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Uncensored CMO
Hosted by Jon Evans · EN
The Uncensored CMO was created to explore the good, the bad and quite frankly downright ugly truth about marketing theory & practice.
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How Gymshark took on the sportswear giants - Carly Natalizia
Mar 1800:38:08Summary readyCarly Natalizia, Chief Commercial Officer at Gymshark, joins us to share how one of the UK’s most exciting brands continues to grow while staying close to its community. From starting her career in finance to leading commercial strategy at Gymshark, Carly offers a unique perspective on leadership, growth, and customer obsession.We discuss Gymshark’s rise as a challenger brand taking on global sportswear giants, what it’s like working alongside founder Ben Francis, and how the business balances brand and commercial priorities. Carly also shares lessons on sustainable growth, executing big ideas, and how Gymshark keeps its finger on the pulse of its customers.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/2044861Subscribe to our newsletter, The One Thing:https://newsletter.uncensoredcmo.com/Listen to our new podcast, Uncensored Renegades:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimstamps00:00 - Start01:08 - How Carly went from finance to marketing02:19 - Career advice to Carly’s younger self04:09 - Why Carly moved from finance to retail and the differences between them07:28 - The Gymshark story: taking on the sportswear giants09:02 - What its like working for the UK’s youngest billionaire, Ben Francis15:07 - Carly’s promotion from Chief Digital Officer to Chief Commercial Officer16:01 - How Gymshark stay close to the customer17:21 - How to be an effective leader in the c-suite at Gymshark18:44 - How the Chief Commercial Officer and Chief Brand Officer work together25:04 - How do you maintain sustainable growth26:46 - Gymshark NYC store launch29:25 - The success of Gymshark’s “We Do Gym” campaign31:24 - How to execute great ideas well
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The power of kindness with Kory Marchisotto [Uncensored Renegades]
Mar 1600:23:45Summary readye.l.f. lives by the mission of being "a bold disruptor with a kind heart" a refreshing stance when disruption is rarely paired with kindness. Kory explains why kindness is at the core of how e.l.f. operates, what it actually looks like in practice, and what holds most people back from embracing it.Get Uncensored Renegades every week:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cWatch the Uncensored CMO episode with James Watt:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOp1CPZ0CNMLinksUnreasonable Hospitality by Will GuidaraG.O.A.T. Wisdom by Dr Brent RidgeTimestamps00:00 - Start00:53 - Being a bold disruptor with a kind heart03:11 - The difference between being kind and being nice08:02 - Why we should be kind to our competitors09:30 - The science to kindness10:56 - Why fear of embarrassment stops us being kind17:02 - The power of kindness for your career19:08 - Kindness doesn’t have to be big gestures
SummaryCanva CMO on the marketing strategies that built Australia’s largest private company - Zach Kitschke
Mar 1100:40:33Summary readyZach Kitschke joined Canva as employee number five. Today, the company serves hundreds of millions of users worldwide.In this episode, Zach shares the inside story of Canva’s growth, from the scrappy early marketing that put the company on the map to scaling a brand and product used across the world. We discuss the power of Canva’s freemium model, their bold “Make the Logo Bigger” campaign, and how the company approaches both brand and B2B marketing.Zach also explains how Canva scaled from a team of five to thousands of employees, the leadership lessons he learned from the founders, and how AI is shaping the next chapter for the business.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/2044861Subscribe to our newsletter, The One Thing:https://newsletter.uncensoredcmo.com/Listen to our new podcast, Uncensored Renegades:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimestamps00:00 - Start00:53 - Being employee #5 at Canva01:46 - The marketing that got Canva noticed at the start03:50 - How big is Canva?04:45 - The challenges growing Canva into a unicorn07:26 - What makes good design according to Canva09:24 - The freemium business model11:46 - Why the Canva founders are giving away 30% of their wealth13:21 - Do Canva invest more in product or brand?14:41 - Canva’s make the logo bigger campaign16:33 - How Canva approaches B2B marketing18:59 - The AI tools that are driving Canva forward22:19 - The most innovative things Zach has done as Canva CMO24:58 - Zach’s tips for delivering a keynote26:59 - Being a CMO scaling from 5 to 5000 employees29:52 - How to run multiple business functions; HR, marketing, customer service31:49 - What Zach has learned from the Canva founders33:32 - How to define the cuture at Canva35:39 - What’s next for Canva?36:35 - What has made Canva so successul?
