Podcast
Enneagram Interviews: What It's Like To Be You
Hosted by Josh Lavine · EN
Intimate interviews with all Enneagram types. Produced by The Enneagram School & hosted by Josh Lavine. Watch on YouTube @TheEnneagramSchool.
12episodes
Episodes
Newest firstAll episodes
#64: Enneagram Type 9 Panel
Nov 2501:47:38Tap to summarizeDo you ever feel like you're trying to keep it cool, but you’re secretly raging under the surface?If you're a Type 9, or close to one, you’ve likely wrestled with feeling overlooked, overextended, and underboundaried. This rich panel conversation dives into the lived experience of core Type 9s, shedding light on how the desire for peace often masks struggles with anger, identity, and merging with others.Learn how the different wings (9w1 vs. 9w8) shape how Nines handle conflict, personal space, and boundaries.Hear real Enneagram 9s describe how “merging” actually feels in the body, and why it’s not just a metaphor.Discover the surprising assertiveness that emerges when a Nine feels truly safe and situated.Tune in now to hear this heartfelt, funny conversation that will transform how you understand and embody the Nine experience.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro01:03 - Introduction of our 9 panel, type 9 description, topics of merging; boundaries, the body center19:42 - Managing our sensory availability, handling 'violations', individuating while not dissolving, anger revealing needs/attention and performance54:03 - ‘Premature buddha', 9s coming in to their power01:04:42 - Type 9 in leadership, comfort vs 'finding the grooves' to fit in, being a part of the environment vs feeling energetic force fields01:19:13 - Distinctions between 9w1 and 9w8, how a wing supports attachment, different forms of 'peacekeeping', frustration or rejection01:46:30 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9
Transcribe →
#63: Omar (SO/SP 6w7 693) – Being the “Hell Side of Attachment”, Punk Scene Irony, Finding Truth in the Split, and Crawling Back to Life
Aug 2601:50:07Tap to summarizeOmar Sullivan (SO/SP 6w7 693) is an absolutely hilarious and insightful person, sharing how being a Type 6 and growing up with a loyalty to “doing the right thing” collided with an internal drive to poke holes in systems, ideologies, and even his own beliefs. We trace how a Type 6 mind pings between self-doubt and defiant clarity, often using humor as both camouflage and truth-teller—a sort of “jester’s privilege” that lets him say what others won’t. We talk about the contradictions within punk culture, the irony of the sustainability industry, and the emotional truths that surface when a 6 splits inward instead of seeking answers outside. We also touch on the mental gymnastics of manufacturing certainty, ego fixation in relationships, and how being “the man behind the memes” reveals the necessity of division before integration.This is a loaded conversation exploring the energy of 6, the comedy of self-awareness, and how creative life often begins at the fracture point.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro02:52 - Improv in college and creating a lasting impact, anti-elitism and 6 leadership, super-ego and doing the 'right thing'14:39 - Making self laugh, ping-ponging, the humor of 6w7, "the jester's privilege", irony and playing offense to play defense, 3w2 vs 3w4 exploration28:15 - Pointing out the contradictions and irony of the punk scene, so/sp call-outs within the culture, questioning authenticity 37:34 - Holding contradictions within self, community orientation of 6, finding resonances within 'scenes', frustration turns to the eternal seeker, taking things to the extreme to understand it45:02 - Creative tension: the duality of 6s, inner split exposing emotional truths in creativity, getting into Omar's novel and the so/sp 6 arch58:07 - Humor as a survival mechanism, intellectual and detached comparative to 'fighter', relationship to confidence and the 'dark truth'01:06:01 - Manufacturing a sense of certainty through the mental center, better understanding reality, feeling social stability versus rejection01:16:08 - Not pinning self to external explanation: bermuda's tuning inward, so/sp not contextualizing actions in the collective sense, being affected causing alienation01:21:57 - Reinventing self, 'letting loose', being creatively fueled through adventures, the mental imagery of crawling back to life01:31:19 - Navigating relationships and ego fixations, "the truth won't save you", 6 being the hell side of attachment type; roasting 6s01:42:34 - 6's splitting showing ugly necessity of division prior to integration, “the man behind the memes”01:47:57 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6
Transcribe →
#62: Celia Murnock (SP/SO 6w5 613) - Wearing a Seatbelt Through Life, Making Things More Good (Not Just Less Bad), and Certainty as a Moving Target
