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Unscripted Intelligence
Hosted by The Human Intelligence Movement · EN
Uncharted. Unfiltered. Unavoidable.
A bold podcast exploring the evolving relationship between artificial intelligence and human intelligence. Hosted by Dr. Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross, the show brings educators, leaders, and creators into unscripted conversations about how we live, learn, and lead in an AI-powered world.
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We Named What Matters, Now What?
1w ago01:03:36Tap to summarize🎙️ Uniquely Human | Episode 30Guest: Laurie Guyon + Dan ThomasHost: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle AmentPresented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍 Episode Summary:New York adopted a Portrait of a Graduate built on creativity, critical thinking, communication, and reflection. Educators have been insisting these were the skills that mattered most; now, New York State has named what a diploma should stand for. But naming human skills is not the same as building the skills in a student.That gap is the whole conversation. We know how to teach a fact and test for it. Do we know how to teach a kid to think critically, or to know it when we see it? How do you assess reflection? What does communication look like on a rubric? This is where it gets real. The decisions districts make over the next two years will determine whether this becomes lived practice or another beautiful framework that quietly collects dust. Closing that gap is a daily practice problem, and it lands on the educators standing in front of students right now.Michelle and Arvin sit down with Dan Thomas and Laurie Guyon to ask the question the policy can't answer on its own. What actually moves a human skill from a document into lived experiences?🎤️ About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines, but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging, in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament: Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve.Arvin Ross: Co-Founder of ProSolve, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland: Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗 Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: michelle@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →Game Changers: There's No Such Thing as Digital Citizenship.
2w ago00:22:32Tap to summarize🎤 Live from FETC | There's No Such Thing as Digital Citizenship. Just Citizenship.Guest: Lindy HockenberryHost: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle AmentPresented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍 Episode Summary:Lindy Hockenberry is a K-12 ed tech advisor and strategist based in Montana. At FETC 2026, she sat down to challenge the instinct that keeps creeping back into education: ban the technology, block the tools, act like AI doesn't exist.Her argument is simple and hard to fight. You don't interact with technology through a screen. You interact with it when you walk into a convention center, tap your card at a store, or get into a car. AI is already everywhere. Even someone who ditches social media and carries a flip phone can't avoid it. So the move isn't to hide from it. It's to educate for it.Her unavoidable truth reframes the whole conversation: there is no such thing as digital citizenship. It's just citizenship. The separation between digital and physical interaction is already gone. By 2050, the separation between digital, physical, and biological will be gone too.This one is for every educator who's been told to ban first and ask questions never.🎤️ About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines, but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging, in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament: Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve.Arvin Ross: Co-Founder of ProSolve, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland: Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗 Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →Game Changers: The Failure Space is Golden
3w ago00:18:24Tap to summarize🎤 Live from FETC | The Failure Space is Golden Guest: Austin Levinson Host: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle Ament Presented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍 Episode Summary:What happens when a student earns the certification but freezes the moment the script gets thrown out?Austin Levinson is the Director of Learning at Mega Minds, an immersive learning platform. At FETC 2026, he sat down with Arvin to talk about what compliance can't measure and what AI can actually do when we stop trying to use it to replace teachers.Mega Minds drops students into 3D environments where they meet AI characters, navigate ethical dilemmas, and practice the human skills a worksheet can't teach. A carpenter is weighing whether to finish a job early when she's paid by the hour. A transitional student rehearsing how to open a bank account before stepping into the real one. The point isn't engagement for engagement's sake. It's giving students reps in the human skills they'll actually need on the other side of a credential.Austin's unavoidable truth came in two pieces. First, the CTE space is full of students who are technically savvy and students who are clumsy. Second, the difference between thriving and flopping in the AI era is adaptive expertise, the ability to evolve when circumstances shift, not just bounce back to baseline.This one is for anyone building learning experiences in the AI era who knows that compliance isn't competence and that the failure space might be the most important classroom we have.🎤️ About the Hosts: Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines, but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging, in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament: Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve. Arvin Ross: Co-Founder of ProSolve, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast. Jena Crossland: Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗 Join the Movement: Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: michelle@hi4ai.org Follow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →Game Changers: Plant the Seeds. Then Trust What Grows.
