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Welcome to the “Second in Command” Podcast hosted by Cameron Herold, brought to you by the COO Alliance, where top-level COOs share their insights, tactics, and strategies that made them the Chief Behind the Chief.
Cameron Herold founded the COO Alliance with one simple goal in mind: to provide COOs with the same professional development and growth opportunities CEOs have enjoyed for many years. COO Alliance is the world's leading network for the Second in Command.
Cameron Herold is a top business consultant, best-selling author, and speaker. He’s the mastermind behind hundreds of companies’ exponential growth and he’s touched thousands of businesses indirectly through his work.
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Ep. 543 - Vanguard Properties COO David Chol - From Burnout to Breakthrough: The New Rules of Team Building
Jan 800:48:21Summary readyEver feel overwhelmed by the impossible task of scaling a team without losing your soul or your culture? You’re not alone… or powerless.In this episode, Sivana Brewer is joined by David Chol, COO of Vanguard Properties, for a candid conversation about breaking through isolation, banishing burnout, and the rare leadership moves every operator needs to hear (but never gets taught).They dive deep into why “quality over quantity” culture trumps complexity, how to actually build people (not just systems), and what happens when you ditch the rulebook and trust your gut. Learn proven ways to create psychological safety, unleash autonomy, and develop team members you never realized were hiding in plain sight.Listen now if you want a legendary team, not headaches. Tune in today to steal the strategies you won’t find on any corporate checklist and avoid the silent cost of letting your best people stagnate.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The wild, serendipitous story of how an overseas friendship turned into a game-changing recruiting move[01:24] – “Quality over quantity”: The Vanguard way of winning big without getting bigger[04:46] – Why career-crushing heartbreaks can open doors to your best opportunities—and why David welcomes them[10:17] – There was no playbook: What happens when you’re handed your “dream job” and left to sink or swim[13:15] – Surprising truths: What David really discovered about himself when the safety nets disappeared[19:04] – The secret to creating a culture of radical autonomy without chaos—or loss of accountability[21:10] – Why most interviews are fake (and how to truly get to know someone before you hire them)[31:35] – The 15-calls-a-day ritual: The proven method that keeps hidden talent from falling through the cracks[38:03] – Exactly how to keep your best people growing—plus the overlooked dangers of ignoring their untapped skills[42:07] – The harsh realities no one tells COOs about—plus honest ways to navigate “second in command” constraintsAbout the GuestDavid Chol is the Chief Operating Officer of Vanguard Properties, the Bay Area’s largest independent and LGBT-led brokerage, boasting 500+ agents and a forty-year legacy. A lifelong real estate operator with roots ranging from private equity to technology, David is known for building standout cultures and pioneering people-first leadership strategies that drive growth, even when markets are in turmoil. At Vanguard, he champions autonomy, radical honesty, and transforming hidden staff potential into real company wins.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesJames Nunemaker (Vanguard CEO)Frank Nolan (Vanguard President/Co-Owner)Pam Ruffino (Director of Agent Success)About the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 542 - Vinali Group COO and Co-Founder Ruth Velez - Uncommon Wins: The Proven Way to Lead with Vision Under Fire
Jan 600:43:25Summary readyAre you facing the pressure to reinvent your business before it’s too late? Imagine your cash flow vanishing, your team at risk, and your market shifting overnight.In this candid, deeply human episode, Sivana Brewer talks to Ruth Velez, COO and co-founder of Vinali Group, who led her company from the brink of collapse during COVID through a string of audacious pivots to global growth. Ruth exposes the real emotional rollercoaster behind leading with your partner, building culture across borders, hiring and keeping amazing talent, and never losing faith, no matter how chaotic it gets.This episode isn’t just about operations, it’s about surviving, adapting, and growing stronger together. Listen now to avoid the pain of stalling out, wasting years on the wrong models, or letting fear keep you stuck. Don’t miss Ruth’s rare, actionable insights. You won’t get this level of honesty or inside story anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The