Aug 1901:39:06Tap to summarizeCelia Murnock (SP/SO 6w5 613) is a Type 6 whose intellectual clarity and emotional precision root our conversation in complexity: her passion for biomedical anthropology becomes a metaphor for her life’s work — finding and teasing out gray areas in a world that demands black-and-white answers. We trace the architecture of Six through her eyes: the struggle to trust her own mind, the looping vigilance against being naïve, and the quiet grief of feeling like the adult in the room since childhood. The conversation moves fluidly between micro and macro, from early recognitions of injustice to the moral orientation that propels her forward — often at great personal cost. We explore the distinctions between 6w5 and 6w7: the cagey inner withdrawal, the instinct to "snip the threads" before attachment hurts too much, and the quiet resistance to being shaped by others’ expectations.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro02:42 - Interests and pathways in education and career. Biomedical anthropology: finding and teasing out the gray areas, solving intricate/systemic problems12:28 - Not trusting the human mind; the finite and subjective experience, 6s horrified awareness, understanding and orienting to reality and certainty21:27 - 6w5 versus 6w7, 5 wanting to 'snip the threads', sensitivities to attachment 'mismatches'26:05 - Childhood recognitions of morality, 6s realism and 'calling out the thing', an inherent obligation to not be short-sighted by clarity and subjectivity, self-justification to 'making a stink'39:09 - Structural rigidity, macro vs micro and personal philosophies of life, stepping away from the microscope, injustices of the world47:33 - "Too many arteries bleeding"; super-ego of 6, being a porcupine or a bottle of soda that's been shaken, inner pressure, wearing a seatbelt in life56:51 - Struggling to find serenity, current life situation and tracking decisions through type structure, identity wrapped up into being the certainty01:11:35 - Making things more good instead of less bad, 'soul purpose'; depth over breadth 01:22:20 - 6w5 cagey nature, "I'm not trying to not touch you, I'm trying to keep you from touching me", private internal withdrawal, not signing the contract, expectations vs responses01:30:48 - Making a mess, cleaning up after ourselves, 6-1 stem reflections, resignation with attachments01:37:10 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6
Transcribe →
#61: Elisa (SP/SX 3w2 378) - Erotic Atmospheres, Mastering the Social Game, and Building a Business from the Bones of Hyper-Independence
Aug 1202:02:06Tap to summarizeElisa (SP/SX 3w2 378) joins us for a rich and layered conversation that weaves together identity, performance, and the relentless pursuit of autonomy. A pole and circus studio founder with a deep instinct for self-reinvention, Elisa moves through life like a well-rehearsed act — equal parts precision and provocation. We talk about what it means to build a life around something still stigmatized by the mainstream, the tension between personal truth and social acceptability, and how visibility can be both a risk and a reclamation. Throughout, Elisa reflects on the roots of her drive — a childhood that demanded self-reliance, an early mistrust of authority, and a bone-deep resistance to being boxed in. We explore the challenges of delegation when control has always been survival, and the vulnerability required to teach, lead, and create in front of others. There’s a powerful thread here about embodiment as empowerment: how performance can become a site of healing, defiance, and radical honesty.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro03:30 - Social blind 3 running a circus & pole studio, 'expansion' definition as triple assertive, 3's pride of business09:19 - Perception as a social blind 3, trust and autonomy in business, being an 'idea machine'16:34 - Sp/sx importance of atmosphere, eroticism within career26:19 - Approval of parents as a type 3, being consumed with a fire to fulfill 'who I am', struggling during COVID and taking things personally35:59 - Core 3 'keeps a lid' on energetic 7 and 8 fixes, 3 believing "I can do anything", learning the 'social game' in business42:31 - Being curious in the social instinct, tracking others' gaze/values, 3w2 anticipating others' needs but not clocking social nuances50:29 - Instructor experience, impersonal impact on others, relating to control in relationships61:15 - Separation/boundaries in professional relationships, seeking or deflecting validation, vulnerability in the sexual instinct and performance01:13:18 - Being a competence type, honing your craft, having an interest vs running a business, obsession with self-improvement01:24:26 - Childhood reflections; energetic and unfiltered, not participating in early school institutions01:34:59 - Self-worth vs social accolades, the role of teachers, seeking essential value through productivity01:43:07 - Not identifying with victimhood, difficulties accepting help/delegation, being an emotional support child, hyper-independence01:52:54 - Putting whole self into work, delivering excellence, 3w2 empathy can override necessary negative interactions02:00:05 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram3
Transcribe →
