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At Work with The Ready
Hosted by Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin · EN
Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)
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AUA: How to Change When People Are Loyal To The Past
Oct 2700:07:31Summary readyHow do you change the way work happens when everyone agrees on what to do—but no one wants to change how it’s done? In this mini episode of At Work with The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin tackle a listener question about navigating change inside legacy systems where authority, tradition, and “the way we’ve always done it” still rule. They explore why emotional loyalty to old processes can stall transformation, and how small experiments and “pair coding for organizational change” can help teams actually evolve their ways of working. Got a work question like this one you'd like us to answer? Email us at podcast@theready.com -------------------------------- Ready to change your organization? Let's talk: https://www.theready.com/working-together Get our newsletter: Sign up here. Follow us: LinkedIn Instagram -------------------------------- Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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35. Fighting Burnout At Work
Oct 2000:47:54Summary readyBurnout has become the quiet epidemic of modern work. We tell people to “set better boundaries” or “take more time off,” but the real problem isn’t a lack of self-care—it’s that most organizations are designed to exhaust their people. Fear-based cultures, unclear priorities, and performative busyness have turned overwork into a badge of honor, leaving even the most capable teams running on fumes. In this episode, Rodney and Sam unpack the systemic roots of burnout and why it thrives inside traditional hierarchies. They explore how teams accidentally reinforce it, how leaders unknowingly reward it, and share real steps to change the system instead of blaming individuals. -------------------------------- Ready to change your organization? Let's talk. Get our newsletter: Sign up here. Follow us: LinkedIn Instagram -------------------------------- Mentioned references: "77% of professionals feel burned out" Prisoner's dilemma Theory Y "American teen experiences as much anxiety as 1950s psych patient" "job market hellscape article" Herbert Freudenberger and 12 stages of burnout "4 day workweek better human outcomes" 00:00 Intro + Check-In: What’a silly or inconsequential project to you’ve done just for fun? 03:23 The Pattern: Systemic burnout keeps being met with individual solves, which leads to more burnout 08:21 Team burnout red flag 1: Overhelptfulness 11:10 Team burnout red flag 2: Defeatism 14:04 Team burnout red flag 3: Procrastination 16:44 Team burnout red flag 4: Overwork on busywork 20:41 Team burnout red flag 5: Impatience 23:35 Burnout is tied to short-termism and fear 27:30 Bureaucracy and gaslighting 29:10 Idea 1: Combat busyness with an outcome audit 32:49 Idea 2: Clarify ways of working to cut through bureaucracy 34:29 Idea 3: Design defaults and rules that reduce systemic burnout 36:14 Idea 4: Learn your own burnout symptoms to steer the ship before you reach critical mass 42:00 Idea 5: Enforce work-in-product limits for your team 45:55 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share the show with your colleagues Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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AUA: Promotion Problems - Managing Former Bosses
Oct 1300:08:19Summary readyWhat happens when your promotion puts you in charge of your former boss? In this mini Ask Us Anything episode of At Work with The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin answer a listener’s question about one of the trickiest transitions a leader can face—managing the people who used to manage you. They explore how to navigate power shifts, handle ego and shame dynamics, and reset team expectations without alienating anyone. Along the way, they share practical advice for rebuilding trust, holding clear boundaries, and making tough calls when improvement just isn’t happening. Got a work question like this one you'd like us to answer? Email us at podcast@theready.com -------------------------------- Ready to change your organization? Let's talk: https://www.theready.com/working-together Get our newsletter: Sign up here. Follow us: LinkedIn Instagram -------------------------------- Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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34. Even More Bad Bosses and How to Defeat Them, P2