bold moment Ruth and her husband decided failure was NOT an option[02:50] – How COVID nearly destroyed their staffing business—and the exact pivot that saved them[03:59] – Recruiting from Colombia: training from scratch to building a cross-border powerhouse[05:45] – Nearshoring vs. offshoring: hidden advantages for cost, culture, trust[08:52] – Security, HR, and team-building—the true reasons to use a staffing partner[12:00] – Grit and transparency: the secret to client loyalty during chaos[17:48] – Marriage + business: the COO/CEO dynamic, picking which wild ideas to follow[24:06] – Being the “options queen”—conquering doubts and finding your strengths[33:42] – Building legacy: raising entrepreneurial kids in a family business[35:34] – Only work with clients who TRULY fit—how that changed everythingAbout the GuestRuth Velez is COO and co-founder of Vinali Group, an international nearshore staffing company headquartered in Orlando, FL with offices in Colombia and across Latin America. Ruth is known for operational excellence, culture-building, and helping US companies leverage nearshoring for both trust and talent.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesPPP Loan (COVID relief program)EOS – Entrepreneurial Operating SystemISO 27001 (cybersecurity certification)Alex and Layla Hormozi (business couple)Traffic and Conversion Summit (business conference)Blockbuster, Redbox, Netflix (examples of pivoting, business adaption)About the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 541 - Brand Built COO Meghan Donnelly - How Automation Unlocks Freedom And Calm Now
Jan 201:06:26Summary readyAre you drowning in busywork, feeling alone at the top, and itching to create a business that lets you actually live?In this episode, host Sivana Brewer talks with the dynamic Meghan Donnelly, COO of Brand Built, who reveals how neurodivergence and automation can become your most thrilling business superpowers.You’ll get the raw truth on turning chaos into opportunity, why clean data unlocks peace of mind, and the revolutionary systems that make a five-person team outperform companies with hundreds.If you want to break the chains of burnout, build a brand you love, and create the operational lifestyle most entrepreneurs only dream about… this real, radically honest episode is your shortcut. Listen now or risk falling even further behind. These are actionable insights you won’t hear anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why “stop working” might be the smartest advice for results[03:39] – The accidental secrets of scaling despite ADHD—and how neurodiversity can become a victory[07:52] – How being first and different as a woman in tech nearly broke Meghan Donnelly[13:47] – The surprising trap of big projects—and the revolutionary 30-day solution[20:13] – A radical approach to getting business partnerships that pay forever[27:21] – The automation freak’s shocking rule: automate, delegate, then eliminate[44:47] – How poor onboarding quietly destroys teams and revenues (and the proven fix)[52:03] – Loom + AI SOPs: The must-know trick for effortless documentation[58:29] – Why most business goals keep you stuck—and the “life-first” blueprintAbout the GuestMeghan Donnelly is the Chief Operating Officer of Brand Built, a fast-growing peer-to-peer coaching community for founders focused on LinkedIn branding and business automation. With 15+ years in digital operations, Meghan Donnelly has gone from coder to corporate leader to founder, transforming her ADHD diagnosis into entrepreneurial firepower. She’s known for building operational systems that are so lean and automated, five people can run what usually takes fifty. She’s also the creator of the Queen of Automation podcast and Digital Magic CRM SaaS.🔗 LinkedIn | Website | PodcastMentioned ResourcesDigital Magic CRMNat Berman (LinkedIn expert, founder)Darren Mass (Brand Built founder, exited entrepreneur)Go High Level (software platform)LoomNotionSlackGoogle WorkspaceChatGPTEntrepreneurial Operating System (EOS, referenced in approach)Vivid Vision (Cameron Herold’s book)About the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 540 - The Phoenix Method COO Matt Rhodes - The Proven Mindset That Every Thriving COO Now Loves