3w ago00:13:15Tap to summarize🎤 Live from FETC | Plant the Seeds. Then Trust What Grows.Guest: Kelly VaughnHost: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle AmentPresented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍 Episode Summary:How many teacher preparation programs in California actually center social, emotional, and cultural competency as their foundation? Kelly Vaughn is the Dean for the School of Education at Notre Dame de Namur University in Belmont, California. At FETC 2026, she talked about what it looks like to rebuild teacher preparation from the inside out, starting not with curriculum standards or compliance requirements but with the human skills that make everything else possible.The partnership with the Center for Reaching and Teaching the Whole Child is in year one of a two-year landscape analysis that studies how NDNU's AI initiatives land through a social-emotional and cultural lens. It's slow, intentional, and designed to stick.Kelly's unavoidable truths came in threes: everyone has a story, so take the time to listen. Say thank you, even when you disagree. And when the stakes are high, focus on the issue, not the person.This one is for anyone in K-12 education or higher ed who knows that the future of learning starts with how we prepare the people who teach.🎤️ About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines, but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging, in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament: Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve.Arvin Ross: Co-Founder of ProSolve, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland: Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗 Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →LIVE at BOOST: You Can't Say It. You Have to Model It.
3w ago00:24:26Tap to summarize🎙️LIVE at BOOST - Episode 2Guest: Elena AriasHost: Arvin Ross Presented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍Episode Summary:Everyone is using AI to move faster. To knock out the emails, the lesson plans, the observations. To do more.But Elena Arias has been in expanded learning for 18 years, and she's watching the wrong things get faster. The operational stuff. The transactional stuff. The work that was never the work.Meanwhile, the actual job — slowing down with a staff member, catching the energy when something's off, asking a kid why they think their teacher sucks instead of telling them not to say that — is getting starved. And so are the people doing it.As Director of Programs for After-School All-Stars Los Angeles, Elena oversees 70+ sites and a team of 10. She's not afraid of AI replacing educators. She's afraid we're using AI to scale the parts of the job that don't matter, while abandoning the parts that do.Live from the BOOST Conference, Elena joins Arvin for a conversation about classroom management that isn't management, leadership that can't be delegated, and why the most uniquely human move a leader can make is to slow down when they have every reason to push through.This conversation is about what we're actually modeling. And whether we have the courage to be the example we keep asking other people to be.🎙️About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines—but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging—in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament, Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve.Arvin Ross, Co-Founder of ProSolve, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland, Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →LIVE at BOOST: The Job Was Never What You Thought
3w ago00:30:11Tap to summarize🎙️LIVE at BOOST - Episode 1Guest: Christopher StephensHost: Arvin Ross Presented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍Episode Summary:Every school in the country is asking what AI will replace. Every administrator is writing policies to manage the chaos. Every teacher is wondering if their job is next.But the real question isn't what AI will take. It's whether we ever understood the job in the first place.The teacher who imparts knowledge was already replaced. The internet did it a decade ago. We just kept building systems to pretend otherwise. Meanwhile, the work that actually matters — seeing a kid, building the relationship, catching the signs no algorithm can read — has been sitting there the whole time, undervalued and unprotected.Christopher Stephens has spent two decades in expanded learning, from preschool teacher to middle school administrator to coordinator for over 100 districts in San Diego County. He's not afraid of AI replacing educators. He's afraid we still don't know what an educator is actually for.Live from the BOOST Conference, Christopher joins Arvin for a conversation about quality, connection, and the kids who turn their lives around not because someone delivered content, but because someone saw them.This conversation is about what the job actually is. And whether we're brave enough to do it🎙️About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines—but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging—in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament, Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve.Arvin Ross, Co-Founder of ProSolve, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland, Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →Our Kids Are Watching Us