Oct 600:27:28Summary readyEvery worker has a bad boss story—but why are they so common? In this two-part series, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin dig into the archetypes of dysfunctional leaders and the systems that keep them in power. Because bad bosses aren’t accidents—they’re often a predictable response to organizational pressures. In Part 2, they take on the Ghost—the slippery, conflict-avoiding boss who’s always hard to find when decisions need to be made—and the Self-Promoter, the credit-stealing leader who thrives on claiming other people’s work as their own. From the frustration of canceled one-on-ones to the demoralization of stolen ideas, Rodney and Sam unpack why these archetypes persist, what drives their behavior, and how you can protect yourself (and your team) without burning out. -------------------------------- Ready to change your organization? Let's talk. Get our newsletter: Sign up here. Follow us: LinkedIn Instagram -------------------------------- Mentioned references: Part 1 of Bad Boss conversation "Sam and Wilbur": DF Miniseries Ep. 6 check in round "antiwork subreddit" 00:00 Intro + Check-In: What is the phrase going on your tombstone? 03:37 Recap of part 1 04:46 Bad Boss 4: The Ghost 08:24 Dealing with The Ghost 10:52 Bad Boss 5: The Self-Promoter 11:49 Source of the credit-stealing behaviors 15:24 Dealing with The Self-Promoter 21:08 What all bad bosses have in common 23:26 Self-preservation is always a valid strategy 25:56 Wrap up: leave us a review and send us your bad boss stories! Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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AUA: Why 360 Feedback Breaks Down in Leadership Teams
Sep 2900:08:54Summary readyWe’re trying something new: mini Ask Us Anything episodes! Instead of waiting for our quarterly Q&A roundups, we’ll drop shorter conversations into your feed every other week where Rodney and Sam tackle one great listener question at a time. This week’s question: How should OD and change consultants handle unfavorable peer feedback in 360 reviews—especially when it’s happening among the leaders just under the CEO? They explore why peer feedback so often turns into power struggles, how incentive structures fuel a “Hunger Games” mentality, and why leaders must shift from interpersonal drama to organizational design. Got a work question like this one you'd like us to answer? Email us at podcast@theready.com -------------------------------- Ready to change your organization? Let's talk: https://www.theready.com/working-together Get our newsletter: Sign up here. Follow us: LinkedIn Instagram -------------------------------- Mentioned references: Patrick Lencioni and "First Team" The Ready's OS Canvas Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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34. Bad Bosses and How to Defeat Them, Part 1
Sep 2200:37:53Summary readyEvery worker has a bad boss story—but why are they so common? In this two-parter, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin dig into the archetypes of dysfunctional leaders and the systems that keep them in power. Because bad bosses aren’t accidents—they’re often a predictable response to organizational pressures. In Part 1, they take on the Micromanager, the Rager, and the Martyr. From obsessive control and volcanic tempers to bosses who never log off, these archetypes reveal the deeper fears and systemic incentives driving destructive behavior. Along the way, Rodney and Sam share strategies for surviving each type, plus insights for executives who may be unknowingly creating the conditions for bad bosses to thrive. -------------------------------- Ready to change your organization? Let's talk: https://www.theready.com/working-together Get our newsletter: Sign up here. Follow us: LinkedIn Instagram -------------------------------- Mentioned references: Paris Geller as the boss, The Gilmore Girls Yzme, The Emperor's New Groove 00:00 Intro + Check-In: Who’s your favorite bad boss from TV or movies? 02:38 The Pattern: Bad bosses are the product of the system that promoted them 04:30 Bad Boss 1: The Micromanager 06:52 Micromanagers stamp out innovation and emergent ideas 10:11 The source of micromanagement behavior 11:25 Dealing with The Micromanager 14:17 Bad Boss 2: The Rager 15:50 Rage is used to mask vulnerability 19:04 Dealing with The Rager 22:13 The source of ragers and the orgs that enable them 25:27 Bad Boss 3: The Martyr 30:24 Dealing with The Martyr 32:33 Being the boss to The Martyr 34:19 Time of The Martyr is ending 36:05 Wrap up: More bad bosses next time! Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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From Our Friends | The Rewards of Healthy Conflict with Master Fixer Amanda Ripley - Fixable
Sep 800:46:54Summary readyProducer Note: Hey there! We’re on vacation this week, but we didn’t want to leave your feed empty. Some of our most popular conversations this past year have been about the Midnight Zone and that’s why we’re sharing this fantastic episode from our friends over at Fixable. We hope it gives you some fresh strategies for navigating (and even embracing!) conflict in your organization, and we’ll see you next time. ------------------------- Most of us try to avoid conflict, particularly at work. But when done right, conflict can be a tool to strengthen interpersonal bonds and generate better results. In this episode, Anne and Frances team up with Amanda Ripley, global conflict journalist and author of the bestselling book High Conflict: Why We Get Trapped and How We Get Out. They tackle the missteps teams often make when it comes to handling conflict and provide actionable alternatives to foster healthy conflict habits in any organization. Follow Hosts: Anne Morriss (@annemorriss | LinkedIn: @anne-morriss), Frances Frei (@francesxfrei | LinkedIn: @francesfrei) Guest: Amanda Ripley (Instagram: @ripleywriter | Website: amandaripley.com/) Links https://anneandfrances.com/High Conflict: Why We Get Trapped and How We Get Out This episode originally aired on June 15, 2025.