Dec 3000:41:03Summary readyWhat if the only way to build a company and a life with true resilience was to let everything break? Are you burned out, questioning leadership, or stuck in a plateau while everyone expects you to “scale perfectly”?In this episode, host Sivana Brewer sits down with Matt Rhodes, COO of The Phoenix Method and co-founder of Polaris Capital Investments. Matt shares his raw story of rising from rock bottom, both in business and marriage, using a radical combination of systems, self-accountability, and explosive mindset shifts.Discover how Matt and his wife Jen rebuilt trust, transformed company culture, and mastered the uncomfortable art of letting go… all while weathering the chaos of COVID and scaling new ventures.Skip the endless analysis and unlock the real, actionable playbook for bouncing back stronger. Tune in now or risk staying stuck in mediocrity. This episode is an exclusive masterclass for COOs tired of perfection and ready for exceptional impact.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why COOs must “let systems break” to escape perfection traps[01:16] – The harsh wake-up call that shattered business—and marriage[04:01] – How COVID exposed fragile culture—and forced total reinvention[07:07] – The critical hiring shift: moving from sales stars to customer-first teams[10:33] – Letting go, delegation, and the painful process that actually fueled growth[13:52] – Fresh eyes: Why bringing in outsiders is the hidden superpower in scaling[15:17] – The vital metrics Matt tracks weekly to prevent disaster before it hits[19:07] – How Matt and Jen divided CEO/COO roles to leverage their strengths[24:02] – Why top COOs never go it alone—the ROI (and resistance) of world-class coaching[32:12] – Breaking isolation: Why environment and peer groups are every COO’s money-making secret[36:43] – The one mindset shift that transformed results, inside and outAbout the GuestMatt Rhodes is the COO of The Phoenix Method and co-founder of Polaris Capital Investments, with over 25 years of leadership experience across corporate America, fitness franchises, and strategic investing. Known for his real-world resilience and trailblazing company culture turnarounds, Matt is a go-to coach for leaders intent on transforming challenges into growth opportunities. His current roles reflect his commitment to systems-led scaling, paired with the uncommon honesty few executives dare to share.🔗 LinkedIn | Website | Facebook | InstagramMentioned ResourcesRam DassSnap FitnessClosers.ioEOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System)Mindset CoachingBurning ManAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 539 - Taco Johns COO Jackie Secor - Why Emotional Strength Now Outperforms Expertise
Dec 2600:47:55Summary readyEver feel like you’re stuck fixing fires instead of building teams that actually thrive? Imagine stepping into a legacy brand, mobilizing hundreds of operators, and transforming your culture from confused to unbeatable, all while modernizing for the future.In this episode, Cameron Herold gets real with Jackie Secor, COO of Taco John’s. She’s a 25-year franchise and operations veteran who reveals how trust, creativity, and emotional intelligence drive relentless brand loyalty and profit. They dive deep into promoting insiders, learning from the front line, fighting standardization chaos, and using AI to cut real problems, not just hype.If you’re tired of leadership fluff and want the actual proven moves great COOs use to build legendary teams, this episode is your advantage. Press play right now if you want to stop the pain of high turnover, poor culture, or outdated systems and get the inside story you’ll never hear anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why problem-dropping is forbidden in Jackie’s office[03:01] – The unexpected challenges facing any new COO in a legacy brand[04:06] – Why the right network beats experience every time[07:42] – Jaw-dropping fix: How she clawed back operational standardization[09:21] – The hidden dangers of outsourced audits (and how Jackie reversed them)[13:30] – How stretch assignments reveal real leaders, not just performers[15:04] – Emotional intelligence: The operator’s secret weapon[17:42] – How Jackie coaches Gen Z talent when they want the corner office—now[20:03] – The shocking empathy learned on the franchisee side[25:41] – Standardizing the most controversial taco technique: meat on bottom or side?![29:13] – Multi-generation success—how Taco John’s beats the odds other brands can’t[32:03] – Are robots and AI the real next move, or total overkill?[36:03] – Why “get back to basics” wins versus flashy ideas every time[37:46] – The one job in the restaurant nobody envies (and why it matters for culture)[43:31] – Redefining quality and value, even as giants like Chipotle pivot fast[44:04] – Why every franchisor MUST run their own locations for credibility[45:56] – The advice Jackie wishes she got at 21 (and warns every young COO today)About the GuestJackie Secor is the Chief Operating Officer at Taco John’s, a fast-growing, family-owned restaurant brand with a passionate multi-generation franchise base. With over 25 years’ experience across both franchisee and franchisor sides, including at Auntie Anne’s, she’s renowned for building high-performance teams, driving operational turnarounds, and modernizing legacy operations through creativity and emotional intelligence.🔗LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesAuntie Anne’sGO To FoodsInternational Franchise Association (IFA)Heather Neary (Taco John’s CEO)Presto AIChipotle1-800-GOT-JUNKStarbucks USASprint acquired by T-MobileImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 538 - FAN FAVORITE | ClickFunnels Former COO Ryan Montgomery - How to Build an Unstoppable Distributed Team