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Lessons from sh*tty moments (and bosses) [Uncensored Renegades]
Mar 900:31:11Summary readyEvery week, Jon and Kory pull back the curtain on the messy, unfiltered reality of building a career on your own terms. Throughout their long and successful careers, they've had their fair share of sh*tty moments and even sh*ttier bosses. From Kory being literally barked orders at in her first job, to Jon being fired after just 3 months at his dream job. These are the moments that make you question everything. But they're also the moments that shape you. Tune in for the lessons, the laughs, and zero sugarcoating.Get Uncensored Renegades every week:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cWatch the Uncensored CMO episode with James Watt:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOp1CPZ0CNMTimestamps00:00 - Start00:37 - Why sh*tty moments?01:24 - Kory moment #1 - the fire that fuels you04:20 - How to be a good boss05:43 - Jon moment #1 - when to have the hard conversations11:13 - Kory moment #2 - a lesson in de-escalation16:28 - Jon moment #2 - impossible and unreasonable expectations20:59 - Kory moment #3 - be careful of the bridges you burn25:51 - Jon moment #3 - the power of being vulnerable
SummaryLinkedIn CMO on how to grow your profile, what skills are most in demand and B2B marketing strategies - Jessica Jensen
Mar 400:46:47Summary readyJessica Jensen, CMO of LinkedIn, joins us for a high-energy conversation on careers, personal branding, and the future of B2B marketing.We dive into the latest job market data (it might surprise you), the skills employers are actively looking for, and how to grow your personal profile on LinkedIn (which could include posting with flamingo glasses). We also unpack the LinkedIn algorithm, handling negative comments, new features creators and brands should be using, and why B2B marketing absolutely doesn’t have to be boring.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/2044861Subscribe to our newsletter, The One Thing:https://newsletter.uncensoredcmo.com/Listen to our new podcast, Uncensored Renegades:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimestamps00:00 - Intro01:04 - Jessica Jensen’s backstory02:02 - The benefits of being a marketer from a non-marketing background02:42 - The difference between B2B and B2C according to LinkedIn03:38 - How to build high-performing teams06:32 - The data on the job market according to LinkedIn10:02 - What skills are employers looking for?12:04 - How do you build a personal brand on LinkedIn (when working for another company)18:25 - 3 tips for building your personal brand on LinkedIn20:04 - What is going on with the LinkedIn algorithm?21:35 - How to make the most of an ever changing algorithm23:16 - Does LinkedIn suppress posts based on gender?26:14 - How to deal with negative comments on LinkedIn28:00 - What new LinkedIn features should people be using?30:48 - What features can brands use to make the most of LinkedIn32:19 - B2B does not have to be boring35:02 - LinkedIn’s billboards poking fun at AI36:21 - How are LinkedIn marketing LinkedIn?41:12 - How are LinkedIn helping younger people get into work43:28 - Addressing the Open to Work badge stigma44:17 - Advice to creators on LinkedIn
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How innovation succeeds with Kory Marchisotto [Uncensored Renegades]
Mar 200:26:27Summary readyHow are great products created through innovation? Jon and Kory tackle this topic bringing entertaining examples from their careers, including the runaway success of e.l.f.'s Power Grip primer. So what's the key to innovation? Culture, constraints, and most importantly, being close to your customer.Get Uncensored Renegades every week:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimestamps00:00 - Start01:04 - Why innovation is Jon’s favourite marketing topic01:35 - Creating the cultural conditions necessary for innovation04:25 - The measuring stick for innovation06:23 - Why innovation fails08:19 - The innovation of e.l.f.’s Power Grip Primer15:09 - How constraint breeds innovation20:07 - Innovation when you’re close to your customer
SummaryFrom idea to £25m exit - Jimmy's Iced Coffee Founder, Jim Cregan
Feb 2500:48:44Summary readyJim Cregan built Jimmy’s Iced Coffee from scratch, spotting an untapped market, designing a product that stood out, and making its way onto the shelves of Selfridges in just 4 months.In this episode, Jim shares the founding story, the thinking behind Jimmy’s distinctive “BottleCan” packaging, and how personal touches and relentless energy helped build a brand people loved. We also dive into retail strategy, going direct-to-consumer, treating suppliers as humans, and how the £25m exit to Britvic finally came together.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/204486100:00 - Start00:59 - The founding story of Jimmy’s Iced Coffee06:04 - The iced coffee market at the time09:44 - How Jimmy designed and packaged the product12:21 - Why Jimmy’s is in “Cottles” or “BottleCans”19:56 - How Jimmy’s got into Selfridges 4 months after launching20:50 - Hustling their way into Whole Foods and other stores26:58 - How Jimmy’s got a listing in Tesco28:05 - Treating suppliers like humans31:15 - Choosing to go Direct to Consumer in addition to retail32:53 - Adding the personal details that matter34:20 - How Jim marketed Jimmy’s Iced Coffee39:39 - Jim’s advice to aspiring founders41:57 - How the £25m exit to Britvic happened
