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Copy Kit
Hosted by Sarah Hopkinson and Nicole Hyman · EN
Well hello there, copywriting friend!
We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud.
Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.
Join our membership to get access to the Copy Kit weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Copy Kit podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter.
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What Does It Take To Make Your Copy Pop? ('Pop' Discussion)
4d ago00:50:42Tap to summarizeYou came up with a genius business idea. It’s a sure-fire winner. Now you just need to get those investors on board so you can get the cash you need and get your idea off the ground. And you’ll get those investors by… showing them some graphs? Describing your 6- and 12-month business plans? No. This will not work. What you need to do is to craft a pitch that will POP!Pop! is a guide to getting your idea to stand out, instantly. It’s a framework and a list of techniques to help you quickly and easily generate a name, tagline, subheadings and other marketing materials using simple, repeatable steps. If you’re an experienced copywriter, you may think that you’ve moved beyond Pop!, but in this episode of the Copy Kit Podcast, copywriters Sarah and Nicole share their thoughts on the book and the new techniques they learnt from it. Tune in to hear their favourite Pop! Exercises, plus Sarah’s angst about naming her business.If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you’re subscribed to the Copy Kit Podcast so you catch next week’s episode, which will feature Nicole and Sarah’s first ever live copy rap battle!Timestamps[0:30] Welcome to this episode’s book: Pop! by Sam Horn[2:15] Nicole gives a quick summary of Pop! [7:00] How Pop! helps copywriters explain their job to their families[8:30] Nicole unpacks the first ‘P’ of Pop!: Purposeful[10:20] O stands for Original[11:20] And the second P stands for Pithy[12:25] Why do you need to fill in Pop’s W9 list for the book to work?[16:30] How to get the most out of Pop! [19:05] Sarah outlines the exercises listed in Pop![21:45] Is Pop! the antidote to AI?[25:15] Sarah and Nicole each share their favourite technique from Pop![30:35] How do you know when you’ve come up with the right product name or tagline?[39:45] Nicole gives her three implementation points[43:05] And Sarah outlines her three implementation points[48:30] What are the rules of a Copy Rap Battle?Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of Pop! by Sam HornStay In Touch With The Copy Kit TeamJoin the Copy Kit Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend!This is the Copy Kit Podcast: Master Advanced Copywriting Skills To Grow Your Freelance Business.We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud.Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Copy Kit weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter.And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's new website!Sign up for Nicole’s email listSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits:Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →Influence In Action: How Copywriters Can Use Cialdini's Tactics Ethically ('Influence' Follow-Up)
2w ago01:06:58Tap to summarizeAsk any big copywriter to name a book that inspired them, and it’s pretty much guaranteed that their top 10 list will include Robert B. Cialdini’s Influence. It’s the daddy of marketing. But are you ready to read it? And if you do, will you ever be the same afterwards?In this follow-up episode, copywriters Nicole and Sarah and special guest case study specialist Rob Beadle share how they got on with applying the principles of Influence to their work. They unveil instances of Influence in their daily lives and give their perspective on how persuasion can be ethical. Listen out for Rob’s lesson on how to create social proof for a product you’ve not yet launched and Nicole’s innovative tactic to use reciprocation in a way that doesn’t feel icky—and isn’t another lead magnet.If this episode of Copy Kit got you interested in Influence, please reach out and let Nicoke and Sarah know! You can check out links to the Copy Kit Membership below and find examples of Influence in Sarah and Nicole’s work and copywriting businesses. Subscribe to the podcast to catch the next episode with another analysis of a book about copywriting.Timestamps[0:40] Welcome back to the podcast, Rob Beadle![1:50] How Crocs use Influence to get us to buy their shoes, plus other instances of Influence IRL[7:10] Rob recaps his implementation points and covers his experiment with the contrast principle[13:30] How can you get social proof for a product or service you’ve not launched yet?[18:30] Rob defends himself against the principles of Influence[22:00] Ethical marketing tactics for online service providers and sellers of physical goods[27:10] Nicole’s first implementation point: How can we use reciprocity without creating *another* lead magnet?[33:35] Commitment and consistency as a marketing tool[36:40] World first: A live copy walk-through on the podcast![40:50] Sarah unpacks pitching with commitment and consistency[47:05] But what actually is social proof?[54:45] Following Cialdini’s call to arms[1:00:35] Who should read Influence?Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of Influence by Robert B. CialdiniCheck out Rob Beadle’s websiteConnect with Rob on LinkedInSarah’s Commitment And Consistency PitchSarah’s non-traditional social proof LinkedIn postStay In Touch With The Copy Kit TeamJoin the Copy Kit Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend!This is the Copy Kit Podcast: Master Advanced Copywriting Skills To Grow Your Freelance Business.We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud.Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Copy Kit weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter.And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's new website!Sign up for Nicole’s email listSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits:Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →How Copywriters Use Influence: Cialdini's Legendary Marketing Bible ('Influence' Discussion)