Dec 2300:47:30Summary readyEver wondered why so many remote teams fall apart while others scale to $100M and beyond… without burning out? This episode is a raw, practical look at exactly what it takes to build and lead a remote-first organization that actually works, not just in theory, but in the trenches.Cameron Herold sits down with Ryan Montgomery, COO of ClickFunnels, to expose the real playbook behind thriving distributed teams, rapid-fire decision making, relentless innovation, and building systems that keep a visionary CEO’s wildest ideas on track. You’ll hear the battle-tested culture moves, hiring decisions, and frameworks that eliminated chaos as ClickFunnels vaulted from scrappy startup to industry king.Don’t let unpredictable growth, relentless tech changes, or a “too many ideas” CEO destroy your progress! Listen now for exclusive, battle-proven insights you won’t get on any other COO podcast. Miss this conversation and risk getting left behind chasing hacks instead of building something legendary.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – How a rejected idea turned into a $100M phenomenon[02:35] – The radical decision that forever changed ClickFunnels’ growth[04:28] – Why most teams struggle with remote culture—and the proven fix[09:55] – The secret to keeping a visionary CEO happy without burning out your team[13:39] – What to throw away from your last company if you want to survive hypergrowth[18:44] – How ClickFunnels keeps employee turnover shockingly low[25:31] – The Go Meeting: an addiction for solving obstacles at lightning speed[32:06] – When and why “killing sacred cows” saved the company[41:03] – What Ryan wishes he’d known before leading thousands through explosive changeAbout the GuestRyan Montgomery is the Former Chief Operating Officer at ClickFunnels, where he’s been instrumental in scaling the company from a small startup to a global, remote-first powerhouse serving nearly 100,000 customers. A seasoned software engineer and relentless problem solver, Ryan is celebrated for building high-performance teams, architecting resilient systems, and distilling visionary energy into repeatable growth engines.🔗 WebsiteResources & MentionsRemote (book, Jason Fried & David Heinemeier Hansson)Rework (book, Jason Fried & David Heinemeier Hansson)Play Bigger (book)Silos, Politics and Turf Wars (book, Patrick Lencioni)The Advantage (book, Patrick Lencioni)V2MOM (Salesforce/Mark Benioff framework)Harvard Business Review – The Misunderstood Role of the COOOperation Underground RailroadRussell BrunsonTodd DickersonTony RobbinsDean GraziosiGenius NetworkInfusionsoft by KeapShopifySalesforceAmazonImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 537 - Equiton Developments COO Christopher Wein – How EOS Drives Remarkable Calm in Rapid Growth
Dec 1801:06:56Summary readyAre you caught in the chaos of growth, struggling to build a team that actually wins together—not just on paper? In this unflinching episode, Sivana Brewer sits down with Christopher Wein, COO of Equiton Developments and a heavy-hitter in North American real estate, to crack open the mechanics of true team performance.Discover why chemistry, not just talent, is the heart of unstoppable teams, how to identify toxic “A-players” before they destroy your culture, and the essential systems that cut out waste and ramp up productivity. Plus, get an inside look at how a real estate powerhouse harnesses AI, brand, and leadership psychology to fuel constant growth.If you crave a more empowered team and want to sidestep the burnout and drama most operators face, you need to hear this conversation—right now. Wait, and you risk falling (further) behind leaders who are already applying these exclusive insights.