#60: Alex (SO/SP 6w7 693): Changing Inherited Reality Perspectives, Having “Mental Real Estate”, and the Exhaustion of Being One’s Own Vetting System
Aug 501:26:07Tap to summarizeAlex (SO/SP 6w7 693) joins us for a deep dive into the often-misunderstood inner terrain of the Social Six — where loyalty is a vigilant scan for danger, and the mind’s ceaseless activity is less about worry than about building a livable world. From the outset, Alex speaks to the dissonance of being typed as a Six, resisting the caricatures and one-dimensional projections that cling to the type. We explore the deep patterns of fear and mental over-responsibility that began in childhood: a sense of being a small, visible target in a world ruled by unseen authority. Alex opens up about health anxiety, asexuality, and the complexity of labels — both how they can offer coherence and how they can confine. Alex also brings in the character of Zuko from our shared favorite show Avatar: The Last Airbender as a mirror of his own journey — from rigid loyalty to false authority, through crisis, to a reclamation of inner truth. Together, we explore how Six navigates the labyrinth of mental gates that must be opened before love can be received, and how trust — in the self, in others, in life — is painstakingly built, tested, and sometimes, finally, allowed.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro02:31 - Participating in Enneagram communities, creating memes while waiting for typing results, reacting to being type 6, unpacking the projections onto 6, "finding a mental home"12:27 - Being a 'cog in the machine', erasing individualization, a "thought-terminating cliche", having mental tweezers 17:10 - Childhood memories, fearing authority larger than parents, fear/anxiety of being a "sitting duck" to external powers23:36 - "Going haywire", the vetting mechanism of 6, fearing and joking about death29:01 - Ketamine treatment, expanding perspectives assisting with anxiety, limited "mental real estate", social narratives and afterthoughts, an unreliable narrator38:09 - 6s not taking responsibility for personal perspectives, pinging off of others, judgment off of 'needing others', self-honoring and life-giving, self-sufficiency narratives46:03 - 6s archetypal connection to labels, being asexual, attention to collective ideals/gaze52:30 - self-deprecation being limiting, therapy, social rejection, deconstructing 'what I deserve to have/want", identifying the super-ego59:11 - not making progress, fear of social vulnerability, 6's inner splitting, exploring the underdog position01:06:59 - Avatar the Last Airbender; relating to the Zuko character arch, shedding the false authorities, enacting personal will, changing inherited reality perspectives01:16:22 - 'vetting' self-love, matrix of mental gates, a core need to have 'right' orientation, observing the other center's participation01:23:54 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6
Transcribe →
#59: Aurel (SO/SP 6w7 693) – Understanding/Expressing Identity, Reliable Orientation with Memory Loss, and Sounding the Alarm
Jul 2901:29:26Tap to summarizeAurel (SO/SP 6w7 693) experienced a major stroke in early adulthood—an event that unraveled his sense of self and fractured his memory. What happens when your personal history goes missing? In this conversation, Aurel reflects on the slow, painful reconstruction of identity and how trauma rewrites not just the past, but the present narrative. We talk about radical empathy, activism, and the emotional labor of confronting systemic injustice while piecing together who you are. This is a deep dive into Type 6 themes—humility, doubt, the search for expertise, and the existential anxiety that rides alongside all of it. Aurel also shares how role-playing games became a surprising avenue for self-exploration, offering both escape and insight. Gender, memory, social responsibility, and the long arc of healing—it’s all here, held together by a steady curiosity about what it means to tell the truth, especially when the truth feels scattered.LINKSLearn at The Enneagram Schoolhttps://theenneagramschool.com/Intro Coursehttps://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-courseGet Typedhttps://www.enneagrammer.com/Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994House of Enneagramhttps://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Intro05:45 - Grounding to a sense of reliable orientation as a core mental type carrying significant memory loss09:37 - Mosaic of identity: pieces of Aurel's life, "firming up" to actually get better attachments14:56 - Being 'proactively solid', having a passionate moral compass, feeling guilt backlash19:36 Anti-fascism, practicing good discernment, community care-taking21:01 "Can we put a time stamp on this so people who aren't white don't have to hear about how I learned to care about racism if they don't want to?"23:44 - Social core 6 'sounding the alarm' to this reality, searching for and spreading truth through the 'best information'31:55 - A fascination with information, 6 wing 7 'play mode', anti-arrogance of 6, "I