3w ago01:06:33Tap to summarizeHow many decisions do you make in a day? From the moment we wake up (and decide whether or not to hit the snooze button), our brains are overwhelmed with decisions, big and small. So it’s no wonder that sometimes, we take our minds offline and let someone else do the deciding for us through the form of influence. And that’s the book that Sarah and Nicole are reading today.The Copy Kit Podcast is back with a bang for season three and your hosts Nicole and Sarah chose a book that they both admired and feared. If you’ve been in copywriting for longer than a hot minute, you’ll know that Robert B Cialdini and his principles of influence rule the roost when it comes to persuading customers that yours is the offer they want to buy. Often cited but seldom read, Sarah and Nicole decided to tackle the book with their friend and fellow copywriter and star guest Rob Beadle. In this episode, you’ll hear them unpack the principles of Influence, discuss how they show up in our daily lives, examine how Influence intersects with copywriting and share their implementation points for the next episode.If you’d like to catch that episode, subscribe to the Copy Kit Podcast. You have been influenced.Timestamps[0:40] Welcome to Copy Kit’s special guest Rob Beadle![1:25] Nicole introduces this episode’s book, Influence[8:10] Nicole unpacks Cialdini’s Click-Run theory[12:15] How the book works[14:10] Rob introduces the seven principles of influence, beginning with Reciprocation and Liking[18:05] Rob’s favourite principle: Social Proof[20:40] Back to the Future Social Proof[21:50] Cialdini’s principle of Authority[25:40] The psychological pressure that comes with the principle of Scarcity[29:30] The sixth principle of influence: Commitment and Consistency and how it shows up in Copy Kit[32:35] Cialdini’s bonus principle of Unity. Does it apply to copywriting?[35:45] The hidden levers behind using social proof in case studies[43:25] Is Reciprocity dead in copywriting?[47:10] Why we need to protect the principles of Influence [53:15] AI and Influence: does AI use the principles of Influence on us?[55:50] Implementation points: Nicole shares her goals[57:35] Rob gives his implementation points[1:01:40] And Sarah outlines her implementation pointsLinks and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of Influence by Robert B. CialdiniCheck out Rob’s Beadle’s websiteConnect with Rob on LinkedInStay In Touch With The Copy Kit TeamJoin the Copy Kit Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend!This is the Copy Kit Podcast: Master Advanced Copywriting Skills To Grow Your Freelance Business.We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud.Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Copy Kit weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter.And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's new website!Sign up for Nicole’s email listSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits:Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →BACK AGAIN! Learn Copywriting Hacks From The Greats (PLUS Huge Announcement)
3w ago00:13:48Tap to summarizeTHEY’RE BACCCCCCKK!! Season 3 of the podcast starts off with a bang as Nicole and Sarah share updates on their lives and copywriting businesses. The biggest update is one you’ll have already noticed as the podcast is changing names! Tune in to hear the logic behind the new name and to see if there’s an opportunity for the feline in your life to take centre stage on the pod.The first full episode of the season is also out today, so subscribe to the Copy Kit podcast and jump on over to the next episode to learn more from the copywriting greats.Timestamps[0:25] Welcome back, gang!! Thanks and merriment to all[0:55] What Nicole’s been up to in her break[1:50] Nicole and Sarah: The original podcast survivors[2:45] What’s new in your business?[4:40] Aaaaaaaand what’s new for season three? Guests and books[9:45] Big news!! Tried It becomes Copy Kit![11:50] Do you want your cat on the pod? Get in touch![13:30] See you in season 3!Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeApply to be a guest on the podStay In Touch With The Copy Kit TeamJoin the Copy Kit Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend!This is the Copy Kit Podcast: Master Advanced Copywriting Skills To Grow Your Freelance Business.We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud.Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Copy Kit weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter.And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's new website!Sign up for Nicole’s email listSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits:Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →Season Two Wrap-Up Party: This Season's *Crunchiest* Episode