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – How chemistry—not talent—makes or breaks a winning team [05:00] – The “invisible” signals leaders use to spot misalignment early [11:25] – Wein’s ruthless approach to first-90-day change… and why waiting kills progress [16:48] – The surprising danger of superstar hires (and how to prevent toxicity) [26:38] – Crafting vision: where execs must dictate and where teams must own it [33:02] – What real productivity looks like—inside a COO’s hyper-productive day [40:17] – The tool myth: how misused systems actually crush company growth [53:46] – Revolutionary leadership: From “making” to “causing” results without the dramaMentioned ResourcesQuickBooks Microsoft Teams Slack ChatGPTVivid Vision by Cameron Herold King Charles III Coronation Medal Calgary Top 40 under 40About the GuestChristopher Wein is the Chief Operating Officer of Equiton Developments, a private equity real estate firm with 18,000 investors and a national development portfolio. Known for over 25 years of operational leadership across Canada and the United States, Wein is an industry innovator in sustainable building and high-performing leadership teams. He’s received top honors, including Calgary’s Top 40 Under 40 and the King Charles III Coronation Medal for philanthropy. Connect with Christopher for proven wisdom on team scale, chemistry, and vision-driven operations.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 536 - Ally Waste COO Harrison Crum - Profitable Growth in the “Trash to Treasure” Industry
Dec 1600:40:08Summary readyEver felt overwhelmed by relentless growth, leadership friction, or the challenge of building teams that actually scale? What if you could gain proven, insider strategies for multiplying operations by 20X while keeping chaos at bay?In this bold episode, Cameron Herold sits down with Harrison Crum, Chief Operating Officer of Ally Waste, to unpack the rarely-told story behind scaling a national waste-services brand—now operating in 40 states, with over 1,500 employees and a mission to dominate a niche few understand.They dig deep on developmental leadership, acquisition integration, ruthless prioritization, and using tech and AI for surprising advantage. If you want to dodge burnout, outpace competitors, and solve execution pain now, don’t wait—this conversation reveals real advantages you won’t find anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Harrison spills how sales intelligence and regional structure turn cold prospects into loyal clients[02:31] – Why the “doorstep to dumpster” model wins in multi-family and what luxury tenants secretly value[04:33] – The ugly side of apartment junk and how subscription junk removal flips the profit script[07:03] – Ally Waste’s national play: how to dominate fragmented markets and win big contracts[09:29] – Commercial expansion temptations: the real use cases for “waste leveling” in strip malls[13:58] – Navigating hauler relationships, unions, and the anti-mafia garbage wars in New York & New Jersey[16:51] – How 20X growth nearly broke the company—and the relentless focus that turned chaos into margin[21:43] – Acquisitions decoded: finding the right people, fixing culture, and building tech that actually scales[26:04] – Are robots or AI coming for waste? Harrison’s thrilling vision for how tech could flip the industry[32:01] – The Ally Way: promoting leaders from within, tough-core values, and intentional developmentAbout the GuestHarrison Crum is the Chief Operating Officer of Ally Waste, a fast-growing, multi-state waste services provider specializing in multifamily and commercial property solutions. With deep experience in Fortune 500 and private sector operations—including past roles at Republic Services and Ford—he’s known for scaling Ally’s operations by 20X in four years, championing high-retention business models, and building game-changing technology for dirty jobs. Harrison is a seasoned leader in acquisition integration, organizational development, and culture-driven execution.🔗LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned Resources1-800-GOT-JUNKRepublic ServicesGFLWaste ConnectionsNational Apartment Association (NAA)Babson College (Harrison’s MBA alma mater)How to Win Friends and Influence People (book)Dare to Lead by Brené Brown (book)Leadership and Self-Deception (book)The One Minute Manager (book)Claude (AI tool)ChatGPT (AI tool)Fyxer (AI email tool)Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 534 - FAN FAVORITE | Mindvalley Co-Founder Kshitij Minglan - Fail-Proof Strategies Gen Y Leaders Really Love
Dec 900:47:58Summary readyEver wonder why most companies struggle to scale real culture as fast as they grow? What if the right blend of purpose, freedom, and radical alignment could make your team unstoppable?In this Fan Favorite episode, Cameron Herold sits down with Kshitij Minglani, co-founder of Mindvalley Quests and serial entrepreneur, to unpack the proven playbook behind building a revolutionary “cult-like” workplace where high-performers thrive, politics die, and radical innovation flourishes. They explore OKRs that spark action, mantras that force clarity, remote team magic, and how Gen Y talent fuels explosive, sticky growth. You’ll hear mind-blowing lessons on hiring, self-driven learning, and operational rhythm that you won’t get in any MBA.Listen now, because the pain of missing these atomic insights is real: most companies will burn out, fragment, or plateau if they skip what you’ll learn here. This is your exclusive shortcut to building a thriving team before you get left behind.