don't want to be responsible for your orientation"35:17 - Navigating influence and value, proselytizing mode, anti-elitism and self-erasure of the 6-9 stem46:17 - Role-playing games as an artistic form to navigate different aspects of self and identity53:07 - Intersection of memory loss and identity, "none of us hold all of ourselves", not being certain of self-perceptions01:02:14 - Gender Identity, re-inventing yourself, the complexities of social labels, 6s ability to see the categories held by the collective mind01:11:44 - Gender expression through the sexual instinct, sexual blind 6 afraid of 'being caught', sexual versus social attunement, finding 'flavor' through the arts but having 3 last01:26:43 - OutroCREDITSInterview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6
Transcribe →
#58: Mar (SP/SX 7w6 794) – Impulsive Vision, Finality in Fiction, and the Existential Weight of Losing Sea Monkeys
Jul 2201:56:26Tap to summarizeMar (SP/SX 7w6 794) joins us for a luminous, chaotic dive into the inner world of an SP Seven — where optimism burns like a flare, vision outpaces feasibility, and connection is often a puzzle missing key pieces. Mar touches on her social blindness — the kind that makes small talk feel like calculus and leads to well-meaning intensity that others don't always know how to receive. We explore her writing, which orbits themes of fate, finality, and surrealism — what she calls “pocket knife stories” for their compact emotional heft. This conversation also opens space for harder truths: her relationship with alcohol as both amplifier and isolator, the tension between reckless vitality and the longing for groundedness, and the ongoing work of integrating a self built on speed with one that can sit still. At the heart of it all is a question familiar to many Sevens: What does it mean to choose presence, when flight feels like freedom? Link to Mar's writing; https://www.marovsheid.com/LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 03:28 - Understanding enneagram typing before knowing the enneagram, something the personality is doing that isn't 'baseline', being different from the average mold 07:56 - Navigating social interactions as a social blind, blindspot not holding nuance 14:47 - Social dismissal, writing as self-value, 4 fix misattunement 22:36 - Type 7 instant gratification seeking, getting what you want from a young age, objects of desire, the dachshund story 32:42 - Making luck: balancing action/faith, assertiveness without pragmatism 40:19 - Vision of a solar-powered future, self-preservation 7 lacking stick-to-itiveness 48:12 - Fragility of dreams/weight of the past, looking to be optimally nourished, difficulty reflecting 59:37 - Mar's relationship to writing, type 7 always looking to the next thing, 4w5 constantly reworking self 01:04:28 - Finality and tragedy in art, fragility of existence 01:17:51 - Nature of writing and self-expression, 'giving the symbols legs', the inner tension between 2 poles 01:26:58 - Staying power of writing while being a 7 01:37:32 - Navigating alcohol as a tool, sp/sx not feeling answerable to social, curling into self 01:54:12 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram7
Transcribe →
#57: Cassandra Carol (SP/SO 9w8 972): Navigating Trauma as a Triple-Positive Type, the High Energy of 9w8, and Putting the Pieces of Self Back Together
Jul 1501:45:18Tap to summarizeCassandra Carol (SP/SO 9w8 972) joins us for a raw and resonant conversation about what it means to carry deep emotional weight while moving gently through the world. Cass, a high-energy and incredibly polite Nine, opens up about surviving childhood abuse, navigating a turbulent past marriage, and understanding the complex aspects of her unique Enneagram type with precision. We explore the paradox of a Nine who feels “too much” in a world that asks her to be less — the push-pull of wanting to merge without disappearing, of protecting others without burning out. Cass’s Enneagram journey (including strong 7 and 2 fixes) becomes a map for understanding her deep instincts to nurture, accommodate, and endure — even at great personal cost. Cass’s episode is an expression of what it means to hold both ferocity and fragility — and to choose growth anyway. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Intro 03:17 - Looking at the typing as a whole - 9w8 7w8 2w3 - how the fixes ‘give energy’ to the 9 core. Interpersonal positioning, reacting to and processing early trauma, not presenting the ‘real me’. 11:35 - Being triple positive, each type doesn’t want sadness. Rejection in type cuts off irritants. 16:56 - Divorce, talking about trauma with a fun ‘poppy’ energy, nature versus nurture and resiliency levels in type. (intro clip around 15:00) 22:19 - Body center ‘testing’ its own strength after past trauma, reflecting on 8’s influence on self-judgement, fluctuating between personal emotional control and porousness. 37:16 - Boondock Saints, religion, and past relationships 46:12 - 6 versus 9w8 relationship history and dynamic, 7s aversion to controlling others, speaking truth 55:11 - ‘putting on’ the bad bitch energy, taking on motherhood having mama bear energy, 9’s endurance 59:10 - understanding 2 energy, 2 fix glorified in christian culture, 9w8 sensitivity to being ‘too much’ 1:17:12 - positive fantasy, parenting with rejection influences, contradicting parts of type creating inner narratives 1:26:50 - dazzling therapists without getting to the heart, self-soothing obsessions, coming to a close CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9