Jun 10, 202500:36:57Tap to summarizeWelcome to the last episode in season two of the Tried It podcast, also known as the crunchiest episode of the season! Today, Sarah and Nicole step back and reflect on everything that’s happened since they started recording the season, approximately 10,000 years ago. You’ll hear how season two’s books have impacted Nicole and Sarah’s businesses and how Sarah’s adapted her Homework For Life process to help her keep up the daily writing habit. Both hosts share big news from their businesses, including Nicole’s long-awaited launch of her brand-new website and newsletter! And since we’re all here for fun as well as for work, there are some fun life updates, from new pets to delicious breakfast recipes. If you’ve made it this far, thanks so much for following along with the Tried It team, the talented authors and the wonderful guests of season two. The podcast will be back for a third season and there will even be the opportunity to feature as a guest so fill out the form if you’re interested. Sarah and Nicole would love to hear from you! And if you can’t wait until season three to get more Tried It in your life, check out the podcast membership for ambitious copywriters looking to upskill and grow their businesses. Timestamps[0:30] Welcome to the wrap-up episode, y’all![1:20] How Nicole feels from 10,000 years ago to now: Important work updates [3:45] Let’s celebrate Nicole’s new website and newsletter![6:10] And there’s another new newsletter in town! Sarah introduces her new concept[13:15] How season two’s books helped Sarah and Nicole work on their businesses[15:40] The “mental gymnastics” of beating AI and breaking out of comfort zones [20:35] Nicole’s fun rat-shaped life updates [21:20] The *crunchiest* part of the episode[23:55] Sarah’s fun life update [25:55] How Sarah’s updated Homework For Life to help keep her habit consistent[27:40] What changes in your life when you start doing Homework For Life [32:00] Big announcement: There will be a season three of the podcast![33:50] Lonely without the pod? Try out the Tried It membership! [35:35] Thanks for hanging with the Tried It team!Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeNicole’s granola recipeThe granola recipe that Sarah uses and hardly modifies at all, so full credit to Cookie and Kate for this oneThe Tried It Storyworthy Discussion episodeThe Tried It Storyworthy Implementation episodeAre you brave enough to guest on the podcast?Stay In Touch With The Tried It TeamJoin the Tried It Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend! This is the Tried It Podcast: Your Proven Pathway to a Better Copywriting Business. How do we know it works? Because we’ve Tried It. We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud. Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Tried It weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter. And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's new website!Sign up for Nicole’s email listSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits: Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →Teach Your Copywriting Business To Market Itself ('The Referral Engine' Follow-Up)
Jun 3, 202500:46:25Tap to summarizeEvery copywriter dreams of a business that markets itself. Where you, as the writer, spend your days elbow-deep in VOC research, wireframes or email sequences, with your ideal clients forming an orderly queue to be the next to benefit from your words and insights. But if you want to get to that point, you need to build your referral system first. In this special implementation episode of the Tried It podcast, brand voice expert Justin Blackman returns to discuss The Referral Engine with regular hosts Sarah and Nicole. Each copywriter recaps the three goals they set themselves to experiment with from the book and shares the details of how they got on. Justin talks messaging clarity and Sarah shares how author of The Referral Engine John Jantsch helped her achieve one of her implementation goals. And Nicole’s finally launched her new website!This is the last book in the second season of the Tried It podcast, but it’s not quite the end of the season yet. Stick around for next week’s end-of-season wrap-up and debrief, featuring Sarah and Nicole discussing how the season was for them and the changes they’ve seen in their businesses. And if you want more Tried It in your life after the season is over, check out the Tried It Membership! Timestamps[0:30] Welcome back to the Tried It Podcast, Justin![1:40] Nicole gives a quick summary of The Referral Engine, in case you missed the last episode[3:30] “Some of the stuff just didn’t work the way I wanted it to”: Justin’s experience of applying lessons from The Referral Engine[6:30] Justin recaps his three implementation points[8:15] Sometimes, the implementation phase makes you realise what’s not working in your business[10:15] Using referrals to grow inbound leads - as long as you’re happy to play the long game[14:40] How to nail your copywriting talkable difference[18:10] What AI’s missing when you use it to write your copy [21:00] Is Justin going to use the principles of The Referral Engine going forward?