May 701:00:44Tap to summarize🎙️ Uniquely Human - Episode 8Guest: Dr. Beverly Pell & Vera CuberoHost: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle AmentPresented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍Episode Summary:Every district in the country is writing AI policies for students. Every family is setting screen time rules for kids. And the adults writing those policies and setting those rules? They’re outsourcing their own thinking, avoiding discomfort, and performing with confidence they don’t feel.We keep asking children to be curious, creative, resilient, and present. Meanwhile, the adults around them have quietly abandoned those same practices. The gap between what we ask of kids and what we actually model has never been wider. And kids are noticing. Dr. Beverly Pell and Vera Cubero join Michelle and Arvin for a conversation that turns the mirror on US, the adults our kids are watching. This conversation is a reckoning with what we’re actually modeling.🎙️About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines—but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging—in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve. Arvin Ross Co-Founder of ProSovle, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →Spot a Real Human-Centered Leader
May 501:03:34Tap to summarize🎙️ Uniquely Human - Episode 7Guest: Dr. Mark Zeiler, Casey Watts, and Dr. De'Shawn WashingtonHost: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle AmentPresented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍Episode Summary:"Human-centered" is everywhere right now.We're in the Intelligence Age, and the language of leadership is inflating faster than the practice is catching up. A chatbot can say "I hear you" with more warmth than some bosses. Leaders are claiming to be human-centered, while the humans around them quietly check out.This week on Unscripted Intelligence, we're going to spot the real ones.Arvin and Michelle sit down with three leaders who are living this every day. Dr. Mark Zeiler, Casey Watts, and Dr. De'Shawn Washington.An unscripted conversation about what human-centered leadership actually looks like when nobody's watching, and how to tell the difference between the leaders who say it and the ones who live it.🎙️About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines—but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging—in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve. Arvin Ross Co-Founder of ProSovle, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →Game Changers: The Fear Isn't AI. It's the Change AI Demands.
May 500:27:08Tap to summarize🎤 Live from FETC | The Fear Isn't AI. It's the Change AI Demands.Guest: Jeff McCoy & Jennifer FerrariHost: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle AmentPresented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍 Episode Summary:Everybody's talking about AI in education. Almost nobody's talking about why the people inside the system are afraid to move.Jeff McCoy and Jennifer Ferrari from ERDI joined us at FETC 2026 for a conversation that got honest fast. These two have spent over a decade working with district leaders and solution providers, sitting at the intersection of what schools say they want and what they're actually willing to change. Right now, the tension is real: we have the technology to personalize learning for the first time ever, and at the same exact moment, there's a growing push to pull screens out of schools entirely.This one is for anyone who's felt the pull between what education could be and what it keeps choosing to stay.🎤️ About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines, but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging, in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament: Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve.Arvin Ross: Co-Founder of ProSolve, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland: Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗 Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
Transcribe →Game Changers: Create More Than You Consume.
Apr 2100:19:37Tap to summarize🎙 Live from FETC | Create More Than You Consume.Guest: Kristen BrooksHost: Arvin Ross + Dr. Michelle AmentPresented by: The Human Intelligence Movement🔍Episode Summary:She had a poster on her wall that said four words: Create More Than You Consume. For 30 years, she meant it.Kristen Brooks just retired from teaching, and on the day she left, she loved it just as much as the day she started. That sentence alone should make every system leader stop and ask: what was she doing that we're not replicating?The answer is simple. Kristen built a creation-based classroom. Not consumption-based. Not test prep. Not sit-and-get. A classroom where students made things, taught each other, and had what she calls shining star moments. The kind some kids never get anywhere else. Not on the football field. Not on stage. But in a classroom where the kid who knew Minecraft better than anyone got to stand up and teach the room.The mindset shift that made it possible: stop being the smartest person in the room. It's not in your contract. When she let go of it, her students stepped in. And the joy went both ways.This one will leave you asking a hard question: is your classroom built for consuming or creating? And who is that really serving?Part of the Game Changers Series, recorded live at FETC 2026.🎙️About the Hosts:Michelle Ament and Arvin Ross come from different generations, experiences, and disciplines—but their unlikely partnership is built on mutual curiosity, deep listening, and a shared belief in the power of human connection. Their conversations are real, unscripted, and often challenging—in all the right ways.Dr. Michelle Ament Co-President of the Human Intelligence Movement & Chief Academic Officer at ProSolve.Arvin Ross Co-Founder of ProSovle, educator, speaker, and adaptability enthusiast.Jena Crossland Production Manager for Unscripted Intelligence and Director of Operations + Marketing for the Human Intelligence Movement.🔗Join the Movement:Website: Humanintelligencemovement.orgEmail: members@hi4ai.orgFollow @HumanIntelligenceMovement on LinkedIn for live shows and episode updates
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