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Many church leaders think of their staff as family. But if they're family, can you fire them? Jon Gordon has coached hundreds of professional sports teams and companies and explains what it takes to make the tough calls, including firing people you see as family. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes CHURCH SALARY If you have questions about church salaries, ChurchSalary is your starting place. Visit ChurchSalary.com/carey to get your free preview today. BELAY Download BELAY’s free resource: “15 Tasks a Pastor Can Delegate to a Marketing Assistant.” Text the word CAREY to 55123 for your free download. COMPASSION If you’re ready to grow your generosity and answer God’s call, head to compassion.com/carey. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Mark Clark talks about the difference between preaching to a pre-Christian and post-Christian culture and how to do both effectively so that you can reach people and grow your church. Plus, Mark and Carey discuss how to leverage your unique gifting and quirks. Mark shares how he's learned to preach and lead with Tourettes Syndrome and OCD. And he discusses how to solve the problem of life for an anxious generation. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF REACHING COURSE In The Art of Reaching—my course with Mark Clark—you get practical strategies, insights, and lessons to reach more unchurched people. STATE OF THE CHURCH I’ll be co-hosting the State of the Church event alongside Nona Jones; with presentations by David Kinnaman, Ed Stetzer, and stories from pastors you need to know. It’s all happening March 12 at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific. Visit stateofthechurch.com to sign up and take part in shaping the future of your church Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Christian Apologist Wesley Huff recently debated Billy Carson, which led to an appearance on the Joe Rogan Show. In both cases, Wes demonstrated a powerful approach to apologetics. In this episode, Carey outlines four best practices Wes embodied and offers five takeaways for every leader looking to engage the culture in conversations about Christianity. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF REACHING COURSE In The Art of Reaching—my course with Mark Clark—you get practical strategies, insights, and lessons to reach more unchurched people. STATE OF THE CHURCH I’ll be co-hosting the State of the Church event alongside Nona Jones; with presentations by David Kinnaman, Ed Stetzer, and stories from pastors you need to know. It’s all happening March 12 at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific. Visit stateofthechurch.com to sign up and take part in shaping the future of your church Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Craig Groeschel breaks down how he's changing and adapting his preaching and communication style for digital ministry, AI, and social media. Plus, he shares the power of extreme habits, how to motivate yourself and others during successful seasons, and why people are bored with 'cool church' and what to do about it. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO+ Start 2025 by reaching families at the perfect moment: when they’re settling into a new home and open to building new relationships. Ready to connect? Visit glooplus.outreach.com today and get started! BELAY Take advantage of BELAY’s special offer this month and download their book, Delegate to Elevate, for FREE. CHURCH.TECH CHURCH.tech AI is completely customizable to your church. Add your mission and belief statements, and it adapts to create content in your church’s unique voice. Imagine having an AI solution that aligns with your beliefs. Go to CHURCH.tech and enter the promo code CAREY at checkout for 25% off for the first 3 months. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Culture expert Jenni Catron joins the podcast to discuss the signs to look for that tell you whether your church or company culture is healthy or toxic. Plus, she shares the power of culture in retaining and attracting young talent and how to discover your blind spots as a leader. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork EVANGELISM KICKSTARTER I'm hosting a FREE webinar on February 24th. In my Evangelism Kickstarter you'll get fresh strategies to reach new people in 2025. Register for free today at evangelismkickstarter.com. GLOO+ Church leaders, Gloo+ is your go-to resource for making this your best year yet. Join the fastest-growing church platform. Head to gloo.us/plus today. ECFA Today, more than 2,700 organizations proudly display the ECFA seal, signaling to millions of donors that their contributions are stewarded with utmost care. Learn more at ECFA.org/triumph Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

John Ortberg discusses the spiritual power of admitting your personal inadequacy, what the church can learn from alcoholics, and why the church keeps producing elder brothers. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork BARNA'S STATE OF THE CHURCH Barna’s monthly State of the Church updates, powered by Gloo, deliver the latest research so you can stay ahead in this ever-changing landscape. Visit stateofthechurch.com to get a glimpse at the research today! SUBSPLASH With mobile apps, messaging, websites, streaming, groups, giving, and more—the Subsplash Platform puts today’s most innovative church technology into your hands—so you can focus on ministry. Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and get $500 off when you sign up Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Dave Ramsey talks about how going broke, broke him as a person and leader and the difference that's made to his leadership today. He also shares his top business lessons and talks about the keys to empowering large teams. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF BUILDING A GENEROUS CONGREGATION Create a culture where mission-fueled giving is a core piece of your culture and not forced or awkward with my course, The Art of Building a Generous Congregation. ECFA Today, more than 2,700 organizations proudly display the ECFA seal, signaling to millions of donors that their contributions are stewarded with utmost care. Learn more at ECFA.org/triumph GLOO Get 10,000 free text messages every month to reach your church and take your ministry to the next level. Visit gloo.us/messaging to get started today! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Tyler Staton shares lessons from his journey with cancer, including why he never prayed for healing, the profound transformation of suffering, and what he learned about leading from his strengths and relationships. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork CHURCH.TECH CHURCH.tech AI is completely customizable to your church. Add your mission and belief statements, and it adapts to create content in your church’s unique voice. Imagine having an ai solution that aligns with your beliefs. Go to CHURCH.tech and enter the promo code CAREY at checkout for 25% off for the first 3 months. BELAY Take advantage of BELAY’s special offer this month and download their book, Delegate to Elevate, for FREE. With this guide, you’ll learn how to focus on your strengths, delegate your weaknesses, and become the best leader you can be. Gloo+ Don’t miss out—join the thousands of church leaders already transforming their ministries with Gloo+. Visit plus.gloo.us and use code CAREYSAVE20 to save an extra 20% on your membership. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Ramit Sethi, New York Times Bestselling author, podcaster, and Netflix show host, returns to the podcast. Ramit shares his insight on what couples struggle with financially and how church leaders can teach couples about money. Plus, he discusses lessons from 20 years in business, why raising money for charity is so hard, and how to deal with cheap board members. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork SUBSPLASH Join more than 20,000 churches and ministries that partner with Subsplash to engage their communities and help their people grow spiritually. Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and get $500 off when you sign up. THE PROBLEM OF LIFE The Problem of Life by Mark Clark won’t just make you think—it will change the way you live. Pre-order now on Amazon or wherever you buy your books. It’s time to stop just existing and start flourishing. Gloo Gloo gives you 10,000 texts and 3 groups for free every month. That’s right—no cost, no strings attached. So why wait? Sign up for Gloo today at gloo.us/freetexting. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Only 1% of pastors say their churches are very effective at evangelism. Yet, 72% of people say they are open spiritually. In this episode, Barna CEO David Kinnaman and author Mark Matlock continue the 2025 Church Trends series and discuss the current divide between church and culture, the surprisingly dismal state of evangelism in the church today, and the missed opportunity of unchurched people's surprising spiritual openness. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork DOWNLOAD FOR FREE: 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide Highly Productive Leader Challenge On February 3rd, I’m kicking off a 4-Week Highly Productive Leader Challenge designed specifically for leaders like you who feel stuck in the cycle of overwhelm. Learn more at Productive2025.com Thrive In a free 60-minute webinar, Mark Clark, pastor at Bayside Church, will share the 5 essential traits that define truly great leaders. Register at thriveconference.org/ Gloo Gloo gives you 10,000 texts and 3 groups for free every month. That’s right—no cost, no strings attached. So why wait? Sign up for Gloo today at gloo.us/freetexting. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network