[23:25] Should you pay someone who refers you a new client? [24:30] Whoop whoop! Nicole’s launched her new website![27:45] Integrating referrals into your client onboarding process [28:25] “Not every referral is the right referral”: What happens when people don’t understand your business[29:55] Sarah’s most successful implementation point, with a little help from John Jantsch [34:05] Starting a new project and navigating the graphic design maze[37:50] Sarah’s last implementation point: Asking for a referral out loud, from a human being [41:00] What kind of copywriter would benefit from reading The Referral Engine? [44:00] Looking for sustainable growth for your copywriting business? Try out the Tried It membership! Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of The Referral Engine by John JantschCheck out Justin’s Brand Voice AcademyThe Sixty-Second Sales Hook by Kenny RogersStay In Touch With The Tried It TeamJoin the Tried It Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend! This is the Tried It Podcast: Your Proven Pathway to a Better Copywriting Business. How do we know it works? Because we’ve Tried It. We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud. Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Tried It weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter. And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's new website!Sign up for Nicole’s email listSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits: Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →How To Get An Endless Stream Of Good-Fit Copywriting Clients ('The Referral Engine' Discussion)
May 27, 202500:52:55Tap to summarizePicture this: a freelance copywriting business with an endless stream of good-fit clients queueing up to work with you. No obligation to be active on social media or to attend networking events. Just you and your profitable copywriting projects. That’s the dream that John Jantsch sells in his book, The Referral Engine. Whilst most business owners welcome client referrals as an unexpected bonus, Jantsch tells you step-by-step how to turn your business into a machine that generates referrals, bringing your perfect clients to your virtual door. However, the book was published in 2010 and speaks to a wide audience of service- and product-based businesses, covering both ends of the price point spectrum. So can it help today’s freelancer copywriters? In this episode of Tried It, hosts Nicole and Sarah are joined by special guest Justin Blackman of Brand Voice Academy as they analyse The Referral Engine. Listen along as they share major insights from the book, including the difference between how you see your business and how your clients see it, and how to turn your unique processes into your sales pitch. At the end of the episode, Justin, Sarah and Nicole share the three things they’ll each take from the book to apply to their copywriting businesses. The Tried It Podcast is nearly at the end of its second season but the copywriting implementation goes on all year round in the Tried It Podcast Membership! If you’re ready to grow your copywriting skills with intention, check out the membership details via the link below. Timestamps[0:35] Welcome to the Tried It podcast, Justin Blackman![1:45] Introducing The Referral Engine, the book that Justin “highlighted the heck out of”[4:15] What it means to put referrals at the heart of your copywriting business strategy[7:10] The difference between a referral and a good referral [9:05] How to adapt the strategies of The Referral Engine to your freelance copywriting business[10:55] How you see your business vs. How your clients see your business [13:05] Nicole breaks down the ‘buy’ stage of the seven-step referral system[15:50] “One of the most awkward things to ask, ever”: Getting over the mental block of asking for a referral [21:20] How Justin’s building a referrals process for his business[24:30] Leveraging strategic partnerships to grow your business [26:20] TIHWDIH: The acronym that breaks down your processes so your customers want to buy[28:00] Can referrals replace your social media marketing efforts? [31:55] “It’s not what you think”: Working out your business ‘talkable difference’[36:35] “Not pivoting, just narrowing”: How Justin explains to his clients the value he brings to their team[40:55] Justin’s three implementation points [43:45] Sarah shares her implementation points[49:15] Aaaaand Nicole gives her three implementation points[51:15] How to get more Tried It in your life, even between seasonsLinks and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of The Referral Engine by John JantschCheck out Justin’s Brand Voice AcademyExactly What To Say by Phil M JonesStay In Touch With The Tried It TeamJoin the Tried It Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend! This is the Tried It Podcast: Your Proven Pathway to a Better Copywriting Business. How do we know it works? Because we’ve Tried It. We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud. Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Tried It weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter. And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's new website!Sign up for Nicole's email listSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits: Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →A Simple, Daily Exercise To Help Copywriters Level Up In The AI Era ('Storyworthy' Follow-Up')
