is yelling at her to get in another line.
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B
Yes.
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A
And then Joe Fox comes up, another kind of douchey but nice that. Where he's like, do you need money? You need money?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
That's another way. He's such a douchebag. He's like. And. But then he convinces the cashier to take the card. He goes, you see this. This machine? Can you just swipe it in? And he goes like, happy things.
- [59:28]
B
Now you say, happy Thanksgiving back. That whole thing, to me was not smooth at all. Like, I don't know why that was seen as, like, you did it, buddy. Like, I don't know if I would help him if I was her.
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A
I think Tom Hanks just has a way of, like, making things seem like, I agree it wasn't that smooth, but he acts as though it was smooth, so you kind of believe it was smooth.
- [59:52]
B
Right. I mean, even. That's another part of this movie that I find very fun, is they really know how to cast annoying people. The guy behind her in line at the grocery store is the most annoying person ever.
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A
And she doesn't have cash. She doesn't have cash.
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B
Even though he's right. I hate him.
- [60:16]
A
Lady, get in another line. Right?
- [60:19]
B
We all have places to go. Like, it's like this, like, dude, let her pay. Like, you know, like, right. I. Yeah.
- [60:28]
A
Poor Kathleen Kelly. But then when he offers, when he says, do you have any. Do you need money?
- [60:32]
B
Right? It just like. Well, that goes into this, like, whole power dynamic that this movie really, like, you know, it gets annoying. You're like, he owns her at every turn. Why is it.
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A
I know.
- [60:45]
B
And would we be okay? Could it work with the. Could this movie work if the genders.
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A
Were reversed and she put him out of business?
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B
She puts him.
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A
She said, do you need money?
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B
Do you need money? Like, would we buy it?
- [61:06]
A
Have you ever seen the movie the Proposal?
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B
No. It's with. With Ryan Reynolds. Is that who it's with?
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A
And Sandra Bullock. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That sort of is a movie about these roles being reversed.
- [61:17]
B
Huh. And she puts them out of business. I don't. I never.
- [61:23]
A
Well, she's like his boss, and she basically, like, blackmails him into pretending to be her boyfriend.
- [61:29]
B
Right. I don't know. I. I was just thinking, like, would we find the romance in her? Because I do think it is seen by some. Or without looking too deeply into it, how romantic it is that he's, like, leading her along this scavenger hunt.
- [61:46]
A
Right. Well, it's like he's with her, but he's ultimately gonna save her. So it's okay.
- [61:51]
B
Right. You're gonna be protected by me. Right? I'm gonna. I'm gonna have everything you could ever want. Love and the love of your life and the person you care about, right?
- [62:02]
A
Well, in that way, it's very. It's a little bit regressive, Right?
- [62:07]
B
Yeah.
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A
Right. That's so. I mean, I. It's a little bit of the. It's a little bit of Pride and Prejudice. I don't know if you've seen the movie. Not there, too. It's kind of money.
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B
No. No. No land, no pride.
- [62:19]
A
No. I'm 27 years old. I have no prospects.
- [62:23]
B
No prospects. Yeah. It's a little bit like saving her off of single island. A little bit.
- [62:29]
A
Yeah. Well, Mr. Darcy in that movie. Which is. Which is Meg Ryan's favorite movie book in the movie. Kathleen Kelly's favorite book, basically, like, is sets his sort of her only option. But she's into it. Right.
- [62:45]
B
Well, that's kind of how this is, too.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I don't know. It's.
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A
Would you date someone who's. Who's. Who put you out of business?
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B
Put Me out of business. And then I guess I would be okay with it, based on the way it's presented here.
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A
Like, that's what I'm saying. The story is told here so charming, so charmingly.
- [63:07]
B
And, like, it's not presented as, like, something she had no ability to have an opinion on. Like, she had the conversation. She's wooing him, he's falling for her, you know, like.
- [63:19]
A
Right.
- [63:20]
B
She does have agency, you know.
- [63:23]
A
Right. Yeah. She could write her own children's book.
- [63:26]
B
Right, Right.
- [63:28]
A
So that's it.
- [63:29]
B
Listen, we did it. We solved you've Got Mail and Dating. I loved watching it. I did have this, like, wistfulness of, like, it made me miss New York. It made me miss a version of New York.
- [63:47]
A
Fall in New York.
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B
Fall in New York. I don't know. It's like, you know, you go. It's a little bit like, what's that thing about the boat that you rebuild around you? Like, I. Because it's like, are we unhappy in this reality more than we would be unhappy in that reality? Or does this just, like, the growth of time and place? Like, you know, you can't stop progress. Like, that's the thing. Like, this is, like, this movie's all about how you can't stop progress. And then I watch it, and I'm like, man, I really wish we stopped progress there. There, Right?
- [64:26]
A
Yeah. No, totally. Yeah. I think there's something that's, like, kind of romantic and pure feeling about, like, 90s intellectuals in the Upper west side, just, like, living a nice life off the. Off the chaos of the Internet. I think it's like, off of the. Off of the cesspool of Internet life where you could just have either real interactions or interactions with one weird person you met in a chat room.
- [64:54]
B
Right.
- [64:55]
A
Not, like 700 people. Yeah, well, with your best friend, Dave Chappelle.
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B
Your best friend, Dave Chappelle. Yeah. Well, all right.
- [65:04]
A
Did a great job in this movie. I thought he was a great comedic relief. A little voice of reason. He was great.
- [65:09]
B
I thought. You know who else I thought was great? The woman Steve's on and the him and her in the bookstore. That girl.
- [65:19]
A
Yeah. They were fun.
- [65:20]
B
She's beautiful. I went and looked her up.
- [65:23]
A
The assistant. She's in Legally Blonde.
- [65:26]
B
She's like the friend in every romcom. I didn't realize that she's, like, has that role kind of, like, everywhere, but I was, like, looking at you now. What's that?
- [65:37]
A
I wonder what she's up to now.
- [65:40]
B
She got put out of business and had to marry her.
- [65:45]
A
It's possible.
- [65:46]
B
You know Miss Congeniality, she was in. Yeah, yeah.
- [65:51]
A
Her. Heather Burns is her name.
- [65:53]
B
She just had this look of like, oh, my God. I can tell. Like someone was like, you're the next thing. Like, she got put in this movie as, like, the next star, you know?
- [66:02]
A
Right. Yeah. But, well, she was very good at that. She's very good at the. At the supporting character.
- [66:08]
B
Totally. Well, all right. We solved it. Great. Watch. We do have another movie. You want us to. Let us know.
- [66:17]
A
Put it in the comments. We'll talk about it. Boom. Bye, batches.