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Depthfinding: The Midnight Zone - Experience, Emotions, and Reactions at Work
Mar 10, 202500:48:56Summary readyIn this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.This week, Rodney and Sam dive into the Midnight Zone—the deepest layer of organizational life, where the lived experiences, emotions, and unspoken reactions of individuals shape everything that happens above. While many organizations focus on surface-level solutions, ignoring the human realities of work leads to burnout, disengagement, and resistance to change.Leaders who acknowledge and engage with the Midnight Zone create organizations where people feel seen, supported, and empowered to contribute fully. Understanding the emotional undercurrents of work isn’t just about empathy—it’s about unlocking real, lasting transformation.Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding--------------------------------Want future of work insights and experiments you can try delivered to your inbox? Sign up here.Follow us on your favorite platforms for more org design nerdery: LinkedIn Instagram --------------------------------Mentioned references: First depthfinding episode Conscious Leadership Group ACT Matrix Iceberg model "workers deriving identify from their job" "knowledge work is at peak inefficiency" - Jared Spataro from Microsoft at Charter's "Leading with AI" summit in Jan 2025. See his statements about 60% of a knowledge worker's time being spent on overhead Gareth's episode: BNW Ep. 5 with Dr. Gareth Holman This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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Depthfinding: Twilight Zone - Where Work Happens
Feb 24, 202500:48:50Summary readyIn this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.This week, Rodney and Sam step into the Twilight Zone—the often-overlooked but deeply influential space where teams navigate the “how” of work—the “how” of collaborating, meeting, deciding, and experimenting. Many organizations put all or most of their focus on visible outputs and assets, but the rubber meets the road in the Twilight Zone. It’s the organizational depth where strategy actually gets executed—which means it’s worthy of more than a passing glance.When an important initiative stalls out, when teams side-eye change, when a leadership team’s decisions never translate into clear and meaningful action, it’s time to investigate the Twilight Zone. Leaders who want real progress—not just compliance—must foster cross-functional collaboration and create space for meaningful iteration. Because strategy isn’t about what’s declared. It’s about what actually happens.Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding--------------------------------Want future of work insights and experiments you can try delivered to your inbox? Sign up here.Follow us on your favorite platforms for more org design nerdery: LinkedIn Instagram --------------------------------Mentioned references: Twilight Zone, tv show layers of the ocean sea anemone The Mom Test, book by Rob Fitzpatrick Liberating Structures: BNW Ep. 49 with Keith McCandless "IDM" (Integrated Decision Making): BNW Ep. 43 This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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Depthfinding: Sunshine Zone - Artifacts, Org Charts, and Metrics
Feb 10, 202500:48:16Summary readyIn this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.This week, Rodney and Sam dive into the Sunshine Zone—the highly visible work of organizations, from strategy decks and OKRs to mission statements and financial targets. While these elements are easy to track and refine, spending too much time in the Sunshine Zone often leads to performative goal setting, misaligned priorities, and a disconnect from the deeper work that actually drives change.Leaders who want real progress—not just a well-polished plan—need to balance the visible with the essential. Cultivating adaptability, feedback loops, and space for creative, cross-functional work is the key to moving beyond surface-level success.Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding--------------------------------Want future of work insights and experiments you can try delivered to your inbox? Sign up here.Follow us on your favorite platforms for more org design nerdery: LinkedIn Instagram --------------------------------Mentioned references: EBITDA ACT Matrix "womperjawed" "90% of executives failing to reach strategic goals" operating rhythm: BNW Ep. 118 Deming quote "Bach suite" SMART goals This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.
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