Transcribe →
#56: Ruth (SX/SO 9w1 973): Seductive Merging with the Divine, the Rude Awakening of Self-Care, and Reclaiming Sensation Through the Body
Jul 801:41:40Tap to summarizeRuth (SX/SO 9w1 973) joins us for a luminous and radical exploration of the Sexual 9's longing for union — with God, with others, and, ultimately, with herself. From an early age, Ruth’s life was shaped by profound mystical experiences: claiming Jesus at three, and at nine, encountering a vision of him entering her body — not metaphorically, but viscerally, as a wave of physical love. These moments left an imprint, becoming the compass by which she navigated the world — always reaching for a love that could hold her entire being. We explore how this early spiritual intensity tethered her to external sources of nourishment — church, relationships, ideals — while a deeper hunger for selfhood remained dormant, waiting to be reclaimed. Her story takes a sharp turn in her late 30s, when a “rude awakening” forced her to prioritize self-care and embodiment. What unfolds is a quiet revolution: the shift from merging to individuation, from numbing to sensation, from floating in spirit to landing in body. Google Doc containing all of Ruth’s poems, art, and links; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_HCMlPkNOTMyt87PAmhI36jPTIIR71PaTxFw6oYDa5A/edit?usp=sharing LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 03:20 - Unburdening the self from a narrative arch 13:07 - Self-preservation blind externalizing the body through the church 30:57 - Abandoning will and choice in areas of life 34:59 - Sexual dominant; ecstatic states causing self-abandonment 45:55 - ‘Go find your mountain’; stepping into the world with confidence 50:44 - Questioning faith, ‘the fall’ to Earth and becoming a person 1:00:50 - Building a tolerance to regulating stress 1:11:44 - Connecting with the mundane self-preservation independently 1:21:28 - Understanding the natural rhythms and life force of the body 1:39:16 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9
Transcribe →
#55 Anna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) - Music as Mirror, Emotional Fragmentation, and the Integrative Pulse of the Body Center
Jul 101:25:50Tap to summarizeAnna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) returns for a second conversation—this time reflecting on the shifts she's experienced since our last recording. We begin with a live performance of her original song Wings for the Heart, a piece that emerged in the wake of personal rupture and now stands as both witness and balm. What follows is a layered exploration of emotional fragmentation, the disorienting effects of internal and external turbulence, and the slow, deliberate work of reweaving oneself from the inside out. Anna speaks candidly about a transformative road trip with her family that cracked something open—making space for parts of herself she’d long kept at bay. We discuss the cost of emotional suppression, the subtle tensions in relational dynamics, and the grounded power that comes from living with greater authenticity. What emerges is the portrait of a Nine learning to inhabit her full aliveness, not by transcending conflict but by letting all the pieces have a seat at the table. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Intro 7:31 - Following the bird song, the healing power of music, Performance of 'Wings for the Heart' 16:20 - Embracing vulnerability in art, heart receiving, a 9 in her element 20:36 - 9s line to 3, saturating a space with energy, showing up as 'I Am' 23:10 - Reflections since the previous interview, coping between internal and external world, "competency cringe" 28:03 - Noticing 'numbness' in presence, self-location versus fragmented states, 'needing time to arrive' 36:03 - Incongruences with life force, realignment with self by taking on a solid form, family road trip 47:43 - Not having a backlog of emotions or rage, 'bigness' of 9, transforming the need to manage oneself 52:34 - Embracing conflict and personal sovereignty, living in the space between myself and others 55:28 - Journaling/posting during travel leads to finding inner voice and framing of experience, feeling at home in my world 61:15 - Parenting with presence and clarity, "I'm more than just 'mom'", allowing struggles to exist in a child's life 01:08:30 - Integration of different threads of self, congruence within relationships 01:11:43 - Surrendering to self-authenticity, attachment dynamics shifting, a new energetic body 01:23:04 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9
Transcribe →