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The real secret to “Second in Command” chemistry and why skillset complement matters more than ego[00:03:33] – How Mindvalley went from selling meditation courses to teaching 10 million people a year[00:07:00] – Proven tactics to attract Gen Y talent from 54 countries—bootstrapped, not VC-fueled[00:09:45] – Why career pages, values, and strategic interviews pull “cult-like” high performers (and kill politics)[00:12:16] – The radical power of OKRs, failing 50%, and how competition keeps teams sharp[00:16:14] – Outward thinking and self-driven learning: fueling growth with global hackathons and TED talks[00:18:05] – How “OODA Loops” from the military weaponize CEO-COO alignment[00:21:05] – The epic failures: when Mindvalley ignored customers and missed the subscription revolution[00:29:09] – Minimum Viable Product mentality—shipping fast, fighting perfection, and keeping teams hungry[00:35:08] – How Lifebook and conscious parenting keep remote teams human, connected, and loyalAbout the GuestKshitij Minglani is the Co-Founder of Mindvalley Quests, a global leader in education and personal growth, serving millions from 54 countries. Known for his mastery in scaling startups, building culture-first organizations, and strategic innovation, he’s been behind some of Mindvalley’s most explosive pivots. Kshitij specializes in operations, growth, and high-velocity hiring, giving him unique authority for COOs and aspiring leaders alike. 🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteResources & MentionsMindvalley University Mindvalley Quest WildFit Lifebook (by John and Missy Butcher) A-Fest OODA Loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) Google (corporate practices) Intel, PwC, Malaysian Government (corporate training partners) Blue Ocean Strategy (book) “Plan, Brief, Execute, Debrief” (Air Force concept) TED Talks Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
SummaryEp. 533 - Block & Associates Realty COO Inaas Arabi – Why Most CEOs Fail at Real Scalability Now
Dec 400:53:21Summary readyEver felt overwhelmed by breakneck growth, scattered systems, and a CEO who just wants “more”—now? If you’re a second-in-command, this episode flips the pain of scaling upside down.Host Sivana Brewer dives deep with Inaas Arabi, COO at Block & Associates Realty and an industry veteran who’s engineered two rounds of company doubling (with a third on deck). They break down order-from-chaos strategies, how to build systems that actually scale, and the hidden math of hiring for sustainable results. Hear why most “growth plans” fail, and how trusted advisors and specialized team pods change everything.Don’t miss out—if you want to avoid costly mistakes, burnout, and leadership isolation, tune in now. This episode exposes proven, rare insights and actionable frameworks you simply won’t get anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – From scorching Austin heat to building legacy: Inaas’s introduction and real-world leadership challenge[00:03] – The “three-month property turnover” nightmare and the breakthrough that shattered it[00:16] – The surprising danger in property manager–centric models and the pod system that solves it[00:27] – Chaos vs. order: When to build systems and when to let things break (and why most get it wrong)[00:32] – The obscure art of error rates—and why perfect service is a myth, even for world-class COOs[00:34] – How trusted advisors expose hidden blind spots that can kill your growth[00:39] – Building your mentor board: Where to find them and how to make the relationship work[00:48] – Tripling scale and checking off U.S. states—behind the personal drive fueling strategic victoriesResources & MentionsZillowRealPageAmerican Homes 4 RentProgress ResidentialUltraSourceEOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System)About the GuestInaas Arabi is an accomplished executive with over 25 years in real estate and property management, including leadership roles at companies like Zillow, RealPage, and American Homes 4 Rent. Since joining Block & Associates Realty in May 2023, she has focused on optimizing operations and driving strategic growth in the greater Atlanta and North Carolina regions. Inaas holds an Executive MBA from Kennesaw State University and has a strong background in asset management, operations, and tech-driven solutions for the real estate industry.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.
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