May 20, 202500:59:03Tap to summarizeCopywriters, if the rise of AI makes you want to improve your writing (or puke into your shoes), the Tried It team has the answer: be Storyworthy. In this week’s episode, Sarah and Nicole swap stories on their implementation points from Matthew Dicks’ book Storyworthy. The copywriters share their experience of how everything changed once they started Homework for Life, including their new outlook on life and the unexpected side effects (both good and bad) of jotting down something noteworthy from every day. Sarah gives two tips that helped her to stay on track with her Homework for Life goal and Nicole muses on how friction in writing can actually be a net positive for copywriters. As they note, Matthew Dicks' advice is not easy, but it is simple.Since the Tried It Podcast values honesty and transparency, both Nicole and Sarah share ‘before’ and ‘after’ versions of their writing so you can see how they used the Storyworthy framework and judge it for yourself. The links are below, as are links to check out the Tried It Podcast membership.Timestamps[1:20] Nicole, how do you feel about Storyworthy now? [3:10] A high-level summary of Storyworthy[5:00] Is Storyworthy a useful book for copywriters? [6:10] Diving into Nicole’s experience of trying out Homework for Life[9:30] “It’s changed my life!”: Sarah on Homework for Life[11:30] Two tips to make Homework for Life easier to do every day [14:15] Nicole’s Storyworthy moment[15:45] But how do you know if a moment is really storyworthy? [17:20] “A gift for copywriters”: How Homework for Life benefits copywriters[21:15] When’s the best time to start doing Homework for Life? [22:55] The one big risk of doing Homework for Life[24:45] How to motivate yourself to do Homework for Life [27:15] Nicole reports back on her Crash and Burn exercises[34:40] Making a personal story Storyworthy: Sarah’s second implementation point[41:00] Is it wrong to edit your life to make it Storyworthy? [45:45] What’s it like to write a story with the Storyworthy framework? [49:52] How Nicole used the Storyworthy framework on her About page [53:15] Are these the biggest changes ever seen on the Tried It Podcast? [55:15] Why Storyworthy is the book that will help copywriters defeat AI[56:40] Way more than a newsletter: The Tried It Podcast membership Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of Storyworthy by Matthew DicksBuy the Storyworthy audiobook on AppleThe Moth storytelling organisationSarah’s original story about her grandmaSarah’s Storyworthy story about her grandmaNicole’s previous and Storyworthy versions of her About pageStay In Touch With The Tried It TeamJoin the Tried It Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend! This is the Tried It Podcast: Your Proven Pathway to a Better Copywriting Business. How do we know it works? Because we’ve Tried It. We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud. Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Tried It weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter. And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's exciting new projectSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits: Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →Become A Better Copywriter By Mastering Storytelling ('Storyworthy' Discussion)
May 13, 202500:51:36Tap to summarizeHumans are storytellers and life is a story-generating machine. But some of us tell better stories than others, that some is Matthew Dicks, to be very specific. He’s the best at storytelling and he has the medals, trophies and book reviews to prove it. Listen as the Tried It Podcast hosts analyse Matthew Dick’s storytelling techniques from a copywriting lens. On this episode of Tried It Podcast: Your Proven Pathway to a Better Copywriting Business, Sarah and Nicole talk about one of Nicole’s favourite authors. They discuss what counts as a story and how you can mine your own life for stories to use to connect with others. There are also practical tips about raising the stakes, crashing and burning, painting elephants and creating a Cinema of the Mind. Copywriters, listen out for Nicole’s advice on falling in love with copywriting again!As Matthew Dicks points out, a story only lasts for five seconds. If that sounds awfully short to you, maybe you’d enjoy something more lasting. Something like… a membership to the Tried It Podcast! It’s your pathway to growing more confident as a copywriter and storyteller. If you’re interested, check out the links down below. Timestamps[0:30] Welcome to the world of one of Nicole’s favourite authors![2:20] How do you feel about AI, fellow copywriters? [3:35] Sarah’s scepticism about Storyworthy[4:35] So, what actually is a story? [6:45] Why do stories only last for five seconds? [10:45] How to mine your own life for stories: Matthew Dicks’ three story generating techniques [12:15] The understated magic of Homework for Life [15:50] Why writers should Crash and Burn, and Matthew Dicks’ last story-generating exercise[18:50] Constructing your Storyworthy story and the permissible lies of storytelling[22:20] Never shut down the Cinema of the Mind [26:35] Presently, we are tense: Creating pace through speaking in the present tense in stories[27:35] “Heightening the stakes”: How to get people to give a sh*t about your story [30:10] Do the Storyworthy techniques apply to copywriting? [33:40] Why elephants can change their colours, or how to use stories to sell [36:45] “Do I have a single story to tell??!” Sarah spirals[38:45] Nicole’s advice to copywriters who’ve fallen out of love with copywriting [39:55] Nicole’s three implementation points from Storyworthy [42:25] What Sarah’s implementing from Storyworthy[48:25] Sometime is now time, for membership talk time Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of Storyworthy by Matthew DicksMemoirs of an Imaginary Friend by Matthew DicksSomeday is Today by Matthew DicksThe Moth storytelling organisationAll Too Well by Taylor SwiftMatthew Dicks on The Copywriter Club PodcastWash A Pig creative writing cardsThe Tried It Podcast’s discussion of StoryBrand by Donald MillerStay In Touch With The Tried It TeamJoin the Tried It Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend! This is the Tried It Podcast: Your Proven Pathway to a Better Copywriting Business. How do we know it works? Because we’ve Tried It. We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud. Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Tried It weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It Podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter. And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's exciting new projectSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits: Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Transcribe →How Should You Manage Your Time As A Busy Freelance Copywriter? ('Four Thousand Weeks' Follow-Up)
May 6, 202500:50:29Tap to summarizeAre you ready to live a life that’s more meaningful, more kind and connects you more deeply with the people you love? No, this podcast isn’t your first step to joining a cult, it’s the Implementation episode of the Tried It Podcast’s analysis of Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver Burkeman. If you tuned into last week’s episode, Sarah and Nicole have a time-bending surprise for you: that was actually four months ago. In between, the Tried It team have followed some of Burkmen’s principles to try to make their lives and businesses more aligned with their goals so they can live more fulfilling lives before they die. Small ask, huh? Tune in to learn what it’s like to live in uncomfortable enlargement, whether you can really ever control your own time and whether Four Thousand Weeks is the right time management book for freelance business owners. Also, this episode of the podcast contains Sarah’s first-ever reference to The Office US. A milestone indeed. Stay to the end to hear details of the Tried It Podcast Membership and how you can support the project without spending a single penny. Timestamps[0:25] It’s implementation time, y’all![2:45] Deep questions and vibes: What to expect when you read Four Thousand Weeks[8:10]What Oliver Burkeman’s been up to since writing Four Thousand Weeks[9:20] Why the Tried It team waited a long time to record this episode[10:50] What changes has Sarah seen since reading Four Thousand Weeks? [11:55] “I’m still not good at managing time”: Nicole’s reflections on time [13:25] Millennials, you don’t have to change the world[16:40] Searching for KPIs that aren’t money [20:00] “It does feel good”: Sarah on paying herself first in time [21:45] Controlling time: Freelancer edition[24:45] Putting the Pro- in crastinating [27:50] The discomfort of talking about uncomfortable enlargement [30:40] Check back in with Sarah and Nicole? [32:30] Nicole Burkemans her family[37:25] Five big questions to sit with and which one helped Nicole the most[41:55] Nicole’s experience of paying herself first in time[43:05] Would freelancers benefit from reading Four Thousand Weeks? [47:30] The high note of the episode: the Tried It Podcast Membership[49:40] Free ways to help out the Tried It Podcast, if you feel like it Links and Resources Related To This EpisodeBuy your copy of Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver BurkemanSign up for Oliver Burkeman’s newsletter, The ImperfectionistBuy Oliver Burkeman’s new book, Meditations for MortalsOk so you can’t link to individual episodes of The Office US online, but it’s Season 4, episode 1, ‘Fun Run’Nicole’s big ole jar of post-it notesStay In Touch With The Tried It TeamJoin the Tried It Membership hereCheck out our websiteEmail: podcast@trieditcopy.comWell hello there, copywriting friend! This is the Tried It Podcast: Your Proven Pathway to a Better Copywriting Business. How do we know it works? Because we’ve Tried It. We’re Nicole and Sarah, two copywriters on a mission to elevate your freelance copywriting game. We’re reading the great books about copywriting, marketing and business. Once we’ve read each book, we spend a hot minute applying the techniques we’ve learnt to our own businesses and to our client work. And then, we talk about it. We’re learning, out loud. Join us on our journey to polish up our copywriting skills, every episode! You’ll get actionable copywriting techniques, real-life case studies, business advice, mindset reframes and marketing strategies.Join our membership to get access to the Tried It weekly newsletter, as well as the chance to pick our brains and to vote for the next book we talk about on the Tried It podcast. It’s your commitment to becoming a better copywriter. And if you want to know more about us, stalk us here:Nicole on LinkedInCheck out Nicole's exciting new projectSarah’s websiteSarah on LinkedInSarah on InstagramSign up for Sarah’s email list#FreelanceCopywriting #CopywritingTips #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategyKEYWORDSCopywriting, freelancecopywriting, marketing, bookgroup, implementation, freelancer, freelancemarketingMusic Credits: Luke Bergs & Waesto - Follow The Sun | https://soundcloud.com/bergscloud/Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
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