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What is Marketing? Part 2: Marketing is Poetry with Kory Marchisotto [Uncensored Renegades]
Feb 2300:32:04Summary readyHow do you distil something as complex as marketing into something simple?In this special episode of Uncensored Renegades, Kory delivers a powerful seven-minute poem (originally written as a pattern-disrupting acceptance speech) that captures the emotional weight, pressure, and responsibility of modern marketing leadership.Born from a flash of inspiration at an AC/DC concert, the poem explores the trials of being a CMO, the burden of accountability, and the mental fortitude required to lead.After the performance, Jon reacts candidly, unpacking the themes of ownership, bravery, and the uncomfortable truth that in leadership, pretty much everything is down to you.Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimestamps00:00 - Start00:28 - Why marketing is poetry to Kory02:25 - Where did Kory’s love for poetry start?03:58 - How poetry makes complex things simple04:56 - Why Kory wrote a poem and not an acceptance speech12:29 - Kory Marchisotto’s marketing poem19:43 - Jon reacts to Kory’s poem21:04 - The power of mental fortitude24:34 - Pretty much everything is down to you, and you alone26:45 - You don’t have to have all the answers28:05 - Seek out what you don’t know
SummaryWhy Marketers Don’t Make the Boardroom - Thomas Barta
Feb 1800:38:05Summary readyThomas Barta is one of the world’s leading experts on marketing leadership. A former McKinsey partner, CEO of the Marketing Leadership Institute, and co-author of The 12 Powers of a Marketing Leader, Thomas has studied what makes CMOs successful through the largest global research project of its kind, over 68,000 leadership assessments.In this episode, we explore what CEOs really expect from CMOs, why so few marketers make it to the boardroom, and what needs to change if marketing is to lead growth again. Thomas shares practical tactics for building stronger CFO relationships, acting with more bravery, and avoiding the “safe” behaviours that quietly kill careers. A must-listen for any marketer serious about leadership.Sign up to our live event, The Calling, on April 21st here:https://event.uncensoredcmo.com/events/uncensoredcmo/2044861Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:43 - How Thomas Barta got into marketing02:24 - The surprising thing about marketing at the board level03:52 - What is the CEO looking for a CMO to deliver04:41 - Why are there so few marketers in the boardroom08:38 - What tactics should marketers use to make sure they are delivering growth11:20 - How can CMOs build the relationship with their CFO12:53 - CMO Tenure - is it going up or down?18:59 - What do CMOs need to change?21:13 - Fitting in is the safest way to fail28:11 - The bravery formula29:48 - Why you need to act quickly31:07 - Confessions of a CMO
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How to win a Cannes Lion with Kory Marchisotto [Uncensored Renegades]
Feb 1600:20:35Summary readyWith Cannes Lions deadlines looming, Jon and Kory dive into what it really takes to pitch, and win, at Cannes.We recorded this episode on the final day of Cannes 2025, with Kory in the thick of e.l.f’s "So Many D*cks" campaign submission for both a Glass and Titanium Lion. With the experience fresh in her mind, she breaks down the realities of the process.Jon brings a different perspective, reflecting on his own Bronze and Silver Lion wins from years past, and the hard-earned lessons that came with them.This is an episode of the Uncensored Renegades podcast. We'll only be posting a few more episodes of Renegades on this feed. To hear episodes of this new show, subscribe in your podcast app of choice:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uncensored-renegades/id1868870960Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7qnkqq0XSpgif9A5ZNgSpX?si=f181c3a0e9af480cTimestamps00:00 - Intro00:49 - The pitching process for a Cannes Lion03:14 - The pitch process for a Glass Lion06:51 - The power of the Pratfall Effect08:39 - Pitching for a Titanium Lion10:41 - Jon’s tips from winning his Silver and Bronze Lions12:17 - Audience before content14:14 - How to make your campaign interesting (and not dull)16:25 - How e.l.f. makes their campaigns interesting18:58 - How to hack your